Im really scratching my head over this one, im usually pro-stormcloak, even when i play as a khajiit but after being to the windhelm docks, after seeing the conditions of my fellow beast-men, im having serious doubts about Ulfric now.

( Or does he keep the Argonian's out of windhelm to stop riots between the Dunmer and Argonians? )

I juss need some more thoughts on it from others lol

Imperials.. Why would a Argonian support a "Nord-only" side? Even my nord warrior is an imperial cause he believes that "We all live under the same sky" And a lonely nation/province is a weak one

For any race that isn't Nord, Imperial makes the most sense.

mainly because i RP and all my characters are always beast-men and always born in skyrim and they want a freedom to worship whomever they please, and not be subjected to thalmor captures ect.. but I also can't STAND the racism that comes off the stone-fist ( not the general, the drunken milk drinker ) and most of the stormcloaks.

If the stormcloak's where friendly to Argonian's and Khajiit then I would choose them without a doubt but.. when i RP my character is also highly anti-racist

so im in a tug of war

but @ that " lonely nation/province is a weak one " is bull [censored] and u know it lol
look at Hammerfell

But you seem to forget the Empire is in servitude to the Thalmor...who hate Argonians...

This. Any other race besides Nords joining the stromcloaks doesn't really make sense. At least from what I can see.

They Thalmor hate everyone. Plus you aren't serving them anyway. However the stormcloaks....not going to spoil though. And I do believe they regard Beast races slightly higher then Man. Not that that's any difference.

And serving the Empire, who in turn are in servitude to the Thalmor makes more sense?

You do realize the Argonians left the Empire for reason. It could be easily stated that you wish to see Skyrim become free just like Black Marsh

Imperials and Nords can join the Stormcloaks, because they share the Nordic heritage (Imperials have just lost sight of it over time). All of the other races though would be hard-pressed to join them - maybe if your character really hates the Empire for some reason....

The empire are not in Servitude of the Thalmor. Or at least one Imperial Legate isn't, and she's causing serious problems for said Dominion asshats, from butchering an entire embassy to storming their fortresses.

Of course the Empire is in servitude to the Thalmor...Not completely, of course...But the signing of the WGC offically gave Thalmor free reign to do as they please and stamp out Talos worship. Not to mention they pressured Titus Mede II into handing over Hammerfell. They even have Thalmor spies within The Imperial ranks.

In other words, the Empire are the lapdogs of the Thalmor and have absolutely no power against them

The Stormcloaks are serving the Thalmor as well...Do the MQ and you'll see why.

Ulfric is merely a pawn of the Thalmor...But the empire is worse. I don't remember Ulfric willingly handing over an entire nation to the Thalmor.

I'm pretty sure the Stormcloaks are worse. It completely weakens Skyrim.

And the Empire betraying Hammerfell weakened Tamriel.

Guys can we stop These Horrible Stormcloak vs Imperial Debates!

as stated above, Thalmor hate everyone.. Even people in their uniform (I tried)

And its not like the Empire had a choice in it all with the White gold concordat.. "Obey us or die" mentality

The Actually Stormcloak rebellion is weakining Tamreil

If the Stormcloaks were victorious then they would cease all trading with the Imperial-financed East Empire Company. If you talk with traders in many towns or cities they refer to how important that trade is for Skyrim. Infact, the Emperor's cousin owns and operates the company from Solitude. If the Stormcloaks succeeded in establishing Skyrim as a separate state then there would be no trade between them and the Empire, creating a vacuum of income for coastal cities.

Additionally, if Skyrim were to remain in Imperial control, it would be much easier for residents of Tamriel to migrate there. This would create new business and reduce unemployment. Perhaps more traders could establish shops in Winterhold to save their problems. Think of it as like the Eurozone. It's much easier for someone from France to move to Germany than it is for someone from America to do so.

If the Stormcloaks were to succeed then they would have to change the currency. Presently the Empire uses Septims, there is the possibility that Ulfric wishes to create a more Nordic identity for Skyrim and thus there would be a changeover of currency. This could result in widespread financial problems (See Weimar Germany)

It can be discovered in a dossier from the Thalmor Embassy that Ulfric Stormcloak is a Thalmor asset, and has been for a considerable length of time. Although he is dormant, they have the ability to contact him (despite it being 'high risk'). If the Stormcloak rebellion were to succeed, then it would seem likely that the Thalmor would be able to subvert Skyrim's funds and use it to further their 'racial cleansing', creating a significant drain of resources.

As you mentioned, the Stormcloaks seem to be overwhelmingly racist. They hate elves and also mages. If the Stormcloak uprising continued, then these individuals could face persecution. Thus, there is the possibility that elves and mages leave Skyrim en masse, taking their business with them.

So overall it's better for Skyrim economically to remain as a semi-autonomous Imperial state.

The Stormcloaks weren't the one's that completely cut off an entire nation. Skyrim is weakened but still part of the alliance. If Titus Mede II was more competent, we wouldnt be in the situation in the first place.

I wish there was more immersion in the racism in skyrim like, if your a beast-race and you join the stormcloaks, they start to show more kindess to your people ect

This is all basically wild speculation and has nothing really to do with the current convo.

No, the Empire had a choice to align with the other nations and fight back the Aldmeri Dominion way back when the Thalmor were invading the other nations. The Empire decided to sit back and only act when it was too late. Now look at the situation Tamriel is in.

Um...u serious? Everything beyond the game is "wild" speculation. Bethesda could go anywhere with it...But what I said is general common sense. Ulfric is a pawn of the Thalmor. That's the only fact.