Hey first post here!
Before you continue reading on please be aware that this thread's topic is of minimal importance.

Anyway, first some quick background: First of all, I'm a reptile fan. That's why I usually choose Argonian. I have a cold-blooded bias.
My first E.S. game was Oblivion, THEN I tried backtracking to Morrowind but I found it hard to get into (although I'm actually just resumed playing today after a 1-year hiatus).

The Argonians in Oblivion look kindof like Caiman Lizards (not actual caimans), but not really. The Argonians in Morrowind... don't really look like anything. More like weird dinosaurs than anything.

I think the Argonians in Skyrim should ideally look like actual lizards alive today [or there should be a mod for it]; for the sake of those few of us who like their pets maybe a little too much and want to play as one in an RPG game. Losers like me... And no I don't mean that they should also have a sprawling posture like actual lizards do. I would enjoy seeing Argonians that look like, oh lets say, leo geckos/monitors/iguanas/beardies/whatever. Probably not chameleons. I'd particularly enjoy a Tegu (my user name) even if it ends up looking something like an obese albino-tiger striped Krogan.

[img]http://www.freewebs.com/twoteals/DSCN5319.JPG[/img]
This is not my own picture; mine is still a baby. This was just for reference.

The Kajit, on the other hand, have looked more or less like their real-world counterparts in both games, so I don't see why the Argonians shouldn't.

Any other reptile keepers out there?

They should look more like dinosaurs, including the feathers. But if I have to talk about lizards than instead of the komodo dragon look I'd like a frilled neck lizard or thorny devil.

I know virtually nothing about Elder Scrolls canon but, given the story behind the Argonians and where they came from, I think the feathered theropod look would be kind of strange and out of place. That could just be the bio-student in me talking though lol.

I suggested some more diversity in the appearance of argonians as well, although admittedly this thread was about their possession of beards.

It would be nice if you could design them to look closer to one species of reptile or another, provide some interesting individuals. There definitely needs to be more options for frill, spine, scale pattern/color, and so on. My human characters look distinct from one another, so why shouldn't my argonians?

Hey, for all we know, they may not actually be in Syrim, what with the freezingness at all. I mean they probably will be, but there's nothing to say those 10 races are the same as in past games.

Anyway, maybe a little more variation in facial style, but not like that picture. It's got a weird throat pouch and looks obese.

Here's a few that could be cool.

http://yelvertonbrook.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/racehorse-goanna.JPG
http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/green-iguana-mary-lane.jpg - Note beard
http://www.the-lizard-lounge.com/content/gallery/lizard-pictures/bearded-dragon-pictures/bearded-dragon-02.jpg

I can't figure out why the picture format isn't working.

Anyway; yes at least having the option to add a little customization and diversity to Argonians in general would be a great thing. Changing scale color would also be kick-ass.

Well http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Argonian. Essentially they come from a large tropical marsh area where feather on an amphibious lizard wouldn't make a huge amount of sense.

Oh lol male tegus get really fat puffy cheeks when they grow up. A healthy tegu is always going to be a fat tegu, at least when they're grown up. That's why I said it might end up looking more like a Krogan than a traditional Argonian.

I remember the time where I played around with the sliders in Oblivion and made my argonian character's scales blue. I decided to go with it and found that my character was probably the most unique-looking in the game that wasn't butt-ugly.

I can imagine them like they were in oblivion, with better textures, and that flap beneath iguana's necks would be cool.

Chameleons would be a lava lamp of trippy fun for everyone.

Yes, I am fimiliar with the "turning-argonians-blue" art in Oblivion. Takes quite some time(secs).

Yeah, and thank god for the fact it only takes a few seconds. If it was Morrowind, I'd have to take the texture files, edit them in Photoshop, open up the CS, create a new race (since I don't want to paint all the lizards blue), make sure it works right, etc.

Ugh, this reminds me of the times I've already tried learning how to mod. The only thing I knew how to do well was making different weather, and that's only because I was desperate to change the monotonous blue tint in Fallout: Operation Anchorage to something better, and Fellout wasn't cutting it.

I forgot who drew this, but http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7564/awesomeargonianscetches.jpg

Really, all I'm hoping for is the more beast-like leg and body shape of the Argonians (and Khajiit) from Morrowind. Having simple fingernails and toenails on something considered a "beast race" just, to me, never seemed to fit. They should have claws, digitgrade legs with more claws, spines and all that. Make them look like people you really don't want to screw with.

On a similar note, tails. The large, thick tails of MW Argonians feel much more animalistic and therefore fit with the "beast" descriptor far more than the very thin ones of OB. Tails also, from what I can tell, seem to he held propped up in the air more in OB, which doesn't really match with actual lizards (in reality, they simply drag them along the ground and let them relax for the most part, only using the muscles in them to swish it to knock off a fly or cliff racer).

Perhaps have a physics simulation in the tail, letting it drag along the ground if long enough instead of clipping into things or being held unnaturally above the ground.

/my200cents

Edit: Also, smaller eyes.

Daggerfall? http://media.photobucket.com/image/daggerfall%20argonians/Maccabeus/daggerfall/fall_061.png

Arena? http://images.uesp.net//f/fa/AR-Race-Argonian_Female.jpg

You know all of those rumors about dragons shapeshifting? Well argonians are what they shape shifted into, but now that Akatosh is no longer bound to the empire they are rising again and they have all transformed back and argonians are no longer playable.

An Argonian with a bearded dragon head would be awesome.

Something inbetween what was in Morrowind and that which was in in Oblivion. I want them more bestial, but honestly I want to choose how many times my character licked the hist tree. That is to say, I want to choose my Argonian type!

like this? http://louissantiago.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/350px-sc4_lizardman.jpg

That ain't no bearded dragon.

That's not a bearded dragon head...

Wait, what?
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Hehe.

Not totally unique though. I made one too. :goodjob: