Hi there,

Due to an overwhelming response regarding auto-aim from the PC demo, the decision was made to remove support for auto-aim (not gamepads completely) because of the unfair advantage it may give players and the chances of it being exploited. This change was part of our day 1 patch as listed here: http://www.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=10951

Thanks!

So now mouse and keyboard have an unfair advantage...

hmm do enlighten us how it is unfair?

really, you haven't read this entire thread

Hi there,

Due to an overwhelming response regarding auto-aim from the PC demo, the decision was made to remove support for auto-aim (not gamepads completely) because of the unfair advantage it may give players and the chances of it being exploited. This change was part of our day 1 patch as listed here: http://www.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=10951

Thanks!

So now mouse and keyboard have an unfair advantage...

hmm do enlighten us how it is unfair?

wait....enlighten us on how you would like to be enlightened

this thread is full of fail and win! we should hold a competition gamepads team vs keyboard/mouse team? A final end it all game to find which interface is better. but there must be a level playing field based on skillful maipulation of your interface device. no auto aim for both devices. maybe some keyboard/mouse/gamepad company would want to sponsor such an event?

it would quiten teh gamepad kiddies. for a while..

Yeah, that should increase PC sales. Way to think outside the box (no pun intended)
I am not sure I am worried about the controller being better, just want it to be like it has always has been.
Keep in mind, it was in the demo and now it is not.
I guess how would you feel if they removed the mouse and keyboard support with a day one patch.
maybe only 1 mouse button would be functional or you can only use a mouse below a certain dpi

There is a reason why console games outsell PC games. I am pretty sure the "input device" has a little to do with that. Why do you think Cry-tek is focusing on the console version? Say what you want about your preferred input device, you are the minority now.

The only way to make auto aim fair would be to give it to everybody, consoles with auto aim do have some benefits, you don't have to wait before you shoot for 1 and you're sure your hitting on target.

Imagine aiming down the sight with the scar and auto aim, the little recoil would never take it off target.

ok ok step by step
Well, it's not just simply "my logic". It's a fact. The gamepad is simply more of a social gaming device, it's convenient, ergonomical and extremely relaxing to use.

yes i agree with you, i have a 360 controller, and it is comfortable, i use it for some games.

Even if you have managed to memorize the exact location of all your keys on your keyboard without ever making a mistake or looking down, or wasting time to feel around and make sure you are about to press the correct key, you are kidding yourself if you believe that a keyboard user can select keys quicker than a handheld controller user can press the buttons on his advanced ergonomically designed controller.


we do can select keys quicker than a handled controller, just try to do this with a controller, perform a slide while you are aiming down sight shooting and change to armor mode at the same time.

I even have problems with the game not tracking my movements, when i change to the weapon secondary mode while walking and aiming down sights, the down sight zoom got stucked and i have to press the mouse button again (proof of the poorly consolized design of the control scheme).

Not only is the controller so much easier to use, but it is also much more comfortable. So, that means no carpel tunnel syndrome, and no hours of hovering your "WASD-key" fingers, twisting over each other like a ballerina to reach other keys. If my arms get tired of staying in the same position while using a controller, I can even lift my arms up in the air and continue to game. I can walk around the room and continue to game. Try that with the keyboard and mouse. They are just stuck in one fixed position. Sorry, the mouse has its quick aiming benefits, but it is also nowhere near as relaxing and enjoyable to use. The keyboard, to be honest, is the best peripheral for text input, but probably the most poorly designed gaming input device in the history of mankind for any game that moves any faster than EA's Sims game.


In my eleven years of gaming (since i was 10), I never had a medical issue.
and who the hell start to walking around when in a match?, I can relax and stretch at the end of a round or between games at the lobby. Maybe the keyboard is originally not designed for gaming, but it doesn't mean is bad at it


So, if you ask me why I always play PC games with a controller, even though I can turnaround and aim quicker with a mouse, the main answer is because it's so much more of a friendly and logical gaming device that is social, relaxing, ergonomic and enjoyable to use. Even if you came home with a super 200,000,000,000 DPI mouse, it would not make the smallest difference to the enjoyability. Your aiming may well end up being faster (because of the mouse and not your skills), but it will not put the enjoyability factor of the mouse and keyboard on the level of the handheld controller. No way will that ever happen.

