What's Foster's? We sure as hell don't sell it over here.

It is an Australian beer, I heared they don't drink it much in Australia they only sell it to Tourists.

No, I do not agree. I think we have gone off topic slightly, Japan is a good example. I've mentioned this several times, you look at South East Asia, it is covered in Islands, moving fleets through there undetected is nearly impossible and invading New Guinea is an exceptionally daunting task considering A force of less than 100 Australians held back over one thousand Japanese Soldiers for three days at Kokoda before pulling back. Anyone defending New Guinea has the upper hand frankly.

Look, honestly there a few major contributing factors here.
The Chinese aren't morons, they read history and they would have looked into the mistakes of the past that the Japanese made. They wouldn't want to make too many enemies and if tensions are already high with the US to the brink of open warfare, I doubt they'd want to bring the Australians into that war as well.

By 1970 and 1980 in our time no one could move large military forces through South East Asia without Indonesia or Australia knowing, if the development of technology had progressed so rapidly in the Fallout universe then this truth would be solid. Any hint of an attack would be detected fairly early.

These are the major features you have to take into account in reference to the events of WW2 and that of a hypothetical situation of China trying to invade Australia.
If you pay attention anything I type here, pay attention to these points.

Have you ever wondered why Japan moved through South East Asia so easily in WW2? Okay, well this starts with Singapore where incredibly stupid military decisions made by the British Commanding Officers lead to the capture of over 16,000 mixed British and Australian troops, valuable troops at that. They were the guys trained for the Jungle. Realistically, had Singapore been defended, and the commanding officers refused to surrender. Singapore would have been the Tobruk of South East Asia. However clumsy defenses lead to its defeat. A very annoying moment in Pacific War history.

Then, to top it off poor intelligence and surveillance of Japanese troop and fleet movements lead to many British and Australian positions falling to sneak attacks, again to the fault of 'Top Brass'.

Lastly, at this stage in Australian history the Military was not a standing professional force, they recruited men when war was on the horizon and gave them professional training before hand. So specialist Jungle Warfare training was not available so that 'Crack' troops could be deployed to counter the Japanese. The Japanese on the other hand, thanks to their very impressive commanders were extremely well equipped for Jungle Warfare carrying compact radios, jungle-resistant kit and all the tactics and know-how necessary for the climates of the pacific.

When the battle for New Guinea was under way, the Japanese were fighting poorly training militia (who still managed to kill many Japs whilst taking little casualties). One notable battalion was the 39th who held the Japanese back all the way along the track until the AIF Veterans from North Africa arrived to relieve them. These men were not trained in Jungle Warfare, they were experts in Desert Warfare (And the Germans will vouch for them).

Over all point; At this stage in time, the Australian Pacific forces were unorganized to meet the Japanese threat, ill-equipped and not proficiently trained to fight in the Jungle.

Now, why does telling you all this matter? Well, it turns out Australians learn rather quickly. Shortly after WW2 Australia enlisted a professional army, and trained a bulk of this force in Jungle Warfare, with better kit and proper tools to fight in such environments. In the 1950's, the Australian SASR was commissioned, Australia's first official Special Forces unit (Besides Z Force in WW2) and went on to be masters of any environment and Guerrilla warfare.

Well through Vietnam, before and afterward the Australian military formed into a proper fighting body capable to meet Communist threats in South East Asia and stamp them out developing many Jungle Tactics that were even employed by the British SAS.

Fallout's Universe revolves around a time after WW2 where technology developed on a rapid scale. With that, better intelligence, weapons, aircraft, fleet vessels... All of that mixed into a Jungle fighting force that would be the bane of every guerrilla movement in the Pacific.

Bottom line - They would be MUCH, MUCH more prepared for any attacks made against them in the Pacific.

Would Australia win an all out war with China? No way, the Chinese would lose a mass amount of men, supplies, vehicles, aircraft and ships all over the pacific in their desperation to get to Australia. When they'd got there, they'd be fighting a guerrilla force that knows the land much better than they do. We would eventually be overwhelmed, but in the long haul, China wouldn't gain much.
And all of the math is done before an invasion plan is even considered, if they don't like the math - it doesn't happen.

OUT OF ALL OF THIS

I can tell you one thing, if we built vaults, we would have had a much easier time considering there's already underground tunnels and apparently an underground highway leading from Canberra and Sydney to the mountains. It was built when the fear of Japanese invasion was present.

