The only "complex" thing about IMCN is that you have to pay attention to what you eat, but it's supposed to be intuitive. If you're protein's low, eat meat. If your nutrient's are low, eat fruit or veggies, or foods that you have the associated perk for (insect meat and entemologist, punga fruit and Punga Power, wine and party boy/girl, etc...). Calories and water are pretty normal, except that wearing power armor will reduce your requirements significantly (at least until I get my IMCN/PPA patch put together, then it will be a little more subtle).

This is not going to be exactly like Real Injuries, and I'm don't plan on having a config menu . . . at least not at first.
The idea is to create an Injury/Needs module that compliments the rest of my Realism Tweaks . . . so this is going to be a bit harsh. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to handle food and water . . . but my feelings are that neither should heal you, at least not directly. And sleep should not heal you completely, especially when you have crippled limbs.

Those are indeed natural works though there'd have to be indicators for the status of these needs.
I don't see ART cluttering your HUD with status bars.
But having visual and audio indicators for the stats.
Although that can only get you so far.
Text messages are an option as well, of course.

What's your approach going to be Arwen?

When you are thirsty, you get fatigued much faster, while when you're hungry, you deal much less damage with melee/unarmed attacks. If you don't drink or eat for very long time, you cant aim as well as you can when well fed, you can only walk (or run very slowly) and you must rest often.

I'm fine with something like http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11329. For the needs I'd rather have a good status bar.

Otherwise if you were to use audio/visual indicators for all that, taking in account the audio/visual effects the mod already has now, I think the full ART mod with all the audio/visual effects active would be a confusing a mix of overlapping sound and visual effects.


Since ART increases the importance of your special stats and the disadvantages of having low stats, I think much of this can still be achieved with simple SPECIAL penalties. Lower strength will bring you closer to the encumbrance limit, making you tired faster and walk slower, and a lower agility also makes you walk slower.

As for limbs, I agree with you. I think they should slowly heal while resting, maybe less (or not at all) if you're going to sleep while hungry/thirsty. But sleeping shouldn't heal crippled limbs. This is how PN/RI does it too and I like that.

I also have some ideas regarding thirst but I'll post those later.

Those are indeed natural works though there'd have to be indicators for the status of these needs.
I don't see ART cluttering your HUD with status bars.
But having visual and audio indicators for the stats.
Although that can only get you so far.
Text messages are an option as well, of course.
What's your approach going to be Arwen?

As confusing as the RipNo deally happened to be I think adding yours(arwen) as an optional for us still using it, would be much appreciated. On a side note. Whilst play testing RipNo for Orfevs. He wanted to take everything in it and the stuff he worked on. Making his own separate mod. So instead of the thing being a "patch". It would be everything all in one shabang =)
Haven't talking with him since I got off the net, several months ago however. So I do not know at present what he plans on doing.

Remove the "restore health" effect from the stimpack entirely, and replace it with a scripted effect. Then you can "restoreav health 0.02 * getsecondspassed" or whatever in the scripteffectupdate block (obviously that would be ridiculously slow, but you can set it to whatever you want). When you set up the script effect, you need to leave "duration" checked, because it's what determines how long the scripteffectupdate block continues to be executed. Then you could even make the healing rate adjustable via menu, possibly with a penalty for doing so - get 20 HP over 30 seconds, or 30 HP over 60 seconds, etc.

Best of luck to you Arwen. Has anyone used Triange with ART? I'd like to use PI or a simplified Complex needs but I supposed I'll wait for another golden mod from Arwen.

Those are indeed natural works though there'd have to be indicators for the status of these needs.
I don't see ART cluttering your HUD with status bars.
But having visual and audio indicators for the stats.
Although that can only get you so far.
Text messages are an option as well, of course.

What's your approach going to be Arwen?

