I waslooking at some timelines and can see that its only been 40 years between TES: Arena and TES4: Oblivion, so why isnt there anything about what happened being talked about? just forty years ago Jagar Tharn had stolen the throne, you'd think with the sudden crisis this would have been brought up, like rumors and so forth. Maybe people talking about how the hero from Arena could stop this.

But there is nothing, the only link Ive seen is the load screen at the start the says its been 40 years since anyone has escaped from the imperial dungeons. I mean what the hell? Have they all forgotten? Does the kidnap of an emporer not mean anything? Its not lke it happened in some far off land, it happened right there in the Imperial city.


Anyway, what are your thoughts on it?

Oblivion left out allot of things. Though after 40 years, I don't think people should still be talking about Arena as if nothing else happened more recently. Morrowind mentioned political troubles in Cyrodiil but those seems to have vanished as well.

In morrowind there were rumors that the emporers sons were really imposters placed by Jagar Tharn, but otherwise not really any mention outside of the history books.

heey, we are still talking about the first and second world war right? and that's almost 60 years ago...
You are quite right actually...

But in the Black Horse Courier there is a edition talking about the life off the emperor also talking about the troubled time...

I also think it's strange that there is almost no talking about the Warp of the West.. I mean.. hello... Time twisted and many higher lords got the totem to control Numidian... that's quite something if you ask me...

(Keep in mind time in Tamriel is 1/20th our time, as evidenced by how one minute in game = 3 seconds our time or something like that. So it's been 2 of our years. )

(No, that wasn't serious.)

I'm pretty sure one minute in-game (our time) is equal to 30 minutes in Oblivion (game-time) by default. That's one of the reasons why I always like to turn that setting down. It makes the world seem more real (to me) when the NPC's have more time to perform actions.

EDIT: If you want to change that setting, click http://elderoblivion.blogspot.com/2006/04/how-to-change-passage-of-time-in.html for instructions. And yes, I know you weren't serious.

Yes, but you think someone'd notice. Also, the Neveraine should still be walking around, along with the guy who saved Tamriel from Jagar Tharn. My my my, what a lore head-ache :facepalm:

Damn, I wish Earth had tons of heroes within 40 years.

You do hear a rumor in Oblivion that the Neravarine went on an expedition to Akavir and has not been heard from since. You also hear that the Daedra came and "took" Vivec or something similar.......And that the Telvanni are helping to close Oblivion Gates in Morrowind, and that the Redorans have been all but wiped out by Nord mercenaries. (Can't remember all the specific details but thats the gist iirc.)

There are also a lot of in game books that still speak of the events of the Warp.

not really i mean the average life span of a human in a time period with the level of tech as in this time in Nirn would probably not live longer then 40 years and that would be pretty old factor in a life time of adventure and battle well you get the picture

People of Tamriel are a stoic lot. Not much excites them, it will take a Landfall really to shuffle their feathers.

Rumor has it that the Nerevarinev has left Morrowind on an expedition to Akavir and has not been heard from since, that's likely Bethesda's way of writing him out so that what the Nerevarine is doing doesn't need to be addressed. As for the Arena guy, who knows? If he yet lives, though, he would probably have retired from adventuring after 40 years.



That is, assuming that the average lifespan of a human in the Elder Scrolls world is the same as what it would be in an era of comparable technological advancement, which is flawed as Tamriel doesn't take place on Earth, instead, it takes place in a world where magic is common place, and where, if gameplay is any indication, most diseases can be cured fairly easily and wounds quickly healed with spells and potions, so maybe humans live longer in that world than they did in the real world time period it resembles. You also seem to forget the fact that not everyone in Tamriel is human, Dunmer and Altmer, and possibly Bosmer as well, can live much longer than real humans, and many you meet in the game were certainly around during the time of Arena.



You'd actually expect that to be the case, given how often sinister plots that threaten the peace of Tamriel seem to happen, though given that people in Oblivion seen to consider mudcrabs a pretty important thing to discuss, one would almost be led to think that there weren't any events that could bring about the end of the world as we know it going on at all.

The Arena Champion could have died for all we know, or he could be the Neravarine as WELL as the COC as well as the Daggerfall guy if you RP it.

The agent of Daggerfall was actually killed by Numindium, as EVERY ending of daggerfall happened at once when the dragon broke.

EDIT: As well, in Oblivion the Emperor would have recognised you instantly if you were the Agent of Daggerfall, as in the intro you're one of his most trusted Blades and (as he put it) friends.

