If Argonians are the only ones that are immune to the diseases of the Black Marsh, how do the Dunmer enslave them? Could they have Argonians working for them as hunters?

Well I don't think you just walk into Argonia and someone injects you with a virus right off the bat. It's probably just feverish type illnesses.

As for how Argonians are enslaved, well the Dunmer and Argonians seem to have a bit of a border dispute especially since the Arnesian War. So probably when one raids the other whoever wins takes prisoners. I'd imagne the best way to get slaves is to trade them from rival Argonian tribes since it is much safer then running through the swamp and jungle and marshlands trying to "catch" Argonians. Not as dramatic but much more practical.

Not to mention that sometimes, if I am correct or not, Argonian mother sell their children to slavery.

This still happens today in a lot of areas in the Middle East and India - I'm not surprised it was incorporated here, too.

Happened in Belgium the other day....

But a bit more on the subject at hand: does anyone now an ES book where they actually mention or talk about this topic?


I think I read that in the book about Argonia (where a imperial goes there to solve the probleme about the roads).

I think what ImmortalBlood said about rival Argonian tribes selling other tribes in to slavery was the most realistic. Thats how the Europeans acquired slaves from Africa.

That is exactly what I was thinking actually. The notion of a bunch of Belgian guys running through the forest with nets and guns is silly. It is way easier to trade for slaves then it is to hunt for them. There is this popular notion for example that all Argonians must hate Dunmer, but in reality it probably plays off as rival tribes fighting each other and trading their captives with Dres for weapons, food and what not.

We see a lot of Khajiit slavery in Tear as well so I imagine the Dres have a rather well founded fleet and probably use the very same method there with the Khajiit as they do with the Argonians.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Slavery actually has a good explanation of the entire process, lifted from descriptions in the Argonian Account. Enjoy!

Well i doubt there would be betrayers among Argonians because they are very LOYAL to each other, but i think that the Dunmer, they go into Black Marsh and take slaves by force, because Dunmer are more racist than skinheads, not only that, but they are like the High Elves, who think that everyone is inferior compared to them

Argonian slavery reminded me how a few centuries before people were going deep in the forests of Africa to come back home with slaves... that is sooooooooo sad

Also: racism against racists is racist.

Exactly, but in the situation of the slaves, most people cosider it justified.

Atcually, Argonian Tribes might think it good buisness to sell members of enemy tribes to the Dunmer. The tribes could trade their captured enemies for food, drakes, or exotic items not present in Black Marsh. Tribe A hates Tribe B, so why shouldn't Tribe A sell Tribe B to the Dunmer?

Also, taking slaves by force is hard work. You risk lives, equipment, and in general take more time raiding settlements for slaves. It's much easier to buy them from local warlords, tribes, etc. Then you only have to pay for their transportation and the cost of purchasing, which is probably cheaper then a raid.

QFT


So it's really a mixture of both. 'Mass abduction' does carry the connotation of actual physical abduction, however.

That would imply that racists are a race. Which they are not. Just discriminatory is all.

You're assuming that a whole race is loyal to another whole race. Again Africans sold other Africans to the slave traders and that is how most of slavery was made. Likewise we have a source denoting much of the same thing in Argonia.

And saying a whole race is racist, is itself a racist act. For example "All Germans hate Jews" is a racist term based only on the acts of the Nazis in WW2.

As for how the Dunmer view themselves and other races, consider the perspective. Before Orcs were a playable race did you consider them as "one of the races" like all the other playable ones? Perhaps from the Dunmer perspective Argonians are simply really advanced animals who can follow instructions and are penned in. Sort of like a highly trained horse.

Which is what I meant to say when I said "racism against racists is racist."

Why are we still having this conversation?

Because we are trying to save intellectuals from face palm...oh the dreaded face palm.

We're NOT allowed to be racist?

Tell that to the magus of Tel Aruhn.

Pfft.

Yeah most likley with other Argonians capturing Argonians. Identical to the asiento.

From what I've read, and from speculation: the Dunmer go in raiding parties across and around the border, taking Argonians from isolated villages and settlements, meeting little resistance. They stay out of the more dangerous swamplands to the south.

DarthRavanger and Uberpwnage, if you guys have any Lore about Argonians being involved in Argonia with the slave trade then I would like to see it.

I suspect you have read another thread that was talking about Africa - where slavery was the norm and has been for thousands of years - which is not the same thing.

The reason I say this is there are Argonian individuals in Morrowind itself who are part of the slave trade.

As for what happens in Argonia, evidence of the nature of their society there suggests no slavery and no leanings towards it.

The Argonian Account books mention Argonians owning slaves and mothers selling their children. From the book I get that only corrupt landlords and poor people in abject poverty engage on it.

Actually we stuck to the coasts and bought them off the arabs. Then we took them to America. We never took them back home.

Yeah I've heard all about that. Not to go off topic but that's incredibly [censored] up.

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