Argonian's, Stormcloaks Or Imperials? : V - Skyrim

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:31 am

And can we stop attacking each other personally and remain civil!

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:42 am

The Thalmor started Titus Mede II's on the Empire's path of betrayal when he signed the WGC and turned his back on Hammerfell...Which, in turn severely weakened the rest of Tamriel.

And yet it's still better then ENITRE SEPARATE NATIONS. At least when considering the Thalmor

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:56 am

I'm clearly done arguing with you. The point is that the Stormcloaks are setting the board. Skryim would be fine far longer with the Empire. Obviously I know quite a bit about the lore. Let's not start this name calling bicker.

They are using him. He's doing everything they want him too...I don't know what else to call that

Oh I get it. You're upset because I'm actually using lore fact and logic to disprove your argument. And I have yet to see any solid evidence that you're well versed in the lore...Or else you'd be able to grasp the fact that the Empire's incompetence and poor leadership is the greatest threat to Tamriel. Not Ulfric's racism and foolishness.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:20 am

They are using him. He's doing everything they want him too...I don't know what else to call that

I want dogs to wag their tail when they're happy.. and they do! DOGS ARE THE PAWNS OF MY DESTRUCTION!! MWUHAHAHA!

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:48 am

Oh I get it. You're upset because I'm actually using lore fact and logic to disprove your argument. And I have yet to see any solid evidence that you're well versed in the lore...Or else you'd be able to grasp the fact that the Empire's incompetence and poor leadership is the greatest threat to Tamriel. Not Ulfric's racism and foolishness.

And Ulfric isint? He has not even told his high command he broke to the Thalmor!

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:28 am

And yet it's still better then ENITRE SEPARATE NATIONS. At least when considering the Thalmor

How do you figure...? The Empire's frail "alliance" between the remaining nations is getting weaker by the day. In their current situation, they have no chance of repairing the Unity between the nations. They have been labeled as cowards and incompetent traitors. Even the Stormcloaks, under new leadership, have a better chance at reuniting the nation that the Empire does.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:03 pm

How do you figure...? The Empire's frail "alliance" between the remaining nations is getting weaker by the day. In their current situation, they have no chance of repairing the Unity between the nations. They have been labeled as cowards and incompetent traitors. Even the Stormcloaks, under new leadership, have a better chance at reuniting the nation that the Empire does.

Not after the show of racism that the stormcloaks showed.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:41 pm

And Ulfric isint? He has not even told his high command he broke to the Thalmor!

As I've said before, Ulfric isn't responsible for the downfall of the Imperial Alliance between the nations. Titus Mede II is. Mede II's incompetence knows no bounds. He's forever scarred the reputation of the Empire and this will hurt them in the long run.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:07 pm

I want dogs to wag their tail when they're happy.. and they do! DOGS ARE THE PAWNS OF MY DESTRUCTION!! MWUHAHAHA!

It's more then that:

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:13 am

You people seem to forget how Ulfric deals with "lesser races" in his own city, Windhelm. Filthy ghetto quarters were established for Dunmers and Argonians whom are looked down upon by all, living in poverty. If I was playing a Dark Elf I would rather curse under my breath but ally with the Imperials for the moment then to rise in ranks among people who obviously despise my race and allow them to live like animals while the Nords in the same town have comfort and wealth. Same thing applies to Argonians. Okay, I'm not a fan of the empire as they royally f*cked up but at least they give my brethren an equal chance to live and prosper.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:56 am

Not after the show of racism that the stormcloaks showed.

Wrong. It's a well known that not all of the Stormcloaks follow Ulfric's racist beliefs. Some Stormcloak soldiers and Nords even mention this. Take out Ulfric and replace him with someone who has the best interest for ALL people of Tamriel...and the other nations will pay attention and consider aligning with them.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:03 am

How do you figure...? The Empire's frail "alliance" between the remaining nations is getting weaker by the day. In their current situation, they have no chance of repairing the Unity between the nations. They have been labeled as cowards and incompetent traitors. Even the Stormcloaks, under new leadership, have a better chance at reuniting the nation that the Empire does.

Even in Dawnstar the citizens dislike the Jarls position with Ulfric. The empire would be far easier and better at uniting Skyrim. Considering they still are the majority. That's my last imput though. Been fun.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:52 am

And then there's the spiritual issue -- how important it is that the Stormcloaks are protecting Talos worship.

Short, simple answer -- pretty frikkin important.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:50 pm

As I've said before, Ulfric isn't responsible for the downfall of the Imperial Alliance between the nations. Titus Mede II is. Mede II's incompetence knows no bounds. He's forever scarred the reputation of the Empire and this will hurt them in the long run.

The poor man was in Bad shoes

He inherited A weakened empire, Was attacked by the Thalmor. Lost Most of his forces, Despite winning one of the most brilliant victories in imperial history, He was still labeled a coward, Did something for the good of his people, only for his very friends to turn on him

Having a trooper who swore an oath to him, turn into a rebel leader directed at kicking him out, And despite all this he still showed no fear when death knocked on his door.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:43 pm

Even in Dawnstar the citizens dislike the Jarls position with Ulfric. The empire would be far easier and better at uniting Skyrim. Considering they still are the majority. That's my last imput though. Been fun. :smile:

Once again, using short-sighted logic and not being well versed in the lore. Done arguing with people who know very little yet wish to debate. Peace.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:47 am

The poor man was in Bad shoes

He inherited A weakened empire, Was attacked by the Thalmor. Lost Most of his forces, Despite winning one of the most brilliant victories in imperial history, He was still labeled a coward, Did something for the good of his people, only for his very friends to turn on him

Having a trooper who swore an oath to him, turn into a rebel leader directed at kicking him out, And despite all this he still showed no fear when death knocked on his door.

All excuses. These issues are what comes with the job of being Emperor. If he couldnt handle it, he should have stepped down and given the position to someone more competent...Not let his Empire, his people and his alliances suffer.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:57 am

And then there's the spiritual issue -- how important it is that the Stormcloaks are protecting Talos worship.

Short, simple answer -- pretty frikkin important.

This. Removing the man-god Talos from the Pantheon IS pretty frikkin important. I dont think the Empire sees that. I think the Dragonborn is destined to crush the Thalmor and restore Talos worship-Dragonborn could be viewed as (partially) an avatar of Talos. And the modern Empire is NOTHING like the Empire that Talos made.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:28 am

All excuses. These issues are what comes with the job of being Emperor. If he couldnt handle it, he should have stepped down and given the position to someone more competent...Not let his Empire, his people and his alliances suffer.

I dont think even Martin septim could handle it, Even Tiber septim could not shout all of the Thalmor down.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:29 pm

This. Removing the man-god Talos from the Pantheon IS pretty frikkin important. I dont think the Empire sees that. I think the Dragonborn is destined to crush the Thalmor and restore Talos worship-Dragonborn could be viewed as (partially) an avatar of Talos. And the modern Empire is NOTHING like the Empire that Talos made.

Thats because the empire is filled with non Semi-Divine Badasses who are being attacked by a massive nazi elf organization....I like The new one better.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:22 am

Thats because the empire is filled with non Semi-Divine Badasses who are being attacked by a massive nazi elf organization....I like The new one better.

Could you clarify your post? It doesnt make much sense to me

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:36 am

I dont think even Martin septim could handle it, Even Tiber septim could not shout all of the Thalmor down.

Martim Septim did what he had to do to protect his people without hesitation. The Mede family waited 149 years to do something after their own allies were being raided by the Thalmor. Now look at the condition Tamriel is in.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:05 am

Martim Septim did what he had to do to protect his people without hesitation. The Mede family waited 149 years to do something after their own allies were being raided by the Thalmor. Now look at the condition Tamriel is in.

While the selfish Redguards attacked the orismer, It was the legion who sacrficed themselves to save the orismer civilians, It was Mede who sent imperial spys to help save valenwood civilians from the Thalmor, And may of those agents were hanged and killed by the Thalmor. Martin Septim Used his divine birth right to save the world. The Medes do not have that Divine aid, There just men, Flawed and Normal, Which makes them better then the septims.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:56 am

While the selfish Redguards attacked the orismer, It was the legion who sacrficed themselves to save the orismer civilians, It was Mede who sent imperial spys to help save valenwood civilians from the Thalmor, And may of those agents were hanged and killed by the Thalmor. Martin Septim Used his divine birth right to save the world. The Medes do not have that Divine aid, There just men, Flawed and Normal, Which makes them better then the septims.

Martin was a man as well. Besides, he was fighting on the battle fields long before he even knew his true destiny. Martin Septim wasn't a coward. The Mede family was.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:41 am

While the selfish Redguards attacked the orismer, It was the legion who sacrficed themselves to save the orismer civilians, It was Mede who sent imperial spys to help save valenwood civilians from the Thalmor, And may of those agents were hanged and killed by the Thalmor. Martin Septim Used his divine birth right to save the world. The Medes do not have that Divine aid, There just men, Flawed and Normal, Which makes them better then the septims.

Ok, Martin Septim wasnt some demi-god blessed with the divine powers of Talos. He was just descendant from him. And he was a man too. And because the Medes were flawed, they were better than the Septims? :facepalm:

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:58 am

Ok, Martin Septim wasnt some demi-god blessed with the divine powers of Talos. He was just descendant from him. And he was a man too. And because the Medes were flawed, they were better than the Septims? :facepalm:

How should I explain....Ill quote paar "Is it better to born good or to overcome evil and be good"
Ill change it "Is it to be better to be born perfect or is it to be born flawed and normal and to overcome it threw challenges"