So a lot of the excavation work would have already been done, not to mention a route up to the mountains where they could build a vault city.

Well I think I have said all I can say I was talking about the hypothetical: Japan and Australia alone with WW2 technology. Could 100 Australian solders hold off 5, million Japanese at new guinea? Could your Navy fight against one of the biggest Navy In the world? We are talking about the same people that would rather die then surrender. The same people that had flown their Planes carrying bombs into Ships.

Again I have said enough about the vaults. It is very unlikely that America gave out the plans for them.

Could Australia had designed and built their own yes I will give you that. could people live in their own bunkers and fallout shelters? Yes.

Again I was say that during the Great War, Lasting only 2 Hours, that it was not likely that anyone was trying to invade you. It his Highly that you guys were Nuked to hell like the rest of the planet just out of SPITE. Look up the meaning of SPITE!.

Well, you miss the concept that the Japanese and the Australians share the same personality. Both would rather die than surrender to each other, and in fact if you read about Kokoda the Japanese troops although being defeated expressed in journals and in modern day interviews that at the time they were in awe of the Australians and in some way respected the fact that they fought hard.

There was more than 100 Australians defending Kokoda , and I don't think you've yet come to grasps with the geography of Kokoda and New Guinea. The main edge the Japanese had over the Australians was their Air Force and Navy.
So when the US Navy came into play - the Australians were glad to receive some assistance in that department.

Although Z Force did blow up a few Japanese ships? ^.^

To that date, no one else had offered such a ferocious resistance to the Japanese. Including that of the US.


On the subject of vaults, I honestly believe there is no doubt that every western/industrial country in the world had them. I assume that if anything, the British and the Australians co operated in building a vault design for themselves.

The USSR would have had a nice Soviet Russian designed vault (I can imagine the humour behind that). The Chinese would have their own efficient vaults.

Nuclear fear would have been severe in every country.

I agree with your assumption about every country having their own style and designed Vaults, I can see that.
I think Australias are awesome solders. I know there was more then a 100 troops in New Guinea. My point is IF AMERICA did not HELP you with their planes and NAVY you would have been Screwed. In my hypothetical senario of Just Australia and Japan with early 1940's tech you would have lost. No matter how great your fighting men are. Japan would have moved to fast to give america anytime to help. America would not have helped you. America did not help Great Britain in any real military way till mid 1943. They did not help France, they did not help any European nation Germany invaded. SO why would America Help you if Japan did not Attack them? This world is not the movie 300, Australian men are just mortal men like the rest of the men on earth. They are not Super Men no matter how much you want them to be. With no help Japan would have kicked you butts if Japan was only interested was in attacking and invading Austalia and New Guinea and no one else. If Japan did not attack The USA, Hitler would not have declared war on the USA at least not in 1942. He was hoping to be ready to do just that by 1946.

That Is what I have been talking about for sometime now.

It does not matter much it is all a hypothetical senario. It is like "can superman out Run the Flash?" we are on opposite sides here and I don't think we will agree. we will just keep going on and on. I don't want that.

You misunderstand, WW2 Tech did not allocate Japan with enough resources and manpower to invade Australia. In fact, Japanese command considered ignoring it in general. They said the best they could do was take over half the country before the losses they received undermined any gain at all.

And erh, Spartans were mortals also if you're referring to the 300 Spartans.

New Guinea would have served as, I don't know... Australia's Iwo Jima in a sense, except slightly different in the sense that they would experience just how many Japanese would have to die to capture such a massive land from a determined enemy. Say the entire force of the Japanese came down upon the Australians, they fought. Yet the Japanese were being killed in about 10 to 100 ratios. That is every ten Australians dead, one hundred Japanese would follow suit. Had that been the case all through the conflict... Well you can guess the rest.

Now, all of that is off topic because now you're referring to tech which is not relevant to the topic of troop proficiency and the battle for New Guinea, mainly because New Guinea doesn't allow for much "Tech" to be used effectively.

If you bring "Tech" into a war between China and Australia in the Fallout universe, China doesn't really have the edge considering that any potential conflict between Australia and China would be waged in the year 2000 onwards, Australia would have already been gifted with British-made and their own tech.

