author/s of the elder scrolls? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

author/s of the elder scrolls? · » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:52 am

i'v always wondered, who wrote the elder scrolls? i picked up a book (can't remember the name of it) in the chapel building of the ancestor moth temple and it said the elder scrolls exceed the gods, both aedra and daedra. just wondering if anyone knows.

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:02 am

sorry guys i was a little careless with this post. how do i move this to the spoilers forum?

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:46 pm

sorry guys i was a little careless with this post. how do i move this to the spoilers forum?

there is a report button in the lower lefthand portion of the screen under your name

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:32 am

Actually, I think I'll send this question to the Lore khans, since the Elder Scrolls are a foundation of all four games of the series, and it's more a background question than a gameplay one.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:32 pm

Simple, gamesas did.

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:51 am

We don't know. None of the texts has ever bothered to explain where they came from.

The Pension of the Ancestor Moths says they "exceed even the gods, both aedra and daedra."

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:55 pm

Perhaps C0DA wrote it? From what I gather, C0DA appears to be perhaps a "part" of Time that exists completely and totally. Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_dimension? Maybe it is Time and Possibility combined?

As I looked at the article I linked, it seems very likely to at least be the 5th dimension, in my opinion.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:41 pm

Perhaps not, and we need more information before being able to make an educated guess.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:33 pm

Eh, I suppose. Just found it interesting.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:41 pm

The world works by mythopeia, which sounds like 'myth+poetry.' Stories that all existence adheres to. It makes sense that they were written down in their true form somewhere.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:11 pm

The world works by mythopeia, which sounds like 'myth+poetry.' Stories that all existence adheres to. It makes sense that they were written down in their true form somewhere.

Poeia is apparently a Latin word derived from Greek that refers to making or creating. Mythopoiea is the creation of myth.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:35 pm

We don't know. None of the texts has ever bothered to explain where they came from.

The Pension of the Ancestor Moths says they "exceed even the gods, both aedra and daedra."

duh... do they not have elder scrolls about the gods? (I actually do not know)
Who put them on Nirn?

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:41 pm

We honestly don't know. If they do "exceed even the gods", then, yeah, maybe there's scrolls about them.

Really, it's probably one of those things that should have been explored in Oblivion. But, you know, didn't happen.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:16 pm

maybe on V we will learn more about them

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:50 pm

Muthsera,

Although this answer may not satisfy you, my conclusion is that [you] wrote the Elder Scrolls.

Myths, by their very nature, require being told, and all of NIRN is created by such myth(s).

[You] are a being with two aspects: the real person playing and the in-game character.

These beings are called "heroes" and are unique in all of NIRN, for they can both read and create those myths.

Both Zurin Arctus and the Prophet state that a "Hero" is needed to fulfill a prophecy, and even the Gods are powerless to act without him or her.

So, who wrote the Elder Scrolls? [You] did.

___The Word Merchant of Julianos

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:12 am

Poeia is apparently a Latin word derived from Greek that refers to making or creating. Mythopoiea is the creation of myth.

Very true. But MK works through (often false) cognates the same way Nirn works through myths.

And Word Merchant, empty your damn PM box. I had some really funny joke about barristers in Daggerfall, but I forgot it. How goes the appeal?

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:30 pm

I think (but have no evidence to support it) that something higher than the Aedra, Daedra and the other named things which I do not yet understand, which still remains nameless and formless wrote them.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:36 pm

Simple, gamesas did.

:lmao:.That was good :lmao: .O.K.,perhaps.The Elder Scrolls are the original plans of the universe.(SPOILER BE WARNED)
Like in OB when you turned back time for the Gray Fox,using one.

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:57 am

And Word Merchant, empty your damn PM box. I had some really funny joke about barristers in Daggerfall, but I forgot it. How goes the appeal?

More room in PM box.

I usually get emails to dmullins301@yahoo.com

And the appeal? LET THERE BE WAR!

___The Word Merchant of Julianos

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:02 am

This seems like a good question; like most here, I've just been accepting that the Elder Scrolls are ancient without thinking of their origins. They might have existed as long as mortals have; or do you think they're older than that?

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:37 pm

This seems like a good question; like most here, I've just been accepting that the Elder Scrolls are ancient without thinking of their origins. They might have existed as long as mortals have; or do you think they're older than that?

http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Pension_of_the_Ancestor_Moth- On the Elder Scrolls;

"These writing exceed even the gods, both Aedra and Daedra."

So one would assume that they exceed mortals, too.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:14 pm

http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Pension_of_the_Ancestor_Moth- On the Elder Scrolls;

"These writing exceed even the gods, both Aedra and Daedra."

So one would assume that they exceed mortals, too.

The cite is taking too long to load onto this computer; sorry.

Do we know that "exceed" refers to age? I would have thought it means "go beyond" or "exceed in power".

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:37 am

The cite is taking too long to load onto this computer; sorry.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/pension_ancestor_moth.shtml

Do we know that "exceed" refers to age? I would have thought it means "go beyond" or "exceed in power".

Hm, it might refer to exceed in power, due to the fact that the Scrolls tell of what has, and what will always happen, something neither the Aedra nor Daedra can do. But I assumed that it meant "exceed in age", or "are older than". :shrug:

Either way, we still don't really know who their author is.

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:40 am

guys, the reason i asked this qwestion was because i was curious as to whether or not there is a higher power in the elder scrolls universe than aedra and daedra. my guess is that when it talks about exceeding the gods, bethesda is referring to itself in third-person because they did create the elder scrolls. therefore they exceed the aedra and daedra because they created them. if it is not referring to bethesda in "the pension of the ancestor moths", i am curious as to what power could be higher than the gods? this is the only explanation i could come up with. perhaps it is a qwestion that will never be answered.

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:06 am

guys, the reason i asked this qwestion was because i was curious as to whether or not there is a higher power in the elder scrolls universe than aedra and daedra. my guess is that when it talks about exceeding the gods, bethesda is referring to itself in third-person because they did create the elder scrolls. therefore they exceed the aedra and daedra because they created them. if it is not referring to bethesda in "the pension of the ancestor moths", i am curious as to what power could be higher than the gods? this is the only explanation i could come up with. perhaps it is a qwestion that will never be answered.

The godhead in TES is said to have multiple-personality disorder, and is amnesiac. Probably the gods, being facets or splinters of the godhead, can be said to be exceeded by it. More knowledgeable forumites can say it better than I can, though.