Well, you can tweak the food to restore SPECIAL stats (over time and a little, and only if it makes your hunger go away), and damaging them if you don't eat for long, the same for water.
When you are thirsty, you get fatigued much faster, while when you're hungry, you deal much less damage with melee/unarmed attacks. If you don't drink or eat for very long time, you cant aim as well as you can when well fed, you can only walk (or run very slowly) and you must rest often.
Sleeping could make your headache go away, but cannot heal you. If you have a leg crippled, it stays crippled, no matter if you slept for two entire days or for an hour. You must cure your crippled limb in the appropriate way. Maybe for the sake of gamplay you could allow a 50%HP cap for healing during sleep.
Those were just thoughts, anyway, maybe some are really impossible to play xD.
EDIT: the first time I added this post, I added only the quote... I am a total noob :facepalm:

Now an Off-topic thing:
Your site is down, it says that you should renew your account. Maybe you knew already, but just in case....

You could always give odd audio cues. Like a bell or something. Explain it in a menu...Maybe a moo for protein. Like meat? I dunno.

And Imp, I love the messages. freakin hilarious.

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I'm fine with something like http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11329. For the needs I'd rather have a good status bar.

Otherwise if you were to use audio/visual indicators for all that, taking in account the audio/visual effects the mod already has now, I think the full ART mod with all the audio/visual effects active would be a confusing a mix of overlapping sound and visual effects.

Since ART increases the importance of your special stats and the disadvantages of having low stats, I think much of this can still be achieved with simple SPECIAL penalties. Lower strength will bring you closer to the encumbrance limit, making you tired faster and walk slower, and a lower agility also makes you walk slower. As for limbs, I agree with you. I think they should slowly heal while resting, maybe less (or not at all) if you're going to sleep while hungry/thirsty. But sleeping shouldn't heal crippled limbs. This is how PN/RI does it too and I like that. I also have some ideas regarding thirst but I'll post those later.

Started a new game with Arwen's tweaks and did research to make sure my load order was perfect. One thing I noticed is that the enemies are not as smart as arwen stated. They take cover while firing and arent in the open, but when im doing stealth kills with a non-silenced weapon, like a shotgun, they dont take much notice to the shots and to the fact that one of their brethren has died. There have been numerous occasions in interiors where I have snuck around, killed enemies with 1 or 2 shots with the shotgun and to find out minutes later that there are other enemies in the vicinity that do not know about my presence.
Also with stimpaks, almost every container that carries stimpaks has at least one. I thought with arwen's tweaks, they are supposed to be much more rare?