Besides, what better chance for America to do some damage to China? Would they not wish to reposition those lovely satellites over the pacific, give a few temporary firing commands to the Australian Special Forces command and gleefully watch a few Chinese fleets sink to the ocean whilst a couple of Australians laugh manically on a nearby island, watching their Broadway of destruction.

If there is one thing the Americans love doing, its making other people fight their war for them. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is a perfect example of that.

The Pacific Islands are not a fun place to wage a naval war, for any side.

When Japan invaded New Guinea they did not have anywhere close to the entire Japanese Army, Navy and Air force at their disposal. Think about it, just think. Every solder in Japan with every ship, every plane and every gun at their disposal invading New Guinea. If you think that Australia could win against that without help, you are crazy and I will no longer reply to this topic. Japan's army was well over 5 million, even with 10 to 100 kill ratios. Japan would win.

As for Fallout Tech It is not todays Tech think people in the 1950's science fiction.

As for china invading Australia yea America might help you just to do damage to China.
There is no evidence that China or anyone else invaded Australia. It is very likely Australia got Nuked to hell like everyone else, just out of spite like I have been saying.

I think we agree on something.
Australia may have vault that they designed themselves: do you agree on that?
Australia does not have Super Mutants: do you agree on that?
People are still living in Austalia: do you agree on that?
Australia got Nuked to hell like everyone else: do you agree on that?
We got way off topic with this hypothetical Japan only invading Australia thing: do you agree on that?
Can we agree to disagree on that matter?


If a forum administrator read every post we have poste d they may delete it all just because of how off topic we went.
I don't know what time it is over where you are but it is almost 4am and I am becoming an insomniac

Yeah, the Japan and Australia thing is out of whack. Its not relevant, they lost, the Allies won.
I think both of us were equally out of context to what we were trying to say... If that makes sense.

Honestly, I believe Australia was nuked. No denying that, every city probably had at least one nuked dropped on it.
I believe one hundred percent that not only did Australia have vaults, but so did at least England, the USSR and China.
As many vaults as America? No. My guess is there was one respectively large vault in each city. These vaults would receive selected scholars, and scientists of every variety, along with selective military personnel and politicians. Military personnel mainly because there are trade professionals all through the army ranging from Signals Technicians to Engineers.
Perhaps experts from the mining and agricultural industry - pretty much any necessary individual needed for a society, along with their families.

These vaults would no doubt be exceptionally large.

Super mutants? Guess not, I'm not 100% on that topic. I'd imagine there would be a mutant problem of some kind, God knows how Kangaroos, Funnel Web Spiders and Black Snakes reacted to such mutation. O_O
But, I guess no one knows whether or not the US were the only ones experimenting with something like FEV, I meant... What scientist could resist the prospect of experimenting with genetically enhance humans?

I agree we did get carried away. Maybe in the next fallout games we will learn something about the rest of the world. I would like to know what happens to Australia. I have great respect for Australia, it's people and history. I hope someday to visit it.

I just thought of something Bethesda could do in a future Fallout game that would let us see what happens to Australia and other places! In Fallout 2 there was the Poseidon Marine Vessel (PMV) Valdez. It was one of the ways to get to the Enclave Oil Rig. The Lone wanderer got it working again. The people living on it were called "vagrants." They formed a community, using the vessel as their home, turning it into a simple settlement. At the end they took it to sea looking for a new home as Vagrants often do. It was an old ship but who is to say that it is not around in 2277 or later? It can return in future fallouts with news of the world with people from other nations living on it. Anyways that just came to me.

I don't doubt people will start sailing the oceans in the hopes of finding more peaceful lands to inhabit without raiders or super mutants.
However, I wonder just how dangerous the seas may be in the Fallout Universe, for there were already rather large creatures in there, I dare not dream of what terrible things lurk there now.

Thing is, unless they can make a storyline where the FEV reached Australia and for some reason there are Super Mutants there, I can't see a story about them all that interesting.
I mean, the one thing I love about Fallout is the BoS, the prospect of seeing an English or Australian version of such an order would be neat.
A Scottish accent would totally suit a BoS type character. O_O

Well other nations may have their own type Brotherhood, not related to the one in America but same knightly order kinda deal. I don't see super mutants but other mutated animals. There could be alot of messed up cults out their that an Australian "brotherhood" could fight. All them robots left over from the automatization of all the mining, farming in Australia could still be around led by some Master computer.

