Armor for a WWII Solidier Character Build?

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:19 pm

Well I am making a character build and I was wondering what would be a good armor for this type of character. I prefer not to run around the Mojave in NCR armor though.
User avatar
Saul C
 
Posts: 3405
Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:41 pm

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:42 am

Well I am making a character build and I was wondering what would be a good armor for this type of character. I prefer not to run around the Mojave in NCR armor though.

Normal combat armour and combat helmet i s'pose
User avatar
Anna Beattie
 
Posts: 3512
Joined: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:59 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:35 am

Combat armour doesn't look like anything WWII soldier wears.......

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Roving_trader_outfit resembles combat engineer/weapon crew fatigue.
User avatar
Flesh Tunnel
 
Posts: 3409
Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:43 pm

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:43 am

Maybe : Roving Trader Outfit and Combat Helmet or NCR helmet.
User avatar
David Chambers
 
Posts: 3333
Joined: Fri May 18, 2007 4:30 am

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:27 pm

reinforced leather armor and a combat helmet.
User avatar
noa zarfati
 
Posts: 3410
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:54 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:14 am

Combat armour doesn't look like anything WWII soldier wears.......

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Roving_trader_outfit resembles combat engineer/weapon crew fatigue.


It kinda reminds me of the paratrooper gear
User avatar
Alycia Leann grace
 
Posts: 3539
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:07 pm

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:05 pm

NCR, roving trader, Raider badlands ( on a female build it looks a lot like a cut off afrika campaign garb imo, and is pretty much the same on a male build ).

Beret's, Merc Grunt, wasteland doctors / surgeon.
User avatar
Kat Lehmann
 
Posts: 3409
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:24 am

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:26 pm

Josh said the inspiration for the NCR armors were a little bit WWII Afrika Corps and a smidgen WWI Australian uniforms. Couple that with the NCR MP helmet, which is similar to that used by all UK and Commonwealth forces as well as early US forces and you've got yourself a winner. 9MM Browning GP34, This Machine, Flamer, combat knife, Automatic Rifle would all be appropriate weapons.

-Gunny out.
User avatar
Kate Murrell
 
Posts: 3537
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:02 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:20 am

Well I am making a character build and I was wondering what would be a good armor for this type of character. I prefer not to run around the Mojave in NCR armor though.



Soldiers in WWII did not have Armor. Even their metal helmets were not going to stop any shrapnel or bullets. All they had were clothes. Armor on a modern soldier did not really appear until the Vietnam War. Of course there were Flak Jackets worn by WWII Pilots, but they were too big and bulky for ground combat.

In this game, the NCR Clothing is close to WWII combat clothes. Merc Grunt is a good non NCR armor.
User avatar
Jaki Birch
 
Posts: 3379
Joined: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:16 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:10 am

NCR Bandoleer armor would be the closest thing I can think of.
User avatar
Red Sauce
 
Posts: 3431
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:35 pm

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:20 pm

Soldiers in WWII did not have Armor. Even their metal helmets were not going to stop any shrapnel or bullets. All they had were clothes. Armor on a modern soldier did not really appear until the Vietnam War. Of course there were Flak Jackets worn by WWII Pilots, but they were too big and bulky for ground combat.

Of course they were using body armour:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN-42

http://www.gunscity.ru/uploads/posts/2008-10/1223766850_metro-sn-42b.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdJtVAmcCBs
User avatar
Aliish Sheldonn
 
Posts: 3487
Joined: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:19 am

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:14 pm

Josh said the inspiration for the NCR armors were a little bit WWII Afrika Corps and a smidgen WWI Australian uniforms. Couple that with the NCR MP helmet, which is similar to that used by all UK and Commonwealth forces as well as early US forces and you've got yourself a winner. 9MM Browning GP34, This Machine, Flamer, combat knife, Automatic Rifle would all be appropriate weapons.

-Gunny out.

This... :foodndrink:
User avatar
Stacy Hope
 
Posts: 3391
Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:23 am

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:16 pm

Actually, Use Roving Trader Outfit and a first recon beret, there you have a british para (:
Then use the 9mm with a combat knife and either the 9mm SMG (Grease Gun) or This Machine (m1 Garand)
Even though both weapons are american but eh, nevermind ;)
User avatar
Nick Swan
 
Posts: 3511
Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:34 pm

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:28 am

WWII? 300 years late are we?
User avatar
Alan Cutler
 
Posts: 3163
Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:59 am

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:17 pm

Combat Armor would be perfect for WW2 armor because your in the Fallout universe. In the fallout universe they may have used Combat Armor in WW2
User avatar
Miranda Taylor
 
Posts: 3406
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:39 pm

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:24 pm

Of course they were using body armour:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN-42

http://www.gunscity.ru/uploads/posts/2008-10/1223766850_metro-sn-42b.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdJtVAmcCBs



As stated in the article you linked me to, there was only one version put into production, and it was not practical for the troops to use in most combat scenarios other than urban battles. Only a few in the Russian Army used this stuff, and most troops took it off after a short period of time. This Russian Armor was heavy. Besides, that stuff looks like something a Raider or Super Mutant would cobble together.

So, to clarify what I said earlier, there was no practical body armor in WWII. Even the stuff offered in Vietnam was not practical as it was so heavy. It is only recently with Ceramics that they can get an armor that is effective and light enough to be worn by combat troops in the field.
User avatar
Bones47
 
Posts: 3399
Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:15 pm

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:54 am

Josh said the inspiration for the NCR armors were a little bit WWII Afrika Corps and a smidgen WWI Australian uniforms. Couple that with the NCR MP helmet, which is similar to that used by all UK and Commonwealth forces as well as early US forces and you've got yourself a winner. 9MM Browning GP34, This Machine, Flamer, combat knife, Automatic Rifle would all be appropriate weapons.

-Gunny out.


Don't forget that the 22. silenced smg look like a american-180, wich would look cool together with the british paratrooper idea.
User avatar
Heather M
 
Posts: 3487
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:40 am

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:11 pm

Combat Armor would be perfect for WW2 armor because your in the Fallout universe. In the fallout universe they may have used Combat Armor in WW2

Maybe you should read http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffallout.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FDivergence&rct=j&q=the%20fallout%20diveragence&ei=yVojTeH4KYqmuAPv-In-DQ&usg=AFQjCNGp2WeMjWJA2j5BtCGJChiKe6kluQ&sig2=l0J7mpAvMq0LE5nIgQJt9w&cad=rja.

British Paratrooper with an American-180? I rather have a rig-rug rifle.
User avatar
D IV
 
Posts: 3406
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:32 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:58 am

As stated in the article you linked me to, there was only one version put into production, and it was not practical for the troops to use in most combat scenarios other than urban battles. Only a few in the Russian Army used this stuff, and most troops took it off after a short period of time. This Russian Armor was heavy. Besides, that stuff looks like something a Raider or Super Mutant would cobble together.

So, to clarify what I said earlier, there was no practical body armor in WWII. Even the stuff offered in Vietnam was not practical as it was so heavy. It is only recently with Ceramics that they can get an armor that is effective and light enough to be worn by combat troops in the field.


It was mass produced, standardised and issued to assault engineers and some other combat troops. Used in combat. It was not some experimental stuff. I really don't know how else can you define "practical". There are other examples of WWII combat armour:

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61956

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_vest#World_War_II
User avatar
Jade Barnes-Mackey
 
Posts: 3418
Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:29 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:39 am

It was mass produced, standardised and issued to assault engineers and some other combat troops. Used in combat. It was not some experimental stuff. I really don't know how else can you define "practical". There are other examples of WWII combat armour:

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61956

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_vest#World_War_II


If you are trying to refute me, then you need to pick different articles:


From the article you posted

Early in 1944, as a result of growing indifference on the part of military theatres and army commanders together with the very small demands placed by them for these suits of armour, the initial order for half a million sets was reduced to 300,000 sets, of which some 79,000 only were issued, 65,000 to the RAF and 15,000 to the Army in all theatres, the majority going to the 21st Army Group where the major portion was allocated to the Airborne Divison. (2) The Army in Italy had no requirments except for some 300 sets for Royal Engineers personnel on special duties. The remaining stocks were held in War Office depots and were never issued.

From the other article you posted

In the early stages of World War II, the United States designed body armor for infantrymen, but most models were too heavy and mobility-restricting to be useful in the field and incompatible with existing required equipment. The military diverted its research efforts to developing flak jackets for aircraft crews. These jackets were made of nylon fabric and capable of stopping flak and shrapnel, but were not designed to stop bullets.

Out of the 10's of Millions of Soldiers fighting on the Allied side, I would hardly call 15,000 sets of body armor prevelant or common. Or, even Mass Produced when compared to the quantities of uniforms, shoes, belts and other kit that was typically given to soldiers. Body Armor was availible to about .075% of the troops. Now, Flak Jackets were quite common, but that was for air crews and pilots where individual mobility was not a concern.

At best, you can call Body Armor in WWII a failed experiment. There was no widespread use, and even when issued in the very limited amounts it was, most soldiers would not use it as it slowed them down to much and it did not offer much protection.

It was only during the Vietnam War that Body Armor became practical and it's use started being more common.
User avatar
Matt Fletcher
 
Posts: 3355
Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:48 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:18 am

WWII? 300 years late are we?


^^ This.
User avatar
Darrell Fawcett
 
Posts: 3336
Joined: Tue May 22, 2007 12:16 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:57 am

unfortunately im going to have to say that NCR armor is your best bet.
if you want to improve on it, pick up the bandoleer armor, if your on the 360, pick up dead money, apply the (green regular) Beret, and use the BAR, looks abit like the Green beret's

other than that id suggest using the Roving Trader Outfit
User avatar
anna ley
 
Posts: 3382
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:04 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:42 am

Soldiers in WWII did not have Armor. Even their metal helmets were not going to stop any shrapnel or bullets. All they had were clothes. Armor on a modern soldier did not really appear until the Vietnam War. Of course there were Flak Jackets worn by WWII Pilots, but they were too big and bulky for ground combat.

In this game, the NCR Clothing is close to WWII combat clothes. Merc Grunt is a good non NCR armor.


the germans helmets from ww1 and ww2 could stop a .45 acp and most shrapnel and was lighter than any allied, sort of irrelevant, just sayin.
User avatar
Kelly Upshall
 
Posts: 3475
Joined: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:26 pm

Post » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:37 pm

the germans helmets from ww1 and ww2 could stop a .45 acp and most shrapnel and was lighter than any allied, sort of irrelevant, just sayin.



The Germans did have good steel. The Allied helmets did offer some protection but not like the Kevlar ones that they have today.
User avatar
Devin Sluis
 
Posts: 3389
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:22 am

Post » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:44 am

Maybe you should read http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffallout.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FDivergence&rct=j&q=the%20fallout%20diveragence&ei=yVojTeH4KYqmuAPv-In-DQ&usg=AFQjCNGp2WeMjWJA2j5BtCGJChiKe6kluQ&sig2=l0J7mpAvMq0LE5nIgQJt9w&cad=rja.

British Paratrooper with an American-180? I rather have a rig-rug rifle.


In my eyes the 22. SMG looks the most like a tompson of all the weapons in the game. correct me if iam wrong but english soldiers used a smal amount of tompsons in the early stages of the war until they made the STEN.
User avatar
P PoLlo
 
Posts: 3408
Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:05 am

Next

Return to Fallout: New Vegas