Are you Pro/Anti Empire?

Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:42 pm

I've personally been on the fence concerning the Empire. On one hand, it's a necessary evil, but on the other the implementation of it is not doing too well, especially in its current incarnation. However, we're more likely to see the fall of the Empire than the revision of it.
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Jennie Skeletons
 
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:43 am

I think you're a little bit late . . . a full 200 years late.

I still need to destroy whats left of his legacy, to be complete.
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kyle pinchen
 
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:02 pm

Anti, duh. They put me in jail for goodness sake!



ohh so many times and every time they say:

"get out we need your help harhar" >:(

good thing the game is 200 years after the fall of the empire I would just love to be the one to strike the final blow and send it packing to the history books.
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Kristian Perez
 
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:53 pm

I still need to destroy whats left of his legacy, to be complete.



then you shall have an Altmer mage by your side all the way
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Davorah Katz
 
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:51 pm

My first character will be a Nord and he will have very Nordic values (Anti Empire). My second character will be an Orc or an Argonian, depending on how good the Argonians look this time around. He will be an Imperialist.
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Skrapp Stephens
 
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:08 am

i am pro however if you look at the current situation i dont think there will be much of an empire precense at the start of the game. this is why:

empire has crumbled (no emporer)
Nords are anti
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:58 pm

If I were to choose, I'd say anti, though I don't dislike the empire, just the religion.
Blessings of Anu upon you - pffff that guy's like dead and likes it.
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Alan Cutler
 
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:56 am

No particular opinion on the empire.... :shrug:
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:14 am

You don't know that the Ashlanders wouldn't cultivate ambitions of conquest. Just because they don't have the power doesn't mean they wouldn't. Dagoth Ur CERTAINLY would've conquered all of Tamriel itself were it not for the intervention of the Empire. And the Great Houses of Morrowind, if given the power, would likely have done the same.

What's the difference between the Empire and the rest? The Tribunal stole divine power and persecute those who know the truth. The Great Houses are corrupt, support slavery and have nothing but hatred for non Dunmer. The Sixth House is insane, monstrous and certainly evil. And the Ashlanders, while perhaps the best of all of them, recognize the outside world but choose not to adapt to it. The world isn't going to grind to a halt for them.

Lets take your example for a moment. Why is that unacceptable? Shouldn't that be HIS choice? And the Nine are not false, even the Ashlanders recognize this. They just do not think them worthy of worship. If any gods are false, its the Tribunal. And yes, perhaps so much change constitutes a change of identity, but like I said, that's his choice.

Now let's take other examples. Look at the city of Tel Vos, and its Telvanni leader, Master Aryon. He is a very open minded individual, and that's saying something for a member of a Great House other than Hlaalu. And yet he retains the traditional style of Telvanni architecture with Imperial indulgence. That right there is your proof.

How exactly does this warrant years of warring and an aggressive cultural agenda? Why does the Empire feel it has any business on an volcanic island with a few tribes that just want to be left alone? Of course, you would be happy if we gave up our pride, because while you assimilate our culture you're thinking about our money and natural resources.
You know as well that the Ashland people are happy enough to stay out of major international affairs. Whatever the politics of the great houses may be, I don't see why they can't solve their own issues and they need a foreign eye watching over them and criticizing practices that have been quite normal to Dunmer culture since time immemorial.
That wouldn't be anyone's choice. It's typical how a foreigner fails to see the peculiarities of a tribal society. Here on Vvardenfell people don't suddenly start wearing purple when the clan's colour is blue, just because they feel like it. You're talking like an individual has the right to be completely free in its own actions. Have you never wondered whether this is true all over Nirn and whether this other tradition has the right to exist too? Here people see the benefit of respecting their family and ancestors and they gain favour by respecting their traditions, rather than betraying them. We [I can't help it xD] know very well how to deal with things on our island, so please go home and be smug about your own beliefs where everyone willingly accepts and respects them.
It's typical you think of our gods that way. Of course we stay loyal to our gods and even if we see parallel developments, I don't see why should suddenly feel like we're one big family and abandon them.
It's interesting you name that betrayer. Never wondered why out of all people he picked an outlander to further his personal agenda? It's shameful how people were allowed once again to meddle in affairs that aren't theirs to worry about. He was so respected with his imperialist preferences that he got cornered rather quickly enough. That's proof of a man who betrayed and abandoned his own.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:06 am

Down with imperialist aggression!