SMARTER AI & STEALTH

- I have spent a great deal of time trying to balance out all the Combat AI and Stealth settings to mess together with all my other changes. The end result is a unique set of tweaks that totally changes the way NPCs react during combat. If you are used to the default combat, it will actually feel like the NPCs have suddenly become much smarter. Combat will now be MUCH tougher.
- NPCs are much more likely to take cover during combat, will reload under cover, search for cover while moving towards you, and will often fire from cover. They will now dodge much more realistically (are much less able to dodge bullets). They will now open ammo boxes and containers to equip themselves with better weapons and explosives. You'll now be competing more with the NPCs, so these items will now be much harder to come by.
- Many NPCs and Creatures will flee/retreat to survive (much less likely to make suicidal attacks). Super Mutants, Raiders, and Talon Company members are less likely to flee. NPCs will still be really aggressive during combat, and the ones that do flee, should attempt to take cover further away (instead of just cowering in front of you) and they should remain hidden for quite a bit longer . . . but they should eventually get up enough courage to return to combat. And Super Mutants are now even more aggressive . . . in sort of an extreme type-A personality way.
- NPCs are now much less predictable. For example, snipers will now wait up to 35 seconds before firing (increased from an 11 sec. maximum wait in the default game). So just because it seems quiet out there, you can no longer be sure that an NPC is not just waiting patiently for you to walk out into the open.
- Most NPCs and Creatures are now more likely to stop attacking after their victim is rendered unconscious . . . which means they will now focus more on conscious enemies like former Vault Dwellers. The exceptions are the Super Mutants Melee, Raider Melee, and Talon Company . . . who are all now more likely to attack unconscious victims.
- Followers' combat behavior was improved, to be less suicidal, but this was done in a way that still permits my mod to be compatible with Companion Behaviour Overhaul. (I haven't noticed any problems in my own game, but I've only tested it so far with just Dog Meat).
- Sneaking is now much more realistic, making stealth game play more effective, but also more difficult (especially with low Sneak skills during the brightest time of day). It is now easier to remain hidden in darkness/shadows; and it is now possible to re-hide after being detected (but it can be very difficult to re-hide, once the enemy locks on to you). And turning on your PipBoy Light now greatly reduces your ability to remain undetected. And your sneak skill level is now a much greater factor in your ability to remain undetected, and your Perception stat is now a much greater factor in your ability to sense enemies further away.
- But your PipBoy Light is finally a decent light which will now enable you to find your way, even on the darkest night. The light is now nearly 3 times brighter, illuminates twice the radius, but has much less glare (so you will not be blinded by an indoor light that is way too intense).
- My Dynamic Stealth Script: Uses separate stealth values for interiors vs. exteriors, time of day now dynamically affects your ability to avoid detection (finally makes it just as hard for the NPCs to see you in the dark), and weather conditions now dynamically affects your ability to avoid detection (you will be a bit harder to spot when it is cloudy, and even harder to spot when it is raining or snowing, and very hard to spot on a rainy/snowy night).
- NPCs will be a bit more alert to your presence, will stay alert longer, will spend more time looking for you, and will search a much greater area for you (up to 4 times further than in the default game). NPCs will detect you if they get close (they will no longer stand right in front of you without seeing you). And when you are hiding in the shadows, the enemy will detect you if you move when they are nearby.
- Doubled the detection of noise that you make while sneaking. Running makes 3 times more noise than when walking - unless player has Silent Running perk (default was only 50% more). But it is now easier to be stealthy when wearing lighter armor (under 11 pounds), while it is now much more difficult to be stealthy when wearing heavier armor (over 11 pounds). Plus NPCs will now sleep a bit sounder - they will not wake up quite as easy when you are nearby
- NPCs will now respond to explosions from much further away (2.5 times the distance in the default game). And if you fire a gun, anyone nearby will know exactly where you are (no more picking off enemies one at a time, while they all just stand there). But guns with silencers will not give away your location, unless NPCs are very close (they will focus their search on where the bullet hit, which you can use to distract them).

NPCs will now respond to explosions from much further away (2.5 times the distance in the default game). And if you fire a gun, anyone nearby will know exactly where you are (no more picking off enemies one at a time, while they all just stand there). But guns with silencers will not give away your location, unless NPCs are very close (they will focus their search on where the bullet hit, which you can use to distract them).

I wasn't aware that there's a "perfect load order" or that there is a perfect combination of mods, or that there is even a perfect mod. Fallout 3 is not perfect, so modders like me are just building upon imperfection . . . Tweaking and patching as best they can. The best you can really hope for is something that seem to work pretty well most of the time. Most users of my Realism Tweaks are generally pretty happy with what I have done.

Im still having problems with detection though, firing my weapons should get the attention of every enemy in the vicinity, shouldnt it?

as even opening a door will alert nearby NPCs (but only the ones who are semi-close).

You'll probably like v.4.9 better, as even opening a door will alert nearby NPCs (but only the ones who are semi-close).

Just a thought, but if you're really going for realism, people would not be able to survive, or remain fully active after anyway, getting shot just once. This being a sci-fi game though there's got to be a future-tech-plausible way around that. If you were constantly being injected with some sort of nano-healer or other miracle drug, you could maybe last through the punishment that the typical fallout character needs to take in order for the game to remain playable. Maybe that could somehow be incorporated, with very adverse consequences if you run out? It's really the only way you could explain the gradual healing of wounds within a reasonable time frame.