Okay people, idea here is to set up a realistic army to fight the Thalmor in the second war from one of your characters. Give an explanation for each faction!

Here's mine:

The Dragonborn ( Sergius Durrant )

Bandits (Amassed by coin)

Imperials (Obvious)

Dragons ( Subdued by the Dragonborn)

Khajiit resistance

Bosmer resistance

Altmer resistance

Dark Brotherhood ( Hired for A LOT of money)

Companions (See above)

Fighters guild ( Again, see above)

My Dragonborn (Kath)
Draugr - Kath like raising Draugr to fight for her.
Durnehviir, Odahviing and any that Kath can control. Odahviing would be in charge of the dragons.
Stormcloaks
empire (falls during the war)
Redguards
Forsworn (Give Markarth to the king in rags if Forsworn help in the 2nd great war)
Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit resistance
Ebony warrior (Kath can fight him after the war... if they both survive it)

i would say:

The Dragonborn (Horkvir Ice-Mane)

Vilja(Mod)

The Stormcloaks

Some Dragons ( i would say his names but then i don′t want to spoil anyone) and maybe other ones

And other people who would do it for saving Tamriel from Thalmor Supremacy.

"Bring me every health potion in the land!"

you are mistaken...

the Empire has no love for the Thalmor, only reason they signed the WGC is to give them time to rebuild there forces after "the Battle of the Red Ring".. the Emperor never planned for the treaty to last, only for it to give him time to rebuild his forces before taking the assault to the Thalmor..
but then the CW began, and any forces the Empire did reacquire were sent to skyrim to maintain its Stability..

The Empire is far from on the Thalmors side.. actually, if they didn't have to deal with Skyrims political Mess, they probably would be planning their attack...


you can support whoever you want in the CW/GW threads, however the Empire is in no means the Thalmors ally...

they are also far from Neutral.. they neither like nor trust the Dominion, they only signed the WGC to have time to rebuild their forces, an action that was rendered useless due to the CW breaking out..

do you seriously believe the Empire would assist those trying to "unbind the dragon"?


I don't care what side someone argues for in all honesty, as long as they can back up their claim with lore and facts.. saying the Empire do not see the Thalmor as their enemies however is just pure Hogwash

That was from the past. Seeing Tullius butt-licking the Thalmor whenever he has the chance makes me think otherwise...

Besides, even if that was true, the Thalmor aren't stupid enough as to allow a leashed enemy to regenerate. So I wouldn't put my faith too high about it. IMO, all the Empire is doing by now is stalling the true resistance (Nords, Redguards, amongst others), and so far they haven't shown the slightest intention of contacting them, or to lead them. IF they even have the intention of doing it at all, of course.

If that's all the Empire can do, as supposed leaders against the Thalmor as they're, then all the reaction you can expect from those who REALLY fight the Thalmor is a very-big facepalm.

anyways heres mine:


Dragonborn

the Nerevarine (since he was immune to ageing, he may still be alive in Akavir, with an era's worth of Combat experience, not to mention the Akaviri have something very Similar to the Thu'um.. can't remember the name of it (a cookie to whoever reminds me) of which the Nerevarine has had more then enough time to master)

Bandits (promised Pardons if they survive)

Imperial Legion

Stormcloaks

Thieves Guild (for Espianoge)

Dark Brotherhood (for Military Ambush)

Hammerfell

Companions (paid in full)

Fighters Guild (paid in full)

College of Winterhold (basically walking Seige Weaponry, promised any artifacts they find)

Synod Order (same as above)

College of Whisperers (same as above)

The Knights of the Nine (Thalmor don't allow Talos Worship, thats more then enough to get the KotN on your side)

Black Marsh (Naval Sabotage.. go udnerwater, approach the Ship, attack or sink it).

Various Resistance forces from Dominion controlled zones (so Rogue Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajiit)




i did not put Morrowind on this list, because as things stand now, I see the Dunmer more likely to side with the Dominion...

According to Malborn, the Dumner doesn't care a **** about the Thalmor. And so that's where he escapes if you kill the Thalmor assasin waiting for him outside Windhelm.

when has Tullius ever "butt licked" the Thalmor.. ohh thats right, he hasn't..

and its not from the past, the WGC was only signed 4E 175 which is only 26 years ago, thats not that long ago from a political perspective...

and the Empire is not "leashed". they have to in no way report to the Dominion. The Dominion may have Embassies and send ambassadors to cities, but that in no way means the Empire is "leashed"..


and the Nords and Reguards are not "true resistance", and the Empire is in no way "stalling" them.. the Redguards gave up the pursuit as soon as they Pushed the Dominion out of their Borders.. and all the Nords are really doing is weakening the Imperials forces while the Empire is trying to rebuild a strong enough force to make an assault on the Thalmor realistically viable...


