Okay, for a fan-fic I'm writing, I'm planning on having an Imperial girl fall in love with an Argonian character. My question is: Is it likely?

I know that, obviously, Argonians cannot reproduce with other races. But can they have sixual encounters with other races? Can they do other stuff? Would it even be plausible for an Imperial to even fall for an Argonian?

On a side-note, how exactly do Argonians reproduce? Do we even know that?

Anyway, thanks for any responses in advance. I appreciate your help!

Nothing outright stops the development of a relationship, but it is not clear whether Imperials and argonians can successfully reproduce.

As for likelihood: I'd imagine that any such relationship would be quite scandalous.

Considering the argonians are not descended from the Ehlnofey, where as men and mer are, I doubt an argonian and human/mer could have reproduce. Not to mention there hasn't been a record of a successful argona-mer/man child. However, I am sure the two races can have six.

Also, Annig and Glem were pretty close, Darth Ravanger. But, at this moment, they appear to just be friends, though how the two turn out in the second book is up in the air.

As for argonian reproduction, it's still a male and female who like each other and do the horizontal dance. As far as eggs vs. no eggs, argonians do have eggs, that has been confirmed. As far as whether argonians are oviporous (lays eggs) or ovoviviporous (eggs kept internally), I think it depends on the temperature. If it's a cold place, expect ovoviviporous, and warmer areas as oviporous.

That should cover everything needed.

Whoops I just realized a typo in my original post. I meant to say "cannot reproduce".

The Morrowind in-game description of Argonians hints that they undergo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite#Sequential_hermaphrodites.



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No. It is unlikely and implausible. Especially if you try to make this a romance. Now, if you give the woman a complex...

Humans and Argonians would, ideally, have their own emotions, love, and, because it is a choice to give love, courtship. Even among argonians, these probably vary widely, because each tribe is, well, a tribe.

However, the fantasy is there (just like it's here): http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-lusty-argonian-maid

Ha the Lusty Argonian Maid, fun book I loved reading that in Oblivion LOL.:rofl:

That would be weird for Argonians to mate outside of their races I mean they are lizards and during the dark brotherhood quests in Oblivion if you talk to teinaava or Ocheeva they talk about hatchlings and eggs.

As I pointed out, it still is possible.

I would guess it would be pretty rare, very rare indeed. But it could happen depending on the girl or the Argonian.

Reproduction is an open point, but with magic, who knows?

It always interested me, but my English is not so good. Does "phase" always means "stage" or "period" or it can be interpreted here as something like "variety"?

There also "http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-wolf-queen-book-three":


Ah, and there also a "http://uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:Fall_of_Vitharn", but we don't know how valid chronicles of Madgod's realm are.

I can't recall the whole "life-phase" thing ever being elaborated on or referred to anywhere else.

Same here. I just see it as a fancy term for male and female. If anything, I would hear/read strange account on male turning female and vice versa if it were true.

Argonians are cold-blooded, egg-laying reptilians. That makes it impossible to bear common children. As for just six... define "six". A living and moving Argonian can't be a worse sixual partner than a rubber doll, but there's still a small but steady demand for rubber dolls. In *that* way (but no more than that), there can be a one-side satisfactory relationship with an Argonian and human. Feelings on the other hand... there's at least http://www.majipoor.com/work.php?id=1148 who considers it possible, but if you're planning to go that venue, your characters must have been pretty disturbed and deranged fellows to begin with.

But if it were true, it wouldn't by definition be *strange*. Just a fact of life, quite common but too intimate to be discussed publicly.

Strange as in changing gender in advlt age naturally (without any aid of magic and/or surgery). If any indication about this six change, I would hear account by now. We are in a world where these intimate idea are flashing in front of the player's nose, whether he/she is aware or not.

Then again, completely changing your intelligence level and biology at adolescence is pretty remarkable too. Maybe they do, but they don't really talk to us about it.

I've been monitoring these kinds of threads for a little while now and one similar to this keeps popping up every two months or so. I'm all for wild speculation, but there is such a thing as beating a dead horse here. After skimming through the "How to be a Lore Buff" thread, I saw pretty much people's common questions answered in the materials shown. I recommend we link the Argonian Compendium once it gets converted to new TIL format, even if it is mostly secondary lore and Dev quotes and not up to date (with those accompanying warnings) as it sheds a lot of light on the issues on them and start referring the odd person here or there to that sticky for some stuff like that.

Their relationship struck me as the two being long-time friends since childhood. Attrebus is more likely to get the benefits of the first person rule, (that is to say, that the first person presented as a romantic interest usually comes out on top in the end).

Now, an imperial girl falling in love with an argonian? I think people would say that girl is living out a fantasy about bestiality. Especially if it's an imperial girl from the upper-classes.

Well, the relationship I'm talking about would be similar to Annig and Glem's. Friends from childhood, and all that. But from what I've heard, it probably wouldn't happen. Oh well. :sadvaultboy:

As for cold bloodedness, was it mentioned, and if so, can I have a linky?

Well if that Fall of Vitharn book above is accurate...then yes they can reproduce with other races.(Vitharn and Csaran definitely don't sound Argonian)

I don't see why they couldn't have a relationship. It could be met with some ire by some, but stranger things have happened. In Morrowind, you can pretty much have a relationship with http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Ahnassi regardless of your race. In Oblivion, although not really a romance, http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Dar-Ma can get a bit infatuated with you.

Just because they may not be able to procreate doesn't mean an Argonian and someone of another race couldn't grow fond of each other. They are sentient beings, after all.

I like the idea of an hermaphroditic argonian, because such traits tear them from the humans. They are no longer lizard-men, but a people all to itself different. Their unique physiology demands a unique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_psychology.

The fact that they call players of other races "warmblood" in Morrowind does count for something?

Not necessarily. The Argonians keep to themselves, and I imagine the outward gender characteristics aren't like mannish and merrish characteristics (boobs, genitals, body structure). In character creation, the differences seem to be subtle scale color differences and possibly horn protuberances on the males (TESIII character creation "hair" choices). Mind you, there really aren't any external clues (aside from size, sometimes) as to the six of reptiles like snakes and crocodilians.

Given their unusual physiology, do you really expect the average man/mer to have a keen eye for Argonian gender? And it is possible that maybe an Argonian changes his/her name when changing six. We don't know at what point there is a six change - is it gradual, fast? Does it only occur under specific conditions (refer to the clown fish example in the wiki article)? Do they all start out as males then change to females, vice versa, or is it a mix (some males, some females; eventually, they swap genders)? Could it be related to the Hist tree? If it is Hist-related, perhaps Argonians living away from Black Marsh do not undergo the phase change because of lack of access/proximity to the hist - or some other factor/trigger/stimulus.

It is such an unusual thing, I wouldn't be surprised if most men/mer couldn't even conceive of such a peculiar biology. And the Argonians, as secretive as they are - well, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't talk about it with strangers.

Well except I still call shenanigans on the theory. I would actually accept that this process might occur before the age of one, right after the Argonian was born, but anything else beyond that age isn't that well supported, or at all.

The way I see it, each race in this universe have some juicy information reveal, whether from their race account it or from another account. Khajiit and the Dunmers are made from the Azura's wicked magic, Orcs are feces of Boethiah, I think it was the Nords that were cursed to live a very short life span at one point, Breton were love babies from Aldmers and some Nedic tribe, Dwemers try to become god and fail, the origin of the Mage Guild can be credited from the Altmer's influences, and so on. What I am pretty much saying is, if it were to be true, it should already be mention, accounted for, and in a way, common knowledge amount ingame scholars or joke accounts/story that one of the boss's employees of (insert occupation) changes six.

Argonians may be secretive, but how secretive depend on the individual and how much s/he kept their wisdom and knowledge in or not. In other words, just like everyone else.

If your planning on the characters having a child, you should probably forget it. Although I think its entirely possible for them to fall in love with each other as long as its not on account of the others appearance.