Well, the emperor was getting old, so there is a chance he just forgets things

Do things that happened 40 years ago in other countries affect you?

There have been various coups and rebellions and wars going on for decades in other countries, with "heroes" becoming new military or government leaders, but chances are wherever you live it's not that big a deal for you.

Same with TES. So you're in Cyrodil and there's some trouble in Morrowind, big deal! An Oblivion gate just opened outside your city, who cares where the Nerevarine is!

I care! He still owes me 5 septims!

But the events of Arena certainly affected Cyrodiil. It's a wonder people still aren't jumping at their shadows and wondering if Jagar Tharn isn't disguised as their grandma.

I can understand about those in Cyrodiil not being fully aware of the events in Vvardenfell - though I'd expect those toward the border of Morrowind to at least have heard of the Tribunal Temple and all the hullabaloo about the Nerevarine.

But that was still an affect that was mostly concerned with the nobility, rather than the common people on the street.

Not to bring politics into this, but if the Jagar Tharn took the guise of the president, how much would that affect the average person? They'd just assume the president was doing whatever the president wanted to do. How would the average person in another country feel? They'd just assume it was the president doing whatever the president wanted to do.

And, as it's usually the common people that you talk to, 40 years from then (what about the people who are 20-30 years old who weren't even around and only heard stories?) it's not surprising that it's not a big deal for them :shrug:

The only people who would really care, I'd imagine, would be old people of the upper classes who have more money and more free time to worry about this stuff, or mages and historians that study this stuff and know the full possible ramifications of that event.

As far as I know, Jagar Tharn didn't really do anything *bad* to Tamriel whilst he was usurper of the throne. Several provincial wars broke out during this time - a time known as the Imperial Simulacrum, but to the common folk, nobody really cared. It sounds ironic but simultaneously it makes a great deal of sense.

How's replacing the entire Cyrodilic legion with monsters? That kicks out many people from their jobs and families from their support. How about sponsoring several (as far as we know, one) expedition in order to uncover some *evil* artifact that would (from what I understand) cause people to forever war with each other. Or how about acting as an accessory to a Daedric invasion of Tamriel through the Battlespire? AND that's just the stuff we know for certain that he did. For instance, it is generally assumed that he allowed/encouraged/didn't care about the various provincial wars that you mentioned. Or the surprises that he's planned out/had a hand in. For instance, in my fanterpreted version of the Oblivion events, Jagar Tharn as Uriel Septim meets Mankar Camaron and sets him on the path towards receiving the Mysterium Xarxes.

Additionally, I interpret it that most of the Daggerfall plot is cleaning up the instability and chaos in the region that Jagar Tharn sowed in his time at the reigns. That and recovering Big Stompy. So, not very *bad,* my foot.

My theory on this: Tamriel lives on a 24 hours news cycle. Things that happened 2 years ago is pretty old news. 8 years, ancient. 10 years, forgotten. 40 years, what are you even talking about?

See above, add the fact that you're having people being (likely) conscripted into armies. Or at least the stress that farmers feel when armies come romping near and through their farms. While civilian-soldiers are trained to hate their enemy and don't want anything to do with their enemy, they are going to ask how their Imperial Overseers are allowing for basically a civil war to be waged inside their borders.

Wow, only 40 years...? I didn't know that. That seems like a much to small amount of time for what all has happened. Tameriel is surely a busy bee hive...

what happens in the dragonbreak stays in the dragonbreak. Besides, gods are supposed to be infallible. I don't think the Empire wants people talking about how Akotosh lost track of time for five minutes and millions of citizens both died and didn't die at the same time. I understand that there was a need for an Ex-machina at the end of Daggerfall, but I'm just getting a headache thinking about it.

He rounded up his monsters and transformed them into "twisted counterparts of the royal guard". As in, to assure that the legion of Cyrodiil is loyal to him (this also explains things like why the guards don't let you into the palace). I don't think there was any real noticeable difference to the average citizen.


When were these mentioned?


Wasn't his attempt to garner the support of Mehrunes Dagon and invade the Battlespire a previous attempt to take over Tamriel? I think it took place before Arena, but it may have been simultaneous, I don't know.

Both took place during Jager Tharns reign.

You encounter http://www.imperial-library.info/tsobs/part06.shtml#Sirran%20Angada


In the the conversation file (but not in the game) there is a little chat with the Emperor and you're made Champion of Tamriel. So I would suppose Arena and Battlespire happened simultaneously.