Argonians-will they decide who winner will be? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:22 am

Perhaps, but in the past it seems most people haven't cared to think about the repercussions of angering the Argonians. I personally wouldn't be surprised to see Imperial or Thalmor troops attempting to march across Black Marsh at least once.

Angering the Argonians is one thing, albeit stupid, marching through Black Marsh is another thing all together and just simply insane. It would be probably be beter just to tell your army to jump into red mountain, same amount of casualties but at least it will be over quick.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:50 am

If you marched through Black Marsh, the Argonians are the least of your worries.

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:47 am

There is one other thing, whoever wins in incoming second great war will become most powerful force on Tamriel.Thalamor or Empire will in the end need to decide what to do with Black Marsh and argonian controled part of Morrowind.But if Hist are wise, what they surely are, perhaps they could make a deal with either of these two factions.We help you beat Empire or Thalamor and in return we are given freedom to rule on our own.

Well I think it's obvious the empire will win, they always do, but we don't know how the Hist think or what they want. I assume that because they are immortal, that they just want to live. Besides, the Hist aren't the ones that would be fighting. They send their minions to do the dirty work so they dont have much to lose.

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:50 pm

The hist shoot their 16-dimensional mathematics at their enemies, don't they?

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:48 am

Stupid dog, trees don't math.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:37 pm

5. Take this opportunity to ambush both factions while they're weak. Planet of the Argonautonians here we come!

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:08 am

The Argonians would have to do a lot of breeding to raise an army big enough to take the Imperial city.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:09 am

While we all know how Aldmeri Dominion and Empire are standing at this point, I wonder which side will now quite strong argonians take.
They emerged after Oblivion crisis strong and unifed, and attacked Morrowind and took control and its mainland, and have gone completly separated from Empire.With mer vs man war that is coming, both Thalamor and Empire will most likely try to ally with argonians, for they gain powerful ally who controls eastern Tamriel.
What will be argonians( in truth, Hist) decision?
1. Stand beside and watch.This seems very likely choice.
2. Siding with Empire could prove good for them because they hate mer( Dunmer).But at the same time they could once again become nothing more than another region of the Empire.
3. Thalamor, after years of being ruled by Cyrodiil, perhaps they want some sort of payback time against Empire?

If they choose to help anyone it would probably be the faction that promises them continued independence, though they could just as easily stay out of it all.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:21 am

5. Take this opportunity to ambush both factions while they're weak. Planet of the Argonautonians here we come!

Yes master! We shall do what the old ones command...... :nod:

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:54 am

Reman Cyrodiil could not conquer the Summerset Isles, the best he could manage was tribute.

Tiber Septim needed a giant freakin' stompy robot to conquer the Dominion.

So what do those arrayed against the Dominion have now?

...Dragons.

Once you finish the Skyrim MQ, you vanquished Alduin, you demonstrated your Thu'um was strongest. Like Odahviing, it's likely many other dragons will heed your call to arms.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:54 am

Reman Cyrodiil could not conquer the Summerset Isles, the best he could manage was tribute.

Tiber Septim needed a giant freakin' stompy robot to conquer the Dominion.

So what do those arrayed against the Dominion have now?

...Dragons.

Once you finish the Skyrim MQ, you vanquished Alduin, you demonstrated your Thu'um was strongest. Like Odahviing, it's likely many other dragons will heed your call to arms.

Dragons won't be enough to topple the Dominion and Odahviing is the only one who will fight for u. The others have gone on to either learn the way of the voice or remain hostile to other life forms

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:05 am

I actually don't think the Argonians are that strong. They only decided to invade Morrowind after they were decimated by Red Year anyway.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:33 pm

People make too much out of the Argonian assault on Morrowind, really. The Dunmer were essentially fighting a post-apocalyptic war for survival, with no government, no institutions, and no army, after centuries of sectarian in-fighting and House conflict - and still they stopped the Argonians getting more than halfway into the province. If the Argonians contribute anything to the war on either side, it will be a few belated incursions into Cyrodiil or Elsweyr.

Odahviing is the only one who will fight for u

Lore-wise, that's quite an asset. Dragons have incredible power in lore, not like the easily-slain ones we encounter in-game. One could easily sway a decisive battle, and one decisive battle is all it takes. Odahviing was one of the strongest dragons anyway.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:28 am

The Argonians would have to do a lot of breeding to raise an army big enough to take the Imperial city.

