Are you Pro/Anti Empire? : V - Skyrim

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:31 pm

Pro. I liked their presence in Morrowind, even though I was often against them. I just like them, even as an adversary.

So in Skyrim I would probably support them. Not that it makes much sense, my reasoning...

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:12 am

Pro/Anti doesnt matter to me who wins in the end.
I leave this petty squable to the people.
I'mt in the business of killing dragons, and business is booming.

Though so far in all the games I'm pro-empire, with Talos being my favorite god and whatnot

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:10 am

Neither.

Some of my characters are pro-empire, some are anti-empire, many are pretty much neutral on the issue. Some have grown to appreciate it more over time, others less. One in particular went from extremely pro-empire to neutral at best, if not a bit anti-empire. And so on......

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:14 pm

Can't vote. Will need to see who's leadership in the province is the most arrogant, dismissive, dishonest, and self serving, before I help out the other side.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:42 pm

Anti, duh. They put me in jail for goodness sake!

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:05 am

Anti they are ruled by fascists,anyone who opposes them they destroy and they hold no respect for the "beast" races.

How is the empire fascist?

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:18 am

The Imperial guards [censored] and tortured my character (Vedaa) prior to her arrival on Vvardenfell. So no, I'm against the Empire. (This happened in my fanfic). But then they did pay her lots of money for her spell crafting later on in life. So maybe I'm for them.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:13 am

Pro-Empire, of course.

Without the Empire to uphold order, there would be chaos. The beast races would be enslaved without end, warlords and rogue wizards would fight for power and leave destruction in their wake, and with all the civil wars and conflicts Tamriel would be completely unable to defend against an invasion from Akaviri or Oblivion.

The only thing better than the Empire would be a completely democratic Tamrielic Republic, where all provinces melt together into an alliance where the Imperials are standing no higher than a Khajiit or a Bosmer. Where all the races are equals. Where the Elder Council and it's High Chancellor replace the Emperor as the ruling body over Tamriel.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:27 pm

I'm against it for a few reasons, though I like it for a few too.

Anti-empire

1st, without the empire the different cities and villages will be more unique with different laws and guards

2nd, it creates controvesy more diplomatic events must take place between cities and towns and we could be a part of it.

3rd, small wars can break out giving us more roles to play choices to make and tide turning events to take place in.

4th, there might be a town that makes and sells skooma legally.

5th, Diversity, having a rouges town, a mages paradise, a warriors small kingdom, and some mixed...ect

6th, racism would be more expected and acceptable, you might have some people who hate you for being what you are, which means you might be able to use some magic or alchemy to transform adding more to the ability to role play.

Pro-empire
All the reasons already stated by others for the most part.

Pro-Empire, of course.

Without the Empire to uphold order, there would be chaos. The beast races would be enslaved without end, warlords and rogue wizards would fight for power and leave destruction in their wake, and with all the civil wars and conflicts Tamriel would be completely unable to defend against an invasion from Akaviri or Oblivion.

The only thing better than the Empire would be a completely democratic Tamrielic Republic, where all provinces melt together into an alliance where the Imperials are standing no higher than a Khajiit or a Bosmer. Where all the races are equals. Where the Elder Council and it's High Chancellor replace the Emperor as the ruling body over Tamriel.

For the reasons above, chaos is a good thing.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:12 am

Anti, since I personally am from the colony of one...

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:20 am

What about you?

I'm playing with a backstory for an Imperial Legionnaire stationed in Skyrim who's "gone native" and is now anti-empire.

The backstory for my planned main character is that of a Dunmer Redoran House Cousin who's been alive since the days of the Nerravarine. He's watched the devastation of the Dunmer people and is decidedly anti-empire.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:06 am

For the reasons above, chaos is a good thing.

Gameplay wise, perhaps. In other aspects, no. Whoever posted the Tamrielic Republic has my respect

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:06 am

Pro, My Bosmer is probably going to be shunned by the Nord population, who would largely be involved in the Anti-Empire movement.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:32 am