Viva la Revolucion!
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:07 am

I'm not anti empire, but I'm not much for it either. I thought Tamriel's empire was too imperialistic (notice practically all Imperial Legion officers were imperial male). I usually play a character that finds their own path anyway.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:30 am

I'm usually Argonian, so yeah I'm anti :D
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:28 pm

The Empire is wear my loyalties lie. Die for your Emperor! I love the Legion.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:27 am

post='17770891'et you still had this in Morrowind though. And Morrowind, while very independant in regards to other provinces, was still conquered by the Empire


This is why I am anti empire. Any faction that forces groups or individuals to concede they're rights and join something they are not in support of is evil imo.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:59 pm

How exactly does this warrant years of warring and an aggressive cultural agenda? Why does the Empire feel it has any business on an volcanic island with a few tribes that just want to be left alone? Of course, you would be happy if we gave up our pride, because while you assimilate our culture you're thinking about our money and natural resources.
You know as well that the Ashland people are happy enough to stay out of major international affairs. Whatever the politics of the great houses may be, I don't see why they can't solve their own issues and they need a foreign eye watching over them and criticizing practices that have been quite normal to Dunmer culture since time immemorial.
That wouldn't be anyone's choice. It's typical how a foreigner fails to see the peculiarities of a tribal society. Here on Vvardenfell people don't suddenly start wearing purple when the clan's colour is blue, just because they feel like it. You're talking like an individual has the right to be completely free in its own actions. Have you never wondered whether this is true all over Nirn and whether this other tradition has the right to exist too? Here people see the benefit of respecting their family and ancestors and they gain favour by respecting their traditions, rather than betraying them. We [I can't help it xD] know very well how to deal with things on our island, so please go home and be smug about your own beliefs where everyone willingly accepts and respects them.
It's typical you think of our gods that way. Of course we stay loyal to our gods and even if we see parallel developments, I don't see why should suddenly feel like we're one big family and abandon them.
It's interesting you name that betrayer. Never wondered why out of all people he picked an outlander to further his personal agenda? It's shameful how people were allowed once again to meddle in affairs that aren't theirs to worry about. He was so respected with his imperialist preferences that he got cornered rather quickly enough. That's proof of a man who betrayed and abandoned his own.


Because only the Empire, the combined might of Tamriel, has a chance of repelling future invaders like the Akavir, the Aldmeri Dominion, the Sload of Thras, or any other threats that loom over the horizon. Can you honestly say that the Ashlanders have such a chance alone? You keep expressing this isolationist rhetoric, yet it was the actions of the Empire, sending a prisoner to Vvardenfell to fulfill the prophecies of the Nerevarine, that saved your island. And it was the actions of brave soldiers of the Imperial Legion who shut down the Oblivion gates that spawned all over Tamriel, and that includes Morrowind. Sometimes people need help, whether they want it or not. Aryon was no traitor either, he simply saw that the Telvanni needed better. An insane necromancer certainly does not make a capable leader, and the others were simply interesting in slavery or artifacts, and too stubborn to accept outside help.

As for free will, and the ability to deal with matters of your own (already proven you CANT handle these matters on your own), I don't challenge ancestor worship, that's your choice. But you cannot deny the power of free action, it is inherent in every individual. And actions like slavery, which even the Ashlanders practice, shall be stopped. If they want to worship the Ancestors or Tribunal, that's fine.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:28 am

Because only the Empire, the combined might of Tamriel, has a chance of repelling future invaders like the Akavir, the Aldmeri Dominion, the Sload of Thras, or any other threats that loom over the horizon. Can you honestly say that the Ashlanders have such a chance alone? You keep expressing this isolationist rhetoric, yet it was the actions of the Empire, sending a prisoner to Vvardenfell to fulfill the prophecies of the Nerevarine, that saved your island. And it was the actions of brave soldiers of the Imperial Legion who shut down the Oblivion gates that spawned all over Tamriel, and that includes Morrowind. Sometimes people need help, whether they want it or not. Aryon was no traitor either, he simply saw that the Telvanni needed better. An insane necromancer certainly does not make a capable leader, and the others were simply interesting in slavery or artifacts, and too stubborn to accept outside help.