Sure you've never use a high dpi mouse, anyone new at it simply cannot use it because is too much sensitive, a high dpi mouse doesn't gave you the reflex needed to shot fast and accurate, it took years of gaming acquire that skills, the mouse only help you not limiting your aiming.
And I enjoy the game every time a own a noob (maybe a controller user? )

There is a reason why console games outsell PC games. I am pretty sure the "input device" has a little to do with that. Why do you think Cry-tek is focusing on the console version? Say what you want about your preferred input device, you are the minority now.


lllol right...

its because console players buy every kind of crap, mummys buy games rated 18+ for 10yr old kids etc.

its easy to please console crowd.. just make some crappy anolog controller and throw in auto aim for lulz and watch ppl go zerg on that pos.


quit this **** dude.

pro gaming keyboard and mice market is 1000000000000 times bigger than this controller crap.

eff sakes.. pro gaming mouse and pad costs 50% of xbox 360..... think about it.
now add keyboard too..

you can actually buy xbox for that money.

just as you could buy 20 toyota corollas for 1 ferrari and ride them 100 years.. but would you get that fun out of them as you would get from ferrari ? no!

Why do console controllers even need auto aim?

offtopic

Can controller users use Nanovision and cloak and armour mode switching from one to the other and back, whilst running shooting, turning and aiming, without auto aim.

Keyboards are better because you don't have to hold them, and can press all the buttons you need to at once. At least I can.

There is a reason why console games outsell PC games. I am pretty sure the "input device" has a little to do with that. Why do you think Cry-tek is focusing on the console version? Say what you want about your preferred input device, you are the minority now.


lllol right...

its because console players buy every kind of crap, mummys buy games rated 18+ for 10yr old kids etc.

its easy to please console crowd.. just make some crappy anolog controller and throw in auto aim for lulz and watch ppl go zerg on that pos.


quit this **** dude.

pro gaming keyboard and mice market is 1000000000000 times bigger than this controller crap.

eff sakes.. pro gaming mouse and pad costs 50% of xbox 360..... think about it.
now add keyboard too..

you can actually buy xbox for that money.

just as you could buy 20 toyota corollas for 1 ferrari and ride them 100 years.. but would you get that fun out of them as you would get from ferrari ? no!


So, by your logic, something has to be expensive to be good. You are also implying that the console market only survives on kids with dumb moms. You...uhh....seem to have all your ducks in a row. I have a really nice Ferrari $3000 computer gaming rig, but for some reason, I still find myself using a Toyota steering wheel/controller to game. I also, for some reason, find it easier to drive my Toyota (Xbox) online because the voice chat works, ranked rooms work, and friends lists work on day 1. I guess I just don't fit in with the very smart and elite PC gamers. I am not too heart broken over that.
I love messing with you guys. It is so easy. Please come up with a better argument next time.

oh....by the way...where is that PC patch....yeah...great.....I like having a Ferrari with no gas in the tank, it does me alot of good.

Why do console controllers even need auto aim?

offtopic

Can controller users use Nanovision and cloak and armour mode switching from one to the other and back, whilst running shooting, turning and aiming, without auto aim.