We have no idea how their breeding even works. For all we know the Hist can mass-produce them from seed pods: even if they breed sixually like any other species, we have some idea that the Hist can alter their biology to suit their purposes, I don't see why they couldn't also dial up their breeding a notch or two.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:37 am

People make too much out of the Argonian assault on Morrowind, really. The Dunmer were essentially fighting a post-apocalyptic war for survival, with no government, no institutions, and no army, after centuries of sectarian in-fighting and House conflict - and still they stopped the Argonians getting more than halfway into the province. If the Argonians contribute anything to the war on either side, it will be a few belated incursions into Cyrodiil or Elsweyr.

Lore-wise, that's quite an asset. Dragons have incredible power in lore, not like the easily-slain ones we encounter in-game. One could easily sway a decisive battle, and one decisive battle is all it takes. Odahviing was one of the strongest dragons anyway.

yes he's strong but he's not on the level of a Brass God, which is what it took last time. And according to some accounts the Altmer are still holding off Talo's assault in different dimensions. I just don't think one dragon is enough to topple their empire

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:49 am

The Dragonborn is. The strongest tongue? Thats a game changer right there. He eats dragons and dragons eat people. Hes an apex predator who also might own wuthraad.

He also either united Skyrim or the empire and has a red dragon by his side. odahviing is like a giant flying, fire breathing lizard.

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:50 am

The Argonians would probably not interfere unless provoked. I'd imagine, because of their relationship with The Hist, that they wouldn't do anything unless their homeland and The Hist were threatened. If that were to happen, The Hist would probably ask The Argonians to defend their homeland, and they would do so gladly. We are after all talking about the race that singlehandedly kicked the ass of Mehrunes Dagon's army, to the point that they had to shut the gates in Black Marsh and stop the invasion there.

The Hist don't ask Argonians to do anything, they make them do it.

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:03 am

The Hist can mind control the Argonians whenever they want to. It's ultimately the Hist's decision, and considering the Hist don't have anything to lose, as they wont be the guys dying on the front lines, they might just get involved.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:22 am

The Hist can mind control the Argonians whenever they want to. It's ultimately the Hist's decision, and considering the Hist don't have anything to lose, as they wont be the guys dying on the front lines, they might just get involved.

The idea of an Argonian army marching in to Skyrim or even Cyrodiil is laughable and the concept of them getting anywhere near the Summerset Isles is ridiculous. They don't fare well when they stray too far out of the Black Marsh. They couldn't even take all of Morrowind.

Aside from that the Hist have had nothing to lose for a very long time (the idea of any other races' armies marching through Black Marsh is as insane as Argonians in the previously mentioned situations), yet they don't tend to get involved in outside affairs.

Although, I have no idea how the Thalmor's true motives might affect them, so maybe there's something there?

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:03 pm

Well yeah. The argonians would be slaughtered. They are strong swimmers and can breathe water though. I wonder if they could make a navy. And I think the Argonians could take the khajiit, though the desert would make it hard on them. As for anything else, all I can see is a navy.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:12 am

Meh I doubt the Argonians could really tip the scales of this war significantly, though who knows. There strength is in their homeland, beyond it there strength is far less, on top of that they seem more the cautious type, it took the crashing of a moon and eruption of a super volcano first beating down the Dunmer for them to attack Morrowind after how ever many centuries of past slavery. I can't see them wanting to get involved in the massive conflict between the empire and Thalmor.

I actually don't think the Argonians are that strong. They only decided to invade Morrowind after they were decimated by Red Year anyway.

"Martin and the Empire didn't beat [Dagon] in Black Marsh, the An-Xileel did. When the gates opened, Argonians poured into Oblivion with such fury and might, Dagon's lieutenants had to close them."―Mere-Glim

This kind of resistance occurred in no other province. Regardless of whether or not you attribute the victory to the Hist; they weren't even within Tamriel when they defeated the Daedra.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:13 am

This kind of resistance occurred in no other province. Regardless of whether or not you attribute the victory to the Hist; they weren't even within Tamriel when they defeated the Daedra.

They didn't just fight in the Deadlands, and they could still travel between the deadlands and the Black Marsh (relatively) easily.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:09 am

The argonians will never attempt at attacking cyrodiil and the dominion, the most they would do is attack caravans that accidently got to close or traders or bandits trying to enter the country. Argonia is a more hostile place since the 3rd empire died, they trust no one and are extremely territorial as well as isolationists not even the East Empire company ships can enter a port in Argonia without being attacked.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:27 pm

The Hist don't ask Argonians to do anything, they make them do it.

How do you know this? We don't fully understand the relationship between the Argonians and The Hist.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:57 am

The Argonian worship the hist fanatically but they can also break apart from the hist.