Correct, they shouldn't for they don't have the right to do so. The Ashlands will be fine without any "special" knowledge. It's easy to see how you're the bringer of truth when you know the money of the provinces is flowing out of them straight into imperialist pockets. Believe what you want while you're in that City, but it gets problematic the instance you decide believing it yourself doesn't suffice anymore and you must push it down our throats as if our values aren't true enough. The Ashlands have no desire of sending an army out of the wastes to force their customs on you imperialists unlike yourselves!
Once again, truth can be quite relative. There are many things we cannot see or do not understand because we only look at it one way and we think it's the only and right way so far, so much better than the different types of perception that may have been or are still existant on Nirn.
I can't see how the Dunmer who came too much into contact with the imperialists kept their own identity. They became a league of their own, a whole house turned away and all so they could share in imperialist riches, allowed them to build forts, shrines and other foreign buildings that never belonged, but the Ashlanders know there are greater and less shallow things in life. I experienced myself [out of debate: in case you didn't know, I'm trying to debate in persona here xD massive lulz] as a Dunmer how they would call me N'wah for carrying that bit of imperialist flavour in the way I looked, walked and spoke and I never even liked them outlanders. How can you call a Dunmer swimming in septims, wearing Cyrodiilic linen, speaking foreign tongues, praying to false gods still a true Vvardenfellic tribesman? This is unacceptable.

You don't know that the Ashlanders wouldn't cultivate ambitions of conquest. Just because they don't have the power doesn't mean they wouldn't. Dagoth Ur CERTAINLY would've conquered all of Tamriel itself were it not for the intervention of the Empire. And the Great Houses of Morrowind, if given the power, would likely have done the same.

What's the difference between the Empire and the rest? The Tribunal stole divine power and persecute those who know the truth. The Great Houses are corrupt, support slavery and have nothing but hatred for non Dunmer. The Sixth House is insane, monstrous and certainly evil. And the Ashlanders, while perhaps the best of all of them, recognize the outside world but choose not to adapt to it. The world isn't going to grind to a halt for them.

Lets take your example for a moment. Why is that unacceptable? Shouldn't that be HIS choice? And the Nine are not false, even the Ashlanders recognize this. They just do not think them worthy of worship. If any gods are false, its the Tribunal. And yes, perhaps so much change constitutes a change of identity, but like I said, that's his choice.

Now let's take other examples. Look at the city of Tel Vos, and its Telvanni leader, Master Aryon. He is a very open minded individual, and that's saying something for a member of a Great House other than Hlaalu. And yet he retains the traditional style of Telvanni architecture with Imperial indulgence. That right there is your proof.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:36 am

pro, you said it perfectly

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:14 am

pro, you said it perfectly

Really? Thanks!

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:59 am

I am pro-Empire because I always think unity is a good thing. "A house divided..." so they say. Yet my opinion can easily change if Skyrim does anything to plainly tarnish the Empire's image. The Empire was good, but that may no longer be the case considering that this is no longer the same Empire. The Septims were one thing, Titus Mede and his offspring are another matter entirely.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:45 am

I am pro-Empire because I always think unity is a good thing. "A house divided..." so they say. Yet my opinion can easily change if Skyrim does anything to plainly tarnish the Empire's image. The Empire was good, but that may no longer be the case considering that this is no longer the same Empire. The Septims were one thing, Titus Mede and his offspring are another matter entirely.

Yeah, I do not approve of Titus Mede and his "succession". If the Empire turns out to be a shamble of its former self, then I might have to fight against it.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:45 am

this feels like lore but it is still a good poll

well I don't know I am sure some people might feel less isolated after they come because freedom of trade will improve
in MW you could join factions that are not related to them very much

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:14 am

In real life I am a republican (not the US of A way btw, the European Way) ...

But in the game it really depends on the character I am roleplaying.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:25 pm

I have to say pro. Banning of slavery, skooma, having guilds and other things make it great.

However the situation in Morrowind wasn't that good. :sadvaultboy:

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:12 am

I have to say pro. Banning of slavery, skooma, having guilds and other things make it great.

However the situation in Morrowind wasn't that good. :sadvaultboy:

yea that one IL quest where you had some trouble with the ordinators

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:08 pm

I have to say pro. Banning of slavery, skooma, having guilds and other things make it great.

However the situation in Morrowind wasn't that good. :sadvaultboy:

Abolition is a huge reason why I support the Empire. 200 years later, I can only imagine the pain and terror the Aldmeri Dominion will unleash upon the other races.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:29 am

Difficult to say if I'd be pro- or anti-Empire without knowing what the Empire's like. There's not too much info on what the Empire's like post-Oblivion (other than it being in shambles, and Mede barely being able to hold Cyrodiil together). And of what we do know, it's 160 years before Skyrim takes place... we don't even know if the Medes are still around, or if someone else managed to snatch the throne, and what they're all like.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:45 am

Hard to say for certain yet, so much may have happened in 200 years. The Empire may have turned corrupt, and we aren't even sure what Esbern thinks about the Empire yet.

Probably anti-Empire. It's likely the side where the Argonians are.