Seriously, please look into things before you start making allegations...


I don't care who you side with, as both sides have pros and cons, as long as you back up your Info with lore and facts...

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And his http://i.imgur.com/D2PvcSr.jpg

Odahving leading the Dragons + Durnehiir

Then, after mastering Bend will and other naughty knowledge from his Lord, Hermaues Mora, the rest of Skyrim will be enslaved and forced to fight the Thalmor on his terms. As punishment for starting and furthering the civil war, BOTH Ulfric and Tullius are tortured and executed on public display.

Fin.

Well on that account, Stormcloak Skyrim is at best Neutral, and at worst pro-Thalmor since the Thalmor have demonstrated they know how to manipulate him into doing what they want. Witness the Markarth Incident, giving them justification to directly enforce the Talos ban, botching the Empire's attempt to turn a blind eye. Witness also the sundering of Skyrim with civil war, weakening the both Skyrim and the Empire at large. Did you not read the Dossier?

I will acknowledge this "Thalmor Toady Empire" silliness if you will allow the "Ulfric Thalmor Unwitting Pawn" silliness. Fair?

Quite like this ideas to win the Thalmor

- He attends the Thalmor party if he's alive at that point of the MQ.

- He's seen talking with the Thalmor at the beginning of the game.

- He tries to keep Elenwen inside the peace negociations between Imperials and Stormcloaks at that point of the MQ.

...ooh, that's right, he haaaasn't.... ??

-And he doesn't want to be there.

-Because the Thalmor were there to make a last ditch effort to save Ulfric from the chopping block so he can continue unwittingly weakening Skyrim and the Empire. Again, did you even read the dossier?

-And he doesn't want her there either. And she was there to push Ulfric's angry buttons.

Unlike Ulfric, he is at least aware of the Thalmor machinations. Ulfric is as blind as ever that the Thalmor are the ones pushing his angry buttons.

You can be assured that the Empire will come to blows with the Thalmor... which will have to happen later since the Thalmor succeeded in getting Ulfric to delay the re-arming.

Instead of starting another boring Great War II, I would prefer to defeat the Thalmor with factions that have been given little exposure.

For instance, the Thalmor can be toppled from within by Maomer-backed insurgents or led by a champion hand-chosen by the Psijics. The PC can choose which of these factions to join.

The problem is that a Fifth Column needs four other columns around the enemy to be effective. Someone needs to be kicking in the Thalmor's front door in order for someone sneaking in the back to be effective, metaphorically speaking.

do you even know what Butt-licking is?

- it was a political function, and as the head of the Legion within Skyrim, it was his duty to be there, even though he says he doesn't want to be...
- really? he was talking to her because she was there... as an Ambassador to the Dominion she wanted to see with her own eyes if the leader of the Political uprising that only helps the Dominion truly is going to be executed.. if talking to someone is Butt-licking then I guess I'll cut my tongue out
- Like i said, the Dominion wants the CW to continue, as such she insists to be present at a negotiation that may be the end of the whole thing.. Similar to how an Ambassador from a nation IRL will sit in on negotiations between other nations

Tullius was in no way brownnoseing to the Dominion


Anyways, can we get off this whole argument and back to the thread at hand?

True, and the 4 other columns can be the Maomeri Navy.

And the reason why I don't want the other 4 to be the Empire, Redguards, Kingdom of Skyrim, et cetera is because I am a bit burned out on the whole Man versus Elves trope.

Stormcloaks for the fighting force

Redguards for the navy

Mercenaries as auxliaries

Dark Brotherhood for pin point assassinations. As my character leads them etc

Bosmer, Altmer, and Khajiit freedom fighters that attack the Dominion from within.

Lol, thats funny as I find that boring. I'd rather that happen at least after they'd been removed from mainland Tamriel. Then in Alinor, they can be taken down from within.

You just added some spaces.

And it'd just replace one Elven threat from Summerset with another. The Maormer have no love for the mainlanders either.

The Dragonborn (Sara Beauchamp) would be in command.

At least two dragons (Odahviing and Durnehviir) would accompany at all times.

The Imperial Legion would serve as the main body of the army.

Mercenaries would serve as auxiliaries.

Everything would be done to ignite rebellion in Elsweyr and Valenwood.

The Blades would be reinstated and offered the chance to serve, gathering intelligence within the Dominion with the Penitus Oculatus.

Every Imperial province would provide their navies.

And no doubt the Redguards would seize the opportunity to launch their own attack on the Dominion.

One does not simply walk into Summerset Isle.

No love, but also no zealous hate either.