Keyboards are better because you don't have to hold them, and can press all the buttons you need to at once. At least I can.

yes we can...xpadder anyone

you can mess with us all u want.. why not if it amuses you.
fact is.. if you want to practice and be good at fps games, learn to do it like its meant to be.
if you want to play crysis 2 casually.. play it on console please with ur controller.

problem solved? not?

if you want to drive your toyota around nurburg ring and then come complain that ferraris beat you.. what the hell man? you are at wrong place with ur car.


and all this "wheres pc patch" blahblah.. dont forget that PC is platform where games are made at..

please take your xbox, controller and be happy...

damn I love how nobody can just stfu ITS PERSONAL PREFERENCE EVER HEAD OF OPINION

you can mess with us all u want.. why not if it amuses you.
fact is.. if you want to practice and be good at fps games, learn to do it like its meant to be.
if you want to play crysis 2 casually.. play it on console please with ur controller.

problem solved? not?

if you want to drive your toyota around nurburg ring and then come complain that ferraris beat you.. what the hell man? you are at wrong place with ur car.


and all this "wheres pc patch" blahblah.. dont forget that PC is platform where games are made at..

please take your xbox, controller and be happy...

But I like the graphics on my Ferrari better and I can use a controller SP with it

Don't cry...everything will be alright

45 pages for a console specific issue?
Auto-aim is for those who couldn't hit a barn if they were standing inside it!!!!

Jesus, you PC elitists are crazy. I made the jump from consoles to PC because games run and look so much better, I can't even see what's going on in this game on consoles because of the low 20's frame rate. I find it pretty inappropriate to bash the OP for asking a simple question. Besides, if keyboard and mouse is SO much better, what do you care if us console monkeys are able to utilize aim assist? You should be able to own us anyways if you're any good.

And to the OP, I'm pretty much in the same boat you are. What I've been doing lately is stealth shotgunning, try the marshall if you can get it. It's usually a one shot kill if you're close enough. Stealth, get in, and get out. This way you don't really have to do any tracking. If you land one good shot on them and you're close enough, melee to finish them off. Just something to try. Good luck!

Jesus, you PC elitists are crazy. I made the jump from consoles to PC because games run and look so much better, I can't even see what's going on in this game on consoles because of the low 20's frame rate. I find it pretty inappropriate to bash the OP for asking a simple question. Besides, if keyboard and mouse is SO much better, what do you care if us console monkeys are able to utilize aim assist? You should be able to own us anyways if you're any good.

And to the OP, I'm pretty much in the same boat you are. What I've been doing lately is stealth shotgunning, try the marshall if you can get it. It's usually a one shot kill if you're close enough. Stealth, get in, and get out. This way you don't really have to do any tracking. If you land one good shot on them and you're close enough, melee to finish them off. Just something to try. Good luck!

It's the principle of competition. Having the system give you a nudge is akin to having the "guard rails" in bowling up. Yes, mouse-and-keyboards end up being more accurate with firing (though not movement), but that doesn't mean the competitive players want the metaphorical guard rails.

I don't want to play with aim-asisst, and I don't want to play against people with aim-assist simply because it sounds way too similar (and LOOKS far too similar) to the traditional cheats that PC players have to fight with each day. If you can't see these points, I'm not sure what more I can tell you.

Why do console controllers even need auto aim?

offtopic

Can controller users use Nanovision and cloak and armour mode switching from one to the other and back, whilst running shooting, turning and aiming, without auto aim.

Keyboards are better because you don't have to hold them, and can press all the buttons you need to at once. At least I can.

yes we can...xpadder anyone

I doubt you could find an experienced (not necessarily that good), player bad enough to be beaten by someone using a controller. If I ever see it happen Ill eat my own face.

Find something similar to this on console, not a montage of clip or 1/2 east no scope edited together, also there's no auto aim involved here. People only exposing parts of them selves for fractions of a second.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5yK6AY3ODw

Jesus, you PC elitists are crazy. I made the jump from consoles to PC because games run and look so much better, I can't even see what's going on in this game on consoles because of the low 20's frame rate. I find it pretty inappropriate to bash the OP for asking a simple question. Besides, if keyboard and mouse is SO much better, what do you care if us console monkeys are able to utilize aim assist? You should be able to own us anyways if you're any good.

And to the OP, I'm pretty much in the same boat you are. What I've been doing lately is stealth shotgunning, try the marshall if you can get it. It's usually a one shot kill if you're close enough. Stealth, get in, and get out. This way you don't really have to do any tracking. If you land one good shot on them and you're close enough, melee to finish them off. Just something to try. Good luck!

The problem is if there's an auto aim system in place people will abuse it by using it with a mouse and keyboard and we may get into a situation where everyone uses it.

Look on youtube for people using mouse and keyboard on console, they still have aim assist, but can completely destroy everyone else.

If aim assist doesn't work against the cloaked, which I assume it wouldn't, you'd have quite a problem with them I imagine.

45 pages for a console specific issue?
Auto-aim is for those who couldn't hit a barn if they were standing inside it!!!!

And the mouse is for noobs who like to live the illusion that they actually have skills rather than wake up to the fact that their speedy high DPI mouse is what is actually giving them high scores.

You guys speak as if the keyboard and mouse is actually you, and that the high speed of aiming you get from the mouse is demonstrating your skill. It's nothing to do with your skill.

The only way to truly prove you have skill is to have a tournament where all gamers have the same identical specs as each other. Macros would be banned, and everyone is playing with the exact same keyboard or even controller. That's how you prove you have skills.

You may prefer to sit like a stiff zombie in solitary confinement in a cold basemant stuck for hours hunched up over a keyboard and mouse playing "twister" on the keys with your WASD fingers and desperately trying to develop carpel tunnel syndrome in your wrist, and that is your choice.

No wonder you guys are so angry by the time you finish gaming.

When I come home in the evenings from work, I use gaming to relax. The more I game is the more relaxed I feel because I am on the sofa with my relaxing controller.

I have already explained why the controllers are attractive to use. It's irrelevant how fast your mouse can target an enemy. What counts is each persons preferences. A controller is far more relaxing and comfortable to use. I can stand up and shift over to the other side of the sofa without even pausing the game.

You simply cannot do any such thing with a keyboard and mouse. You are stuck for hours in the same position. I can sit down on the floor, put the controller on my lap, lift the controller up in the air and stretch my arm muscles, go back to the sofa and still continue gaming. Meanwhile, you haven't even moved an inch in the past hour, and you are developing severe cramp in that "locked down" hunched position. Like I said, it's all about preferences.

If you think that the keyboard and mouse is a nice way to game, then that's up to you. That's your opinion. Nobody here is trying to force you to use the controller. It's you keyboard guys that are arrogantly telling others that they MUST use the keyboard and mouse or suffer abuse by angry keyboard elitists who have far too much of an excess of tension from their hour-long stressful gaming sessions of fiddling about with keys, and the pressure from them carpal tunnel syndromes. It's about personal preferences.

However, I still don't understand why a keyboard and mouse gamer would fear a controller with Auto Aim.

If you know that the mouse will always be quicker, then what's the problem?

I personally don't like auto aim, but I liked the fact that it was an option in the demo.

The problem now is that some controller users who played the demo, bought Crysis 2 being led to believe that the game would have Auto Aim because it was in the demo. But then Auto Aim suddenly disappeared from the retail version. So, for those gamepad users who prefer to have auto aim, they can argue that they were mislead, or the game was mis sold by Crytek. This is the point you guys are missing.

Crytek could have left the Auto Aim in as an option for each server to choose whether to have it on. They could have even set up some options for matching up online controller versus controller only. However, the way Crytek have handled the situation is an over-reaction to the complaints that were made by the Cry-Mouse users. I don't have a big problem with it, but I can see how others can argue that he game was mis sold because a gameplay feature was removed from the game via a patch update.

spoken like a true consoler/justifies my $500.00 videocard, thank you.

I would like to start off by saying i was a console gamer and just moved to PC gaming and i dont like the feeling of a keyboard (not the mouse) ... .

Are you some sort of deformed thalidomide kid that has flippers instead of hands? If you don't like how PC handles controllers, than go back to playing consoles.

spoken like a true consoler/justifies my $500.00 videocard, thank you.

well, this "consoler" actually has well over 20 years of PC gaming experience.

