I have considered creating an Argonian Dragonborn for a future roleplay, because I suspect it might be very interesting. However I'm no expert in Argonian lore, that's why I'd like some input from those who are.

Hist is something that unites Argonians in a spiritual way. That's what I know.

Some say Argonians are Hist in mobile form. Is that true? Someone on these forums wrote that Argonians die and are reborn in a cycle that is connected with the hist. What significance does that hold if I have a dragon soul? Because then I'm in a spiritual sense a dragon, and not an Argonian.

How would that make me relate to fellow Argonians and to the Hist?

The Argonains are not The Hist, they are creations of the Hist, and as far as I know, they have the same life/death cycle as all the other races do, aka the Dreamsleeve.

Amd even if you have the soul of a dragon, you are still w/e race you are, a nord dragonborn is still a nord, and altmer dragonborn is still an altmer, and a Argonian dragonborn is still an argonian.

This may or may not be the start of the Jill-Hist Wars to come...

Every sources, especially the second novel where an argonian die (we follow his soul), say the contrary...

The novels made the "return to the hist" a quasi-fact, not a theory...

Sources are too ambiguous on this subject...
But argonian=hist works very well with the "return to the hist"...

Except every source doesn't say otherwise, unless by every source you mean the sole source that is the book.

Not to mention that Daedric lords can take souls before they go into the dreamsleeve, as can Lorkhan, The Hist may possess a comparable power, but that doesn't mean all Argonian souls do.

As for the Argonians "returning to The Hist" that just that they went back to their creator, not that they ARE hist, Nords have the same saying when they bless those to find entrance to Sovengarde, but that doesn't mean all Nords are really Lorkhan, just that they revere Lorkhan as their creator, and believe they will return to him, and his realm, in death.

This history of the "return to the hist" began with http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Seed...

After this book there is no source as far I know speaking about this subject but the novels, which like I said transform this theory to a quasi-fact...

But yes, daedra or aedra can pre-empt this cycle of reincarnations, like the novels say curiously...

For the "argonian=hist" you point the ambiguity...

The "return to the hist" is almost certain as the novels show us...

Hist can collect souls from any living form, the novels show us that, and novels show us hist putting those souls to corpses they have created...

Now, hist is only the trees with random souls inside, or there is a distinction between the hists' souls and others' souls inside the trees...? That what we don't know...

Fun fact, the Ancient Tales of the Dwemer is fictional, its not based on any historical fact, which is noted in the book's title itself. It didn't begin there, becuase it was never treated as fact there.

As for returning to the hist, it is only certain that some Argonians do, not that all do.

Furthermore, The Hist trees are not themselves just trees with random souls inside them, they are sentient trees that possess their own soul and that have the ability to trap other souls in them like a soul gem does. If the hist were just a random collection of souls trapped inside a tree, it would just make the tree a soul gem, which cant act on their own, nor would it make The Hist their own lifeforms, which we KNOW they are.

Further compounding that is none of this is actually related to if Argonians are Hist, just that Hist can soul trap Argonians souls and put them into bodies. Meaning they make Argonians out of Argonians, and Argonians a just a species created by the Hist, and not The Hist themselves.

Fun fact, you should read the post-scriptum of this book...

"The Seed" is one of Marobar Sul's tales whose origins are well known. This tale originated from the Argonian slaves of southern Morrowind. "Marobar Sul" merely replaced the Dunmer with Dwemer and claimed he found it in a Dwemer ruin. Furthermore, he later claimed that the Argonian version of the tale was merely a retelling of his "original!"

Hum...

Oh...

The Hist were bystanders in the Ehlnofey war, but most of their realm was destroyed as the war passed over it. - http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Annotated_Anuad...

Hist are interconnected, so when a tree die, his soul remains with the rest of the other hists...

"most of their realm was destroyed", that makes alot of souls without a tree...

And "curiously" hists created many bodies, and "curiously" they put souls inside...

Now I wonder where those souls came from, hum...?

What about Dragonborn then...

If the Dragon blood is a gift of Akatosh, then a Nord dragonborn would be a Nord as you say, but gifted with the Dragon blood, and the Dragon soul part is something constructed? The soul takes on dragon characteristics because of the gift?

But if the Dragonborn is a dragon(soul) that Akatosh has put into a mortal body, then a Nord Dragonborn would only be Nord physically, but spiritually would be a dragon. Same for an Argonian Dragonborn.

They still would have psychological characteristics of a mortal, though, because they don't have the brain of a Dragon. (?)

A Dragonborn Argonian would have something that a normal Argonian has not, whether it's a gift, or the Dragonborn has a dragon soul to begin with. So this means either a dragon soul has been soultrapped in the hist (?) and is born as an Argonian, or a normal Argonian has been gifted with the dragon blood before birth. Might the dragon soul somehow mess up/ have an impact on the symbiosis with the hist and the spiritual bond to other Argonians? Because I think it might. It's a very powerful and different type of soul. That's what I thought could make up for an interesting roleplay.

Did you know the Wamasus...?

Black Marsh was once known to be inhabited with what the Argonians called the Wamasus. Northern men considered them to be intelligent dragons with lightning for blood. - http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Tamrielic_Lore...

Perhaps hists manage to take the soul of one wamasu...?

Perhaps the gift of "dragonborn" was given by an aedroth, that transforms/replaces the existing soul by a dragon's soul...?

That's very interesting, because then the Dragonborn would have a dragon soul without Akatosh having anything to do with it, which means he's not chosen by the gods, only appeared at the right time... or even chosen by the Hist!

I love such twists to a character's story. Might just go with that

Though we don't know if they're actually dragons, and from what we've seen of ESO, they're likely not.

Incidentally, doncha love when old lore has tiny clashes with new lore? (Not using that as a point of argument, but still.) Such as the special mention that they are intelligent dragons, as if all dragons aren't intelligent.

The Hist could have captured the soul of a real dragon then...

...Yeah "aren't all dragons intelligent" was what I thought too...

Fun fact, I think you should read it also, its all based on superstition and warped religious beliefs. It has no basis in fact.

Hist are interconnected, but that doesn't mean they retain the souls of their fallen brothers. for all we know the dead Hist got sleeved.

As for the original of the souls, their original source could have equally been, and far more likely to have been, wandering Ehlnofey they captured and forced into servitude as repayment for their transgressions.

Who says Akatosh doesn't work through the Hist sometimes, or that the Hist didn't give you the Dragon Soul? They can absorb anything they come in contact with and "remember" the form. Perhaps they absorbed a Dragon once.

The people who claim Akatosh gave you the soul weren't actually there when it happened. They're speaking beliefs, not hard facts. The Skaal claim the All-Maker did it. Arngeir says Akatosh did. Todd Howard vaguely says "anointed by the gods" but doesn't say which ones. Hermaeus Mora or Xarxes may have given Mankar Camoran his. Don't take anything at face value in this world.

Yes, that why it is the beginning of the theory, not a proof...

And "fiction=all false" is totally stupid...

Every fiction, at some degree, is based on real world, even with many distortions, because its author is part of the real world...

The Marobar's fictions pretend to be credible stories for misleading its readers, those types of fictions are heavily based on reality, so yes some things in theses fictions are false, but some are true...

So when one of those fictions says something that never confirmed or infirmed by any other source, it could be true, and we can use it for building some hypothesis... Later it can be confirmed (like in the novels) or infirmed (like... nowhere...), but before that we can use it...

Or we can consider this by "it's in fiction so it's false", but it's totally silly...

Well, I didn't know they absorbed souls. I didn't know how they worked; that's why I asked here.

The Greg Keyes novels, especially the second "Lord of Souls" speaks quite a bit about the Hist and their abilities.

Beings which are considered an archaic and less advanced type of Hist can absorb and remember just about any biological component they come in contact with. They even retain memories and personality of persons they revive, like the Argonian Mere-Glim. I assume that's a soul transfer. Annaig preserved him in a type of soul gem, but the Hist had no problem absorbing that and rebuilding him a body. This implies they can indeed eat souls.

What about the fact that said blade, as well as many other items in that text, is an in-game item that does exactly what it's description says?