As for free will, and the ability to deal with matters of your own (already proven you CANT handle these matters on your own), I don't challenge ancestor worship, that's your choice. But you cannot deny the power of free action, it is inherent in every individual. And actions like slavery, which even the Ashlanders practice, shall be stopped. If they want to worship the Ancestors or Tribunal, that's fine.


Couldn't have put it better myself.

@ Krigaren eg ikkje kjende, are you roleplaying or are you just overusing the first person?
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:48 am

Couldn't have put it better myself.

@ Krigaren eg ikkje kjende, are you roleplaying or are you just overusing the first person?


Unless you really prefer to believe I'm an Ashland Dunmer with tribal tattoos on his face and white-chalked, spiky hair, I'm obviously RPing. Hence why I put these remarks between square brackets about as often as I can. Otherwise go ahead and ask me all the stuff you ever wanted to ask a Dunmer if you could. I'll be sincere in my answers. You fetcher! xD
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:33 pm

I'm Pro-Empire mostly because the whole heroic rebels thing is just too cheesy and overdone. Same reason I wanted the Empire to succeed in all the Star Wars films. Also the Empire are clearly a benevolent society. Its not like they abandoned Tamriel during the Oblivion crisis, they stayed in the provinces even when all that was available in Cyrodiil was the town guards.
Its true that Daedra are far more interesting than the Nine but the Empire and Daedra worship aren't incompatible.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:16 pm

Down with imperialist aggression!

Viva la Revolucion!



?Viva la Revolución!
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:51 pm

it was bound to fail and if it tries to reform itl only meet with failure again and more turmoil in tamriel so im against the empire
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:12 pm

For me, I am pro Empire. The Blades have served as some of the greatest heroes throughout the 3rd Age, helping to restore order to Daggerfall, saving Vvardenfell/Morrowind thrice from the plots of gods, and saving Tamriel itself from utter destruction! The Imperial Legion had a sense of unity, unlike the Fighters Guilds. There was a strong sense of code and loyalty, not just armed mercenaries whose loyalty was based on coin.


If I recall correctly, most of that saving was done by the player. The empire, or lack thereof wouldn't effect this. The small factions could still help the player in stopping whatever evil threatens the land. I think smaller warring factions would be better, mostly because it allows the players to pick sides and experience the war. The game would be worse if there was one powerful faction, and then the creatures and whatnot.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:13 pm

I hope every single faction, no matter how small it is, is joinable.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:27 pm

This is why I am anti empire. Any faction that forces groups or individuals to concede they're rights and join something they are not in support of is evil imo.

Yeah, I hate when I'm forced to free my slaves, I captured those beastfolk fair and square and it's my ancient right as a Dunmer to own them. /sarcasm
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:08 pm

Yeah, I hate when I'm forced to free my slaves, I captured those beastfolk fair and square and it's my ancient right as a Dunmer to own them. /sarcasm


To be fair, it's understandable that our presence is undesired. Yet some 'traditions' must be abolished. Everyone believes the Empire will simply destroy all forms of diversity, but that is not so. The Empire is, to me, the best of all nations whilst removing the worst
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:41 pm

If I recall correctly, most of that saving was done by the player. The empire, or lack thereof wouldn't effect this. The small factions could still help the player in stopping whatever evil threatens the land. I think smaller warring factions would be better, mostly because it allows the players to pick sides and experience the war. The game would be worse if there was one powerful faction, and then the creatures and whatnot.


The Player in Daggerfall was an agent of the Blades. The Player in Morrowind was sent to Morrowind by the Emperor and inducted into the Blades. The Player in Oblivion was able to escape the Imperial Prison with the Blades, helped them find the heir, and joined the Blades.
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