Here is what i have gathered from this thread.

Hiroshima = Art

That's a shame.

I must say, the visual power of a nuclear bomb exploding is quite impressive (the force-power as well, obviously).

But I even though Dr. Strangelove ends with a mash-up of different nuke-mushrooms, it's not art to me.

Last night I had a dream that I was reading forums and there was an interview, i scrolled down and question was 'What is the official release date?' and reply started off as 'We finally have a release date, it is' then my alarm clock woke me up. I'm sorry I failed you all, the FPS God gave me a chance at the release date, and my alarm clock owned me, I am disgrace.

A lot can be taken in from that statement.
Big boom, pretty.


But seriously, Hiroshima = inspiration, to me at least.
Thus "Art" is subjective:

Art
–noun
1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.
4. the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture.
5. any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art.
6. (in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story?
7. the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling.
8. the craft or trade using these principles or methods.
9. skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation.
10. a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature.

11. arts,
--a. ( used with a singular verb ) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences.
--b. ( used with a plural verb ) liberal arts.

12. skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature.
13. trickery; cunning: glib and devious art.
14. studied action; artificiality in behavior.
15. an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics.
16. Archaic . science, learning, or scholarship.

- from the http://www.urbandictionary.com/

I think this is a much better description. Even though it totally defeats my earlier arguments.

My take on the whole argument is that as a whole, a video game is not a piece of art anymore then saying a game of football is art (not an art, but art, two different things). But with video games, everything visual in game is art. The models, the textures, the way the placement/use of shaders, lighting, it's all art. To call it anything else is to completely misunderstand the absolute most basic concept of what art is. Something uniquely created to be visually interpreted by someone else. In what regard? That doesn't matter. It's art. But again, looking at a video game as a whole, it is not art (Art is not interactive, it is presented in a static state, or states.). IMO

If you follow the "definition" of modern art, then videogames belong in the louvre. They try to play on people's emotions, they try to pull people into a story, isn't that exactly the same as paintings, sculptures and pictures?
(I rather have games that paintings though xD)
Not to mention the fact that games take way more time and "craftsmanship" to develop than the average modern painting.

If we're going on that logic, then shooting a child in the head is an artistic masterpiece to dwarf the Mona Lisa!

Video games do not belong in the Louvre, just like how books do not belong in the Louvre, they are completely different things from what art is.

The first sentence was obviously exagerated. Ofcourse they don't belong there. I'm just saying that if you strictly follow the definition, then you should consider videogames art. I would like to see what people say about this subject within 40 years.

On the note of shooting kids anyone else annoyed that you can't do it in Fable?

This has gotten a tad off topic btw.

Yeah, I wasn't directly addressing you, just the idea of what you had said. By no means do I consider books, video games, etc, any less in some tangible way to art, I just believe they are in completely different categories. For example, Calculus is not art, yet it is absolutely amazing. I would take calculus over any piece of art ever created-

Well, some of them actually try. Most really don't, though.

You're right, but do you feel any emotion by looking at a random piece of modern art?

I'm not defending videogames as art, just keeping the discussion alive

Of course I don't. Looking at Māori-Art for example usually just confuses me, because their way of portraying stuff is very different to ours (in a way like Japan-o games are very different from "western" games).
But they always have a very certain intention when doing that. Telling an important story of their kinsmen, most often.

It's not like when the next Call of Duty releases in November, it happens because it's one year after the previous Call of Duty.

Once again, the obsession continues.

My desktop background is Brink, my computer's name is Brink, I'm playing Black Ops to get ready for it, my mother knows everything about it, and so do my step-brothers.

Every time I watch an action movie, I think about how my Heavy won't be able to climb this, or that.
Every time I watch an action movie, I think about how I can hurl myself over that obstacle with the SMART system on my Medium just so that throw of the molly looks extra sweet.

Everyone I know personally online asks me for info on Brink, and I just direct them to the mighty H0RSE's work of art. And I find it funny because I tell them every time I don't know everything.


Shiva, Hot Pockets, Doritos, an ash tray large enough to hold 6 packs worth of cigarette butts, and a tall glass of pure H20 until Brink comes out....

Not like much of that will change after release


:mohawk:

What's "Shiva"?

Dang, double post.

Shiva is the/one of the most important Hindu-Gods.

Or an eidolon from the FF games =D

That and its another fun name for Ganja.
Glad you caught that though.

I was asking as he referenced Shiva with his food products.

For example if I said "Wow, that was some delicious potatoes, titan, and steak you made.", would you think titan might be some type of food?

Yeah, the sentence wasn't constructed correctly.


I just edited it and put that in front of it.

How many people here plan on playing it competitively?

ish. I plan on playing a lot with my friends who are a lot better than pub players, and I may join a competitive clan, but just playing hardcoe games gets boring to me.