Lol, the thing is a BoS style order really suits Americans or British, but not Australians. They just have a very unorthodox nature that appeals to the common, tough and humble man. When they do fight, they fight in a manner that is very different to most other nations.
They fight in a ferocious, brutal and awe-inspiring way that is to be respected, as much as it is often underestimated. And in the midst of this, there is no delusions of righteousness, nor is there hope to find glory in such a mess. Instead these men from the great southern land find comfort in the common belief that they are there to protect their mates as their mates are there to protect them, and together their resolve is unmatched and they will defend their land and its interests from all those opposed.

In short, that's a very poetic way of saying 'Australians are very tough and resilient fighters, they just don't take war as seriously as others'.

A good example of this was shown when they were in the trenches of WW1, in the Somme. Men often used enemy bodies as fortifications in the dirt, sometimes a hand was left exposed from the dirt and it wasn't uncommon to see an Australian soldier walk by, shake the hand, tip his hat and say 'How ya doing, mate?'.

Hence if there was any militaristic order such as the BoS existing in Australia, it would be a bit different to your Tin Can soldiers. I'd imagine them taking on something similar to the Lyon's Pride really, multiple proficient squads used to scour through the wasteland hunting mutants and raiders to protect the people of the wastelands.
They would have a secretive centralized base in a close, yet hidden area - and I'd imagine their main priority would be to use their resources to find a way to cleanse water sources.

I do not see them being "Righteous Crusaders" of the wastes, but the camaraderie and mateship would still be there.

Actually, I have to interject a note from the Wiki about FEV 'spreading' or not.

On the Wiki, one of the Black Isle crew offers the supposition that some airborne spread of FEV was likely, DEPENDING on the size and type of nuke that was used to crack open West Tek. (West Tek was deliberately targeted).

He proposed that some of the weird critters in the wasteland could be a generational response (its been 200 years after all) to mild FEV contamination.

He goes on to say that mere PROXIMITY to active FEV virus is enough to cause mutation, rather than needing to be physically dipped. He offers up the Enclave excavators at Marpiposa as an example..high rate of mortality, sudden mutation, and insanity.

He didn't mention floaters at all, but he specifically pointed to the idea that Wanamingos are most likely deliberately engineered mutations designed to harass and undermine the infrastructure of enemy countries. This fact is reinforced by a record you can find in Fallout 3..don't recall if it's on a computer or a tape, but it mentions, peripherally, organisms seeded into other countries for just such a purpose...I think it's in Vault 87.

If a cloud of FEV material was indeed liberated from West Tek and swept over the land, most of it would probably perish (its a virus...a living or semi-living thing) from exposure to the raw elements, but the material lucky enough to become deposited in protected nooks and crannies (caves, the lee of a large rock, etc) would survive for an unknown amount of time, perhaps replicating and profligating on nearby plantlife such as moss, toadstools, etc.

Additionally, such a cloud of FEV, during its passage, would certainly infect any exposed living creature it encountered. Since we know that following a nuclear exchange, the sun would be effectively blotted out over large portions of the earth by fallout clouds, we know that cockroaches would come out to feed in droves. Cockroaches, in the wild, tend to live underground and under large rocks, their colonies are huge and filled to the walls (literally) with the disgusting creatures. In the nuclear darkness, these creatures, who by dint of their physiology are nearly immune to radiation caused sickness and death, would swarm out to seek everything from rotting vegetable matter to radiation scorched bone marrow...feeding on anything and everything organic.

Exposure to the West-Tek cloud during this period, even on only a few million, or few hundred million (more likely) roaches would open the way for intergenerational mutations. Since the FEV is a 'programmed' virus designed to maximise the combat and survival potential of the physical aspect of a species, the common roach would become monstrous, while the FEV would largely not affect their alien and simplified brain structure.

Most likely due to time and budget constraints, as well as the limits of the human imagination and the human ability to produce a finished product when faced with deadlines, Bethesda only included a small cross-section of 'archetypes' for mutated encounters, and very little in the way of sub-types, but when asked, the general consensus among the devs from each company seems to be that there is a wide variety of mutated and mutation free life out there for us to 'imagine'..it's just not shown in game at this time.

Yes I did question the claim that the FEV was not contagious, it was rather suspicious to me for I believed any Virus by definition is contagious. However, I do not know enough about biology, or the history behind Fallout's FEV to comment.

In any case, I don't see it spreading to Australia.

What I do see; is Australian scientists experimenting with genetics on a similar level, perhaps for a slightly different effect yet having a terrible mutation when mixed with radiation poisoning perhaps.

*Shrugs* Personally I don't want them to ever write or mention anything about Australia. Chances are they'll do something stupid and dismissive like Canada being annexed.

Yes the closer you were to the West Tech Building what is left of it after the ending to fallout 1 you would become "Infected" but it is more like exposed to it, like being "Dipped" but on a much slower level. The workers the Enclaved used to dig out the West Tech building in Fallout 2 did become super mutants after being in there in the building for weeks. The FEV that was in the West Tech building is not contagious by that I mean you can't get it from other people. Touching a super Mutant will not give you the the Virus or being exposed to it's blood.
As for the West Tech Builing being Nuked and there being an escaping Virus: well any escaping virus would be killed off by the radiation of the bombs that opened up the building but by the looks of the West Tech Building in Fallout 1 It was never hit by any bomb there was no big holes in it.
The people in the West Tech Builing lived through the Great War. The People that would later found the brotherhood came across the west tech building and used it to say for awhile. When they discovered what the scientist were up to,they killed all of them. The one thing they did not do was destroy the west tech building, to bad eh? they just left it and moved on.
The FEV was not Airborn you have to be "Dipped" in it.

The only Airborn FEV was the one the Enclave had made to kill Mutations not make them. That is why they had the west tech building excavated. They needed a pure sample of the FEV to make their Mutant killing FEV.

As for the FEV in DC well I don't know what to say about that but that it is a Different Kinda FEV that should not have been added to the Fallout World. West Tech was the only place that was working on it.
Still the DC FEV is not contagious if it was everyone in DC would be Super Mutants. The Mutants had to bring people back and expose them to it.

If I remember correctly, didn't the Master gather up wastelanders that stumbled upon him, and turned them into Mutants? And I the FEV in the CW, is the same as on the West Coast as far as I can guess. And I think on the Vault Wiki, the section on Vault 87, it mentions how the first Super Mutants in the vault; forcibly turned if they hadn't already? So the FEV is the same as on the West Coast as far as we're concerned. There doesn't seem to be any difference between the FEV placed on the West Coast and in the Capital Wasteland.

ARE you kidding? Are you! yes the master rounded up people that were crazy and wanted to be dipped that is how he got started so I don't see your point on that. As for the West FEV being the Same as the East FEV I ask again are you kidding me! the Mutants in F1 and 2 and tactics never turned into Behemoths they never got any bigger then the super mutant size. The West super mutants remained male or female. They could not have kids. Some stayed as intelligent as they were when they became super mutant, some even remember all their life when they were human! The East FEV make people asixual super mutants that just keep getting bigger and bigger with age. Fallout 2 takes place many years after fallout one tactics even longer and not one of the West FEV Mutants grew any bigger then they were in the beginning.

FEV is not contagious! you had to be Dipped in the Vats or exposed to it like the workers excavating the Mariposa Military Base for the Enclave and they only changed because they were walking around in pools of the FEV and were around it for weeks.
The DC FEV the Mutants still had to kidnap people and put them in a room and expose them for a indeterminate amount of time.

I have been saying West Tech Research Building I am wrong the Master's West Coast FEV was in th Mariposa Military Base. I have also said that the people that became the brotherhood came across west Tech. The people that became the brotherhood came from the Mariposa Military base. I am embarrassed by those mistakes. I am right about everything else. I just forgot the name of the Master's FEV base. I am very sorry for the confusion. The Mariposa Military base was not damaged by the Great War. West tech was bombed to hell and is now the Glow. All FEV testing and research was moved to Mariposa before the Great War.

Mistakes get made when I have not slept in 24 hours. I am sorry

This is my rough speculation behind a fictional Australia in the Fallout universe before the "Great War".
Kind of did it in a Wiki set out.

So I guess let's not get off topic here,

Back onto what happened with Australia.

Everyone knows the Chinese were staging an invasion of the US in relevance to "Anchorage", in that respect I don't see them having the resources or manpower to waste on an invasion of Australia.

Instead, I think they ignored it in general, used the Philippines as a naval base and pressed on to America. When the Chinese invaded Alaska, they had amassed an enormous fleet of supply ships, cruisers, destroyers and carriers to maintain the shipping lanes and their control of the Philippines.
In this case they didn't see the use in Malaysia and New Guinea, so most of the pacific Islands were ignored - confident that Australia would not enter a war with China, considering their ties to the English Commonwealth were still in place and America annexing Canada had somewhat pissed off the Commonwealth.

They didn't see Australia has an immediate threat to the Chinese mainland, and decided that the best course was to conquer America and in turn use the resources gained from such an undertaking to turn on the Australians.

Once the foothold in Alaska was underway, I believe it did not stop there. In my view part of Canada must have been invaded and the Americans were being battered by the Chinese onslaught and were only managing slight advances before being stopped and sometimes pushed back. The manpower and tech the Chinese were fielding was simply overwhelming.
Not to mention the Canadian resistance, terrible weather and bad terrain saw much confusion in the fighting.

As a result, America saw the seemingly unimportant nation of Australia as a useful tool. Knowing that WW2 had provided them with extensive knowledge of Jungle Warfare they decided to put political pressure on the Australians to assist believing that if the Australians were able to place a stranglehold upon the Chinese forces in the Philippines, it might slow down the supplies and troops heading to Alaska and Canada and would also secure a checkpoint for the United States to use as a counter offensive.

By this time the Australian Armed Forces would have been tripled in comparison to our time. The collective wealth of the Australian government by nationalizing the raw materials trade created a boon of wealth used mainly for defense and other projects. As a result, a considerable Navy was constructed and refitted, a bulk of it being maneuverable cruisers and destroyers, slightly smaller than their Chinese counter part but faster and equipped with deadly guns much suitable for the Pacific.

Political pressure from the US President saw the Australian Prime Minister consider his request, although England did not support any war with China and insisted that the Australians send another Squadron of SAS to assist in Europe, the Australian government was forced to consider that no harm has ever come to them in regards to helping Americans, although they did not agree with the US annexing Canada it was clear that the situation was turning out much like WW2, in which the British were happy enough to feed the Australians to the Japanese.

The Prime Minister had a choice to make, China had not openly declared war with Australia and had pretty much ignored them, and he thought 'I supposed that is the keyword... 'Ignored'. It's like two powerful hunters fighting over the trapped prey, and it seemed that Australia was that prey'
And it was true, as the Philippines was a staging ground for the invasion of the US, it could equally be used to turn on Australia.

However, the Prime Minister was unwilling to go in guns blazing as the US demanded and his chief of the military was less than enthusiastic over such a plan. The political pressure had taken the toll on the government, whether they liked it or not they were gunning it out with the yanks, but they wished to avoid another disaster like the previous pacific war.

Instead the plan was to use the bulk of the Australian Regular Army to fortify New Guinea as Australia's gateway, they would be prepared to make that their first line of defense if necessary - Australia's security was paramount. The rest of the Regular Army and Militia would be used as reserves posted in all the capitol cities of the country. In a similar sense, the growing tension of nuclear threat in the world demanded some attention, through use of robots and infrastructure experts the Australian Government commissioned the construction of a large "Vault City" in the mountains of the Great Dividing Range where an old underground highway connects the mountains, Sydney and Canberra together, followed by one large Vault in each capitol city by which tickets were sold off exclusively to politicians, scientists, doctors, rich businessmen, etc. With a standard group of government maintenance, security and specialist personnel along with their families.

The Vault City in itself was designed to preserve every aspect of Australian culture that the Government felt would deemed to be worth saving for the future. It included the brightest scientists and medical personnel in every field ranging from genetics, physics and chemical research. Along with these would be the country's leading specialists in agriculture and mining sciences. These people were only allowed their direct family into the vault with them. Along with these brilliant minds was the leading government body at the time and his direct staff and their families. This government staff would include The Prime Minister, Chiefs of the Military and National Security Advisers along with various Ministers. A leading historian of Australia would be brought into the vault to make sure that history is preserved. The last group to enter would be selective military personnel from all fields including Special Forces, Army, Naval and Air Force Engineers, Communications Technicians and Trade Specialists. Their relevant families would be brought with them.
(Note, this Vault city would be exceptionally large built from the previous excavated operations in the mountains and designed to accommodate a large community with food, water, oxygen, efficient living space and recreation). The added families were brought to provide a variety of people to progress the community.) Excavation and building machinery and robots were kept in the maintenance bay to assist with any further necessary construction.

The idea behind this vault was that if all others failed, the people in this vault would secure a disciplined community based on preserving the Australian way of life.


Essentially the rest of the war would see heavy skirmishes fought by the Chinese and the Australian Navy in the pacific, and a covert troop movement through the Philippines to destroy docked Chinese ships, supply depots and troop garrisons, along with I’d imagine a hefty ground battle that would result in the Australians gaining temporary control of the island long enough to destroy the potentially troublesome shore defenses placed on the island. A large naval battle that would probably force the Australians back due to sheer numbers, but in turn they would have successfully crippled the Chinese supply route and redirected Chinese attention from the US to the Pacific, allowing the US to engage them in full force with their Navy most likely kicking their Communist asses all the way back to Midway and the Pacific, the Australians probably faced a large force of Chinese landing on New Guinea in an attempt to stamp out the Australian forces in the pacific, however superior artillery defenses, jungle troops and prepared supply lines saw the invasion of New Guinea halted.

Over all, the crippling factor of this war would be that Australia would lose a fair amount of its Navy and Air Force to the Chinese, and the Americans would probably ignore New Guinea and secure the Philippines easily now that the Australians had destroyed the shore batteries defending it.

It would be up to the Australians to ultimately defeat any Chinese attackers at New Guinea, and if history plays out the way it should, the Chinese would retreat to attack the Americans and stop them from push all the way through to China.

This entire war effort would start a proper trade agreement with the US and Australia allowing trade of Raw Materials to effectively reach the US.

With the US Navy in full swing around the Pacific, the severely damaged ships that could be salvaged were used to repair the rest of the fleet.

By this time, there was some apprehension throughout the different Intelligence organizations in the world, talk of Nuclear war was pvssyring throughout the military airwaves, some Chinese speaking of paranoia that the US was about to nuke them, and in turn British and American intelligence operatives claiming that they had word that the Chinese were receiving 'fire orders' from their government.

All of this suspicion forced the Prime Minister to act, he ordered that the 'chosen people' be contacted and moved to the vault city immediately preparing for the worst. His fears were confirmed when America breached the Chinese borders, reports of desperation dictated Chinese suicide raids on the heavily armored US infantry and the Australian Regular Army who weren't so lucky to receive power armour still managed to fight off these suicide runs.

Most of the Large Vaults in the city had been occupied for some time, left open for the people who had bought their way in. Paranoid of the war waging in the pacific, they had taken up residency in the vaults for the duration and were perhaps more prepared than most of the nuclear war, when the sirens went off, all that was needed to do was seal the vault.

The Australians had been lucky when it came to their vault city, through use of their robots the construction had been successfully completed only six months early and the process of loading up the Vault's supplies was nearly complete as the people arrived via VTOL Aircraft, they were told to wait inside the vault until further notice, sadly some of the requested families and military personnel were too far to make it in time when the sirens went off, only one VTOL arrived in 'the nick of time' to unload their civilian package and head for the vault.

Well since Papua New Guinea is probably still under the control of Australia, the Communist Chinese would no doubt ferment insurrection in the territory.

Insurrection? I'm not quite sure what you mean - the Locals of Papau New Guinea fought with and or helped the Australians in WW2, refer to an article on "Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels" via Google. I don't see how you could logically incite civil dispute amongst the people of New Guinea against those who once fought with them against a common enemy.

As far as anyone in New Guinea would be concerned, anyone who looks slightly Japanese would be "invading devils".

Probably the On the Beach effect. They didn't get a whole lot of direct impacts, but the prevailing winds would choke them with hot rads and fallout from China and the eastern USSR.

Eh, I'd imagine there would be direct impacts on Canberra and major cities. As Styles said, it would have been spite for siding with the Yanks.

First of all i'm gonna try and use this reply to get us back on topic.

What i think might have happened is that since now in 2010 we have a multicultural society, maybe in the Fallout universe its the same sort of thing and obviously China didn't nuke themselves so maybe they didn't nuke us because of how much of them live here. It may have also been the same with Americans since there are a few in Australia but again it may not matter.

Also it could be the opposite and China and USA nuke us because of the population of both sides and we could be totally screwed. :nuke: