Last time I check the only game that did not glorify the empire was redguard. hopefully with Skyrim taking place after the empire's fall we will find more reason to despise the empire.

You make for a great debater! I'm enjoying the good arguments here.

Conquest isn't always achieved in war. It certainly is the most common, but sometimes deals can be made. Morrowind and Hammerfell both negotiated rights for their countries in diplomacy, although it was after battle.

Imperial presence does have an effect, but not always. The presence in Vvardenfell was only pronounced in certain towns. Other cities seem relatively unaffected. And even considering the other cities, the blending of cultures is not bad. That is what cosmopolitanism is! It helps to share ideas and inventions, and in the end both sides come out stronger!

Finally, the right of rule for Tamriel can be best argued in the Emperor. Uriel Septim VII had the vision of the dragon born, which allowed him to see beyond others, and he could comprehend and judge better than others. It was he who sent the Imperial Agent to Vvardenfell to save Morrowind from Dagoth Ur, and it was he whom sent the Prisoner with the Amulet of Kings to the Blades to save Tamriel.

The Ashlanders know pretty well how to mind their own business without anyone lecturing them so the imperial(ist)s should keep to their own too. I don't see why they have any business there if it's just for some jabbering they could live without.

Oh did I already tell: vividly anti. xD

Perhaps. Yes, I'll have to concede to that. Tiber Septim certainly was a mixed bag, with his misuse of the Numidium.

Still, Tamriel was made better because of his rule. I'll leave his other various actions for wiser men to judge



People do change their minds though. Read the Invocation of Azura for an example. A dark elf priestess changed her allegiance to Daedric Princes no less than 3 times

Morrowind... Empire tried to take over and pretty much take out the "old religions" and what not evil things you can do when you try to take over a land.


Im for and against the empire. Im against the empire because they tend to get power hungry. For because everybody is pretty much equal.

fn double post.

No empire...

FREEEEEEEEDOMMMM!!!

We would vote Neutral, but there is no option to do so.

Our avatars typically either live outside the law (thieves/wilderness-types), live outside the realm for various reasons (the physics experiment gone wrong/planar banishment), or live outside their right minds. Or any combination thereof.

We could not care less should the Empire rise or fall. Either way, there will be conflict, and it will entertain us... for a time.

The Empire recognized the divinity of the Tribunal though. As I've said, the Empire hasn't decided to burn down temples, nor should it

As for power, Uriel Septim VII gave me the impression of a rather humble man. There was no reason to feign that humility, not to an unknown prisoner.

Remember that barging in and enforcing laws is pretty much what every country in the real world has done. England, France, Denmark, Spain to name a few.

Anyhail, I guess I am pro-Empire. Why? Because I'm nostalgia, I'll always think fondly of the four games where you worked in the Empire, not outside it.

But, it all depends on Titus Mede and Co. etc. If his line (another line?) managed to screw it all up.

Haha, likewise, you're making me torn between the two now.

The idea of cosmopolitanism is good, but that can happen without one party taking over another all together. Trading, traveling, open borders will all contribute to this.

As for Imperial presence, it was mild which is good, but hadnt they just arrived in Morrowind when we played the game? Their influence would likely spread exponentially as time went on I would think.

On one hand I like the separation of provinces and independent rule.
But on the other, if not the Empire, another party would want to achieve what they are aiming for, and they would probably not have the same sense of law, order and good intention that the Empire has.
Hm, though just because things could be worse and some party with less good intentions (than the Empire) were to aim for rule, doesnt mean that it would happen, or that the provinces couldnt make alliances to subdue said party.

So while I did question, why the Empire, if I were to pick who were to rule, it would be them for their good intentions and no so forceful presence. This is a crazy topic lol.

The reason why it feels crazy is because it's largely political. It's forcing you to make moral and ethical decisions on a macro level. That is what a just leader does.

And you're right, other powers have already claimed Valenwood, Summerset, Morrowind, and others. A large majority of Hist affected Argonians devastated Morrowind. Vvardenfell is now a wasteland, certainly not the intention of the Empire

Valenwood and Summerset were conquered by the revival of the Thalmor. Nothing is known yet of this political organization

I'll wait until I see what the pro-Imperial and anti-Imperial factions in Skyrim are like before I decide which I side with.

Bull.

Care to elaborate? I;d like to know what happened

I completely forgot about what happened to Vvardenfell (never read the book), perfect example of another party taking over. I'd take the Empire over Hist crazy Argonians any day.

Anti.

I don't like the negative connotations associated with "Empire".

From what I understand, the empire is in decline. Perhaps it would be best for SR to forge out on it's own?

Rebellion sounds very cool, exciting and romantic.

Taken from UESP

one power invading and forcing everyone else to live by their standards? no thank

Yet I don't see why this would allow imperialists to spread their influence and own culture in the Ashlands. The example you're giving still fits perfectly within the culture as far as I know.

I'm pro-whoever-pays-more.

Changing loyalty to gods isn't a universal phenomenon? All the missionaries did was going to these places with books and kind words, not swords and torches. The reaction from the Ashlanders by contrast wasn't called for

Anti because rebellion always makes more interesting plots.

i'm not Joining The Empire they got too much power and i don't want them to be the boss
so i join The Rebels

I wouldn't agree that converting to imperialist faith is the same as changing favour between gods in another polytheist system as is that on Vvardenfell with the daedric gods.
For the reaction, that's just one of the things you deserve to get when you trifle with Ashlanders and tell them their own beliefs are bull and something from down South will bring truth.

Pro-Empire.

Keep those slaving Dunmer in line.