The Argonians are suddenly badasses.Kicked the Thalmor out,Gave payback the dumner after the eruption of Red Mountain.
They have one of the most defensible provinces in Black Marsh,It is fairly toxic to non Argonians iirc.
I just hope the Argonians side with Men against the Thalmor.Empire or Stormcloak.

If you do I promise not to call you Hist lickers any more.

To the guy talking about Skyrim economic collapse... Skyrim is extremely rich in natural resources (minerals, lumber, etc). A huge chunk of of these resources, especially silver and gold; are going straight to the imperials right now. Sympathy for the Dunmer in Windhelm dies pretty quick when you came across any of the Dunmer superiority propaganda books about stealing Skyrim from the Nords, or see them treat the Argonians 1000X more poorly than the Nords do.

In addition, as refuges instead of integrating into the culture of Windhelm, they made the quarter they were given into a miniature Morrowind, threw up Morrowind banners everywhere; don't join the city guard, don't care about murders that happen there, don't help with the war effort, etc.

Then you look at a town like Riften, which is run by Law-Giver. She's incompetent, but she has the most racially integrated hold in Skyrim. Then lets look at Thalmor ties.


All that being said, I think they are going to make the canon timeline in such a way that it doesn't matter who won; Skyrim lost. I could be wrong, but that's my feeling.

As a final thought, after the embassy or mage's guild questline, you are a wanted criminal to the Thalmor. The concordat between the empire and the Thalmor would compel the empire to turn you over for justice if they were asked. So...you'd end up coming full circle to the headsman's block.

You know, the Steward for Jarl Elisef called me a lizard even though I killed Potema. DOES THIS MEAN THAT EVEN LEGION LOVERS ARE RACIST!! OMG

The only thing that forced the Empire into servitude to the Thalmor was Mede II's incompetence.

As for the Stormcloaks, only a fraction of their ranks support Ulfric's racist ideologies. My character is a Dunmer and joined the Stormcloaks....I have yet to be treated differently than any of the other Nordic soldiers.

I play as an Argonian and I noticed that majority of the Stormcloaks hates pretty much everyone with the exception of their own kin. They seem pretty much like the human equivalent of Dunmers. I wouldn't be suprised if they started enslaving beast races and mer after winning the war and having a whole country in their hands. Just look at how Ulfric treats them in Windhelm. They are separated into race specific ghettos, living in poverty, doing lowly jobs or being given no opportunity to even work.

And Nords. Please don't think that EVERYONE in Skyrim is for the Stormcloaks. The most patriotic Nord for Skyrim is Legate Rikke.

Ulfric, Windhelm and the Stormcloaks are the only racist Nords in the game. As much as I would like to see the Empire crumble I cannot side with him because of that.

Imperials all the way man

I don't see the nords enslaving other cultures.. they were slaves themself's.

Stormcloaks, im still scratching my head over it im leaning more towards them but ..yea, that racism I can't stand ( and it makes no sense walking into windhelm as a Argonian and no one gives a [censored] , like i said i wish they where more immersive with the racism, and being able to prove your worth ).

but in my eyes general tulius is pretty racist towards nord's... " you nords and your bloody jarl's " " you nords and your bloody honour "

honour is something the imperial's don't seem to have a lot of.

I wish there was a Beast-Men Only side to the civil war where we could bring pain down on both party's lol.

I think you guys may have forgotten, but the Dark Brotherhood assassinated Titus Mede II.

Unless they're a khajiit, high elf or bosmer (Who isn't an exile, rebel or otherwise an exception-to-the-rule), in which case even participating in the conflcit doesn't make sense (Seeing their intrests lie with the dominion)

If I recall, The Thalmor and the Empire only signed the concordant to buy some time to re-build their respective armies, and then go at it again. You honestly think that the only reason why the Thalmor also banned the worship of Talos was to prove a point, I'll bet my bottom dollar that they knew that the ban of Talos would make the Nords peeved off, and re-start the civil war. Also, didn't the black smith in Riverwood say that most Nords had their little shrine to Talos, until Ulfric Stormcloak started getting all Mad and making a fuss?

It does make sense for them. The Khajit were recruited as allied country by the second Aldmeri Dominion when the Altmers used dawn magics to make the lost twin moons appear on the sky again. The Khajits swore allegience to them due to this as the Khajit society is heavily dependent on the moon phases.

High Elves being part of the master race which founded the Aldmeri Dominion will of course go with that. Same with Bosmers as the first Aldmeri Dominion consisted of Valenwood and Summerset Isle and the second one ended the same with the Altmer invading Valenwood but aside from killing the rebels offering the Bosmer equal rights and chances as part of the superior mer unity.

Seeing as these three are Aldmeri supporters they can't really go with the Imperials but can safely choose the Stromcloak because Ulfric is just a puppet of the Dominion anyway. So by doing what he demands you're actually playing into the hands of the Aldmeri.

But yeah... Argonians really can't take sides. Black Marsh withdrew from the "Imperial Unity" as Imperials didn't do much for them, not to mention kindly not forcing the Dunmers to end slavery of beast kind. On the other hand we have the Stormcloaks who want a pure Skyrim, filled with nothing but Nords. We do not gain anything by joining either side.

Argonian custom quest objective: Go back to Black Marsh, find the sacred Hist Tree, consume the sap, get high. Game won.

No. The Stormcloaks are mainly racist...do you know what that means for an Argonian? Earn their respect? Ha...There better off not joining any.




Indeed.

Fail. Ulfric is the one who's racist but not everyone in his ranks agree with his ideologies.

Fail? Okay...

Is Ulfric not the leader? The High King? And Besides a majority of his high ranking officers ARE racist. Have you played the game?

That has got to be one of the most ridicoulous arguements for pro-empire. "Oh, [insert your countries name here] flags are outlawed now? Doesnt matter, as long as i have my own little one. WAIT, WHATS THIS?? REBELS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE BAN?!?!?! HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

His main point was that the Thalmor are using Ulfric as it was predictable that he would start an uprising.

Ulfric being High King has nothing to do with each person's personal opinion. And for a faction of people who are so racist, I sure rose through the ranks as a Dunmer. Labeling an entire group of people by the actions and opinions of SOME individuals is pretty stupid.

And the Thalmor aren't using the Empire? Have you even played the game or read the lore? Guess you're one of the casual TES fans.

The Thalmor started Ulfric on his path to betrayl when he was captured. Since then he has always been a pawn in their hands.
The Empire is gearing for round 2, and the Stormcloaks are preventing that.

The Thalmor started Titus Mede II's on the Empire's path of betrayal when he signed the WGC and turned his back on Hammerfell...Which, in turn severely weakened the rest of Tamriel.
As for this fabled "round 2"...By all means, explain how the Empire will go about successfully overthrowing the Thalmor with barely any allies?

1. As someone said above me, the Thalmor are using the Empire FARRR more than the Stormcloaks
2. And they arent really using him at all; and they didnt outlaw Talos purely to piss off Ulfric. And if they did, they still arent using him, they just predicted what he would do, and they were right.

I'm clearly done arguing with you. The point is that the Stormcloaks are setting the board. Skryim would be fine far longer with the Empire. Obviously I know quite a bit about the lore. Let's not start this name calling bicker.



They are using him. He's doing everything they want him too...I don't know what else to call that

Titus Mede II Made the tough choice of letting few die, Instead of many, The Empire is a symbol of Mankind if it fell, Man kinds hope would have dwindled.