Ask Us Anything: Daggerfall Covenant (Part 1) : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:29 am

Here we go guys. The Daggerfall Covenant: http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2013/01/07/ask-us-anything-daggerfall-covenant-part-1

/discuss

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:37 pm

We already talked about it a little bit in the ES: O thread, so something should be moved somewhere...whether from that thread to this, or this thread to that, whatever.

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:06 pm

We already talked about it a little bit in the ES: O thread, so something should be moved somewhere...whether from that thread to this, or this thread to that, whatever.

I just thought it would be better to discuss the Daggerfall Covetant on a dedicated thread.

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:41 pm

It’s definitely an alliance of convenience, much as when the Nords and Orcs marched to the aid of the Dwarves at the Battle of Red Mountain.

I'm sorry, what? Excuse me? The Nords and the Orcs skipped merrily to Red Mountain to fight with the Dwemer? Did I miss something?

Also I disagree with Orcs having an inferiority complex *and craving respect*. Bull[SEHT]. The Orcs could care less what the other races think, especially when it's negative. They're outcasts, and don't expect anyone to help or like them.

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:06 am

Sooooo... Moving my concerns here:

1. Breton side:
I should've used better formatting =P "What is the "Breton Lion Guard"?" Is it, like, High-Rock wide, supraprovincial? If it is, am I completely stupid or does the text infer it existed before that Emeric moon-and-starred his way into high kingdom?

"When the Breton Lion Guard became High King Emeric’s elite knightly order, he adopted the lion as his personal crest"

If it is a High Rock-wide knightly order and if it did exist before that Nerevar-manteler Emeric came (and outperformed Numidium's future persuasion power), then where did this knightly order come from??

2. Redguard side:

Reading again:
"The Ra Gada that brought the Yokudans to Tamriel began around 1E 800"

"Began"? PGE3 speaks about "an invading fleet called the Ra Gada", PGE1 - about "This vanguard "warrior wave" of Yokudans, the Ra Gada", the name that was later mutated into Redguard.

I hope whoever wrote the Q&A was in a hurry and left out some words, having meant to write something like "the invasion of the Ra Gada", otherwise it sounds as if they're thinking "Ra Gada" is a name for some "jihad" i.e. a type of a holy war...

//Yeah I should change my username to "nitpicker", or better yet, "killjoy"; shame I don't know how that would be in Finnish//

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:22 am

Sooooo... Moving my concerns here:

1. Breton side:
I should've used better formatting =P "What is the "Breton Lion Guard"?" Is it, like, High-Rock wide, supraprovincial? If it is, am I completely stupid or does the text infer it existed before that Emeric moon-and-starred his way into high kingdom?

"When the Breton Lion Guard became High King Emeric’s elite knightly order, he adopted the lion as his personal crest"

If it is a High Rock-wide knightly order and if it did exist before that Nerevar-manteler Emeric came (and outperformed Numidium's future persuasion power), then where did this knightly order come from??

2. Redguard side:

Reading again:
"The Ra Gada that brought the Yokudans to Tamriel began around 1E 800"

"Began"? PGE3 speaks about "an invading fleet called the Ra Gada", PGE1 - about "This vanguard "warrior wave" of Yokudans, the Ra Gada", the name that was later mutated into Redguard.

I hope whoever wrote the Q&A was in a hurry and left out some words, having meant to write something like "the invasion of the Ra Gada", otherwise it sounds as if they're thinking "Ra Gada" is a name for some "jihad" i.e. a type of a holy war...

//Yeah I should change my username to "nitpicker", or better yet, "killjoy"; shame I don't know how that would be in Finnish//

That new lore writer ZOS has, sure knows his stuff. :rolleyes:

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:41 pm

I'm sorry, what? Excuse me? The Nords and the Orcs skipped merrily to Red Mountain to fight with the Dwemer? Did I miss something?

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-five-songs-king-wulfharth

"And the Ash King, Wulfharth, hoary Ysmir, went and made peace with the Orcs in spite of his Nordic blood, and they brought many warriors but no wizards at all. Many Nords could not bring themselves to ally with their traditional enemies, even in the face of Red Mountain. They were close to desertion."

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:19 pm

Bah, should have known there was something. But you can never be too sure with this game, it seems. I suppose I could see it, too. I mean, the Chimer were bigger enemies to the Nords than the Dwemer, so any chance to gut some of them would probably be taken.

I still stand by my point on Orcish outlook.

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:59 am

When the Breton Lion Guard became High King Emeric’s elite knightly order, he adopted the lion as his personal crest, and thereafter it became the martial symbol of the Daggerfall Covenant.

I'd say it more a local Wayrestian Order. Let those of Daggerfall be unhappy. :happy:

As a race, the Orcs have what we would call an inferiority complex. They’ve been kicked around Tamriel and looked down upon by the other races since the beginning of time, and they crave respect. It was a big deal for the Orcs when, in relatively recent history, Orsinium was finally admitted into the Second Empire as a full province. The clans that have joined the Daggerfall Covenant remember that period of recognition, and seek to revive it. The Bretons promised the Orcs could revive Orsinium unmolested, and that once the Covenant re-established the Empire, Orsinium would once again be an Imperial province.

I just wonder why Gortwog ever needed Numidium in the 3rd Era.

It’s definitely an alliance of convenience, much as when the Nords and Orcs marched to the aid of the Dwarves at the Battle of Red Mountain. Individual Bretons and Redguards may not be happy about it, but the residents of their border towns say it’s better to have the Orcs marching against their enemies than raiding their flocks and their farms. The Redguards and Orcs have always respected each other as honorable opponents – and while the Orcs may not trust the Bretons, as a general thing, they do trust King Emeric, who’s proven reliable. And serving side-by-side is building trust between the races.

Why the Redguard felf unhappy, when in 1E 700 the Battle of Red Mountain they even never arrived in Tamriel?

And wasn't exactly the Redguard massacring local Orcs in Hammerfell that led the Orcs running to High Rock to found Orsinium at the first place?

Political alliances and enmities can either mitigate or exaggerate religious differences. The leaders of the Covenant are eager to suppress religious conflicts between Bretons, Redguards, and Orcs in the interest of solidarity. And Orcish leaders, such as King Kurog, emphasize that the Orcs of Orsinium worship Mauloch, who absolutely isn’t a Daedric Prince at all, honest. It’s those other Orcs who worship the Daedra Lord Malacath.

Again, in 3rd Era this "Mauloch" changed his name as "Trinimac o'Gortworg"? Though I do think this setting plausible, if they would dig it deeper.

The Direnni Hegemony, in which High Elves ruled most of what is now the Daggerfall Covenant, was in decline by 1E 500, so it’s a good 3,000 years since the Bretons began home rule in High Rock. When the Redguards arrived in Hammerfell a few centuries later, Clan Direnni had already retreated to Balfiera Island in the Iliac Bay, where they still reside.

So what about now? I really wonder whether the Direnni would play some part during this confliction between DC and AD.

» Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:04 am

"Began"? PGE3 speaks about "an invading fleet called the Ra Gada", PGE1 - about "This vanguard "warrior wave" of Yokudans, the Ra Gada", the name that was later mutated into Redguard.

I hope whoever wrote the Q&A was in a hurry and left out some words, having meant to write something like "the invasion of the Ra Gada", otherwise it sounds as if they're thinking "Ra Gada" is a name for some "jihad" i.e. a type of a holy war...

Ra GaDa means 'Warrior Wave' and is used both for the event and the group.

Also it is much like a Jihad or Crusade. Y'know 'perseverance over infidels' and all that jazz.