Gamers can be such children. Just take their big yellow dump truck and go home if everything isn't to their liking. Give me a break. I couldn't care less about fewer armor choices. The game is what's important.

P.S.: Don't call this a comeback. I have an actual life. Keep up the outstanding work, Bethesda.

To be honest, I like that they reduced the armor.

I think for one there will be more individual sets of armor than in either Morrowind or Oblivion in Skyrim. So, not being able to cobble together a set from various sources won't be as big a deal. Also doing the armor sets as one solid piece allows for them to be optimized much more in terms of polycount and animation, which in turn imroves how the game runs.

The only thing I don't like about reducing the ammount of pieces is that it turns into a sort of "all or nothing" situation with the super rare armor sets. I love how Deadric armor was handled in Morrowind, where it was incredibly rare and very difficult to get a full set for your character. You had to really explore every last nook of the game to find the whole set. In Oblivion on the other hand Daedric armor dropped like candy all around the world when you got to level 30ish, so it lost all its meaning. I don't know how they will handle rare sets of armor in Skyrim, but I hope its not going to be you stumbling across a deadric armor one day and then that's just it, you found the best set, all other armor is now uninteresting.

I came on these forums to learn a little bit more on what looks to be a really good game.

The problem is I have to sift through endless posts of people crying and whining about a game that will probably end up being the best of the year. Stop crying! There is no such thing as a perfect game because everyone has different tastes. Deal with it you brats! If you don't like it use your imagination and roleplay the old fashioned way with dice, paper and your brain!

The annoying thing is that these fans don't take into account that these negatives are made up for by positives. From what I know fans have always wanted smithing to customise their armour and yet they just ignore this and quite frankly whine about how the series has been butchered since Morrowind. I never thought it that amazing to run around in mismatched armour and if this a deal breaker to any of you then fine but your the ones missing out.

I am still buying Skyrim and I think the ones who say they aren't are lying unless they really hated Oblivion.

Well I must say, your a bright example of that then. Obsidian made fallout new vegas, not Bethesda. I rest my case.

I can see what you mean though, alot of people don't know what they are talking about :goodjob:

Because it's indicative of an overall trend of less less less.

What if they got rid of helmets? It's just one kind of armor, and they hide your characters face anyway. Or what about axes? We already have swords and maces, axes are just kind of a silly sword-mace-thing.

If they got rid of Stealth, they could focus on Combat and Magic and make them both even MORE awesome!

I totally wasn't being sarcastic or anything.

I suspect this will be a repeat of the Sims 3 fiasco for me--I knew the face making was messed up, but bought it anyway because of many of the other features I wanted--played it for 2 months, realized then that the limited face making and genetics was a game breaker for me, and went back to Sims 2. I will probably buy Skyrim because otherwise it sounds like an awsome game, but may very well find the armour slots issue to be game breaking.

I'm still horribly pissed about a few things, but nothing will stop me from buying it.

no. what is stupid is sticking to a brand just because of the name. with all the news that makes skyrim even more dumbed down from oblivion than oblivion itself was from morrowind, it is justifiable not to buy the game. it is much more stupid to buy it because you liked previous game. its just like people who buy all new iterations of call of duty or the new cool ipod

I will be buying this game no matter what.

If greaves being out were the only thing, I wouldnt care (much).
But its: Some skills and spell effects, spellmaking, attributes, classes, birthsigns, armour slots, and not removing quest and map markers.
And how knows what else that I cant remember right now.
A whole lot of removal. And at a certain point its just too much.

And yeah, Oblivion was a rather horrible game only made playable by the extensive modding community.

i knew i was going to buy it as soon as i saw it on the screen in december regardless of what happens in between then and the 11th

Of course. I even think the devs may have made a good "trade".

My guess is that Cuirass and Greaves have been combined to make it easier to prevent clipping/modeling issues caused by the new different character body types. I'd gladly take one less armor slot for more character customizability, and different looking NPCs and races.

I don't think the game is dumbing down. Infact its more customisable and free in my own opinion by the fact you don't need to follow the path you set yourself at the start, its more realistic to be able to change and become better at things you do more often. Its not dumbing down but more coming off a more spreadsheet type of gameplay.

Yes. Doesn't bother me.

what are your thoughts on this? http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1202063-are-we-seeing-a-huge-dumbing-down-of-the-game/ yeah i know its locked now

Until we learn more about smithing and the potential there for armor customization, I wouldn't freak out about this.

If it was simply OB-style armor with the greaves and cuirass combined, then yes, that would clearly be dumbing down and another unsettling trend in a game that is already looking to be a little too streamlined for the casual gamer. However, if we can make meaningful changes to armor via smithing, which some of the pics seem to indicate given the variation we've seen in pauldrons, etc., then things may not be as bleak as they appear.

What seems to happen is that a lot of people set their expectations at perfection and are disappointed when the game just isn't. Set your expectations at 'better than the previous game' and you won't be disappointed, I can assure you.

I generally have trust in Bethesda to make a good game because I love all their previous ones but I understand that if you thought Oblivion was bad you might not buy Skyrim. Only thing on that list which annoys me is quest and map markers.

I totally agree with this and also I think people find more things are missing at first as people ask whats going to still be in the game more than is this "guess" in the game. So much stuff left untouched.

I'm still pissed off that we're getting less armor slots instead of more. I want more enchanting freedom, and this is taking away a huge part of my experience. Of course this won't stop me from getting the game. It's a whole new province to explore! For that reason alone I'm willing to get every elder scrolls game and explore every nook and cranny in Tamriel.

Seriously 23 people? This isn't a barbie doll game. You can live with 1 less armor slot.

So far I'm still getting Skyrim at release, but I'm on the fence about it. A lot of what I've been hearing isn't good, a lot less customization options which is a big part to me in TES. We'll see when more information is released.

The Merged Armor issue is minor for me . . . many of the the other things about Skyrim have made me decide not to pre-order the game.

The E3 demo reinforced my previous concerns . . . and I was really hoping that wouldn't happen. I'm nearly certain that the main focus in creating Skyrim has been on combat, and on streamlining the rest of the game around combat . . . where every player will be a warrior/mage/thief . . . with no character limitations. That's a HUGE issue for me. And the presence of Oblivion's Fast Travel, and of the Fast Level (along with the rapid skill advancing Perk rewards) leads me to believe that the game is more focused on fast paced gameplay than on in-depth gameplay.

I'm seriously bummed. And I have considered sitting out this TES release, as it is now pretty clear that this is not the TES-V I have been waiting for (just like Oblivion wasn't the TES-IV that I felt it should have been).

But I'm probably still going to buy it . . . but only because I now know how to mod. If I feel that I can fix the game enough . . . AND the end result will be worth the hours and hours of work that this will involve . . . I'll likely buy the game. But I may wait until it drops in price.

If I do end up buying it, I'll mod the heck of out it, and eventually I hope to end up playing my own version of Skyrim, that will be more of the RPG that I had hoped the released version would have been.