And, Sir, each persons personal preferences over a game control peripheral have nothing at all to do with a $500.00 videocard. In fact, the PC's graphical advantages are one of the main things that keep me on the platform. So, no, a controller does not somehow cancel out the benefits of the PC's sharper graphics, higher framerates and its advanced anti-aliasing, and all the other PC benefits.

So, no, a controller does not somehow cancel out the benefits of the PC's sharper graphics, higher framerates and its advanced anti-aliasing, and all the other PC benefits.
It limits the amount of actions that you can perform.

Why did Crysis 2 get rid of prone, leans, and speed/strength. To play easier on controllers...which is FAIL!!!!!!

@Vengeance1
How can you say on one hand the mouse plays some role in performing better, when auto aim is clearly a massive helping hand. With a mouse you have to be able to chose where you aim and track while your shooting, especially up-close.

Also you say Macros should be banned, because it not you doing it, the same should be said of auto aim, anything that's not you doing it or gives you an advantage in some situations (not all I admit).

Yes people on PC don't want to play against people using auto aim, then NEVER will, regardless of if they can use auto aim themselves, they probably wouldn't play the game if it was advertised to include auto aim.

So, no, a controller does not somehow cancel out the benefits of the PC's sharper graphics, higher framerates and its advanced anti-aliasing, and all the other PC benefits.
It limits the amount actions that you can perform.

Why did Crysis 2 get rid of prone, leans, and speed/strength. To play easier on controllers...which is FAIL!!!!!!

Ironically I think console players use the old wheel system, at least what ive seen from demo footage.

@Vengeance1
How can you say on one hand the mouse plays some role in performing better, when auto aim is clearly a massive helping hand. With a mouse you have to be able to chose where you aim and track while your shooting, especially up-close.

Also you say Macros should be banned, because it not you doing it, the same should be said of auto aim, anything that's not you doing it or gives you an advantage in some situations (not all I admit).

Yes people on PC don't want to play against people using auto aim, then NEVER will, regardless of if they can use auto aim themselves, they probably wouldn't play the game if it was advertised to include auto aim.

So, no, a controller does not somehow cancel out the benefits of the PC's sharper graphics, higher framerates and its advanced anti-aliasing, and all the other PC benefits.
It limits the amount actions that you can perform.

Why did Crysis 2 get rid of prone, leans, and speed/strength. To play easier on controllers...which is FAIL!!!!!!

Ironically I think console players would benefit from the old wheel system, because they'd have just 1 button to use, Nanovision, Strength, Cloak and Binoculars. However Speed and strength, especially when throwing people I really miss.

I did not say macros should be banned. I spoke about the banning of macros in the context of a paragraph that gave a scenerio of a level playing field where each gamer has the exact same setup and specs in order to prove who has the most skills.

So in that particular context, banning macros created a level playing field and exposed each player's raw talent. That paragraph was a direct response against the idea that "some" PC keyboard elitists have that they themselves are the actual keyboard and mouse rather than just another gamer who is using the keyboard and mouse. So if, for example, they buy a new high dpi mouse that allows them to target opponents quicker and more effectively, then they brag and boast about it as if it is their skill that did it rather than the technology of the mouse. A lot of mouse elitists speak out against the xbox controllers in a way that suggests that they believe they actually have more skills than a controller user because a mouse can target quicker than a controller. I was making the point that the mouse does not prove you have more skills than someone who prefers to game with a controller. It is the actual mouse that is quicker at targeting and not necessarily the person using the mouse.

About Auto Aim being "a massive helping hand", I don't think it is. I played the demo and tried using auto aim with my xbox controller on the PC, and, to be honest, I did not notice much difference. It's not the type of blatant auto aim that other games have. I prefer to keep it off anyway. I was just sticking up for those who want it but were getting abused on this thread from hundreds of angry mouse elitists. I also don't think that a controller with auto aim can compete with the average keyboard and mouse gamer online, which is why I don't understand the hostility. It's not like the auto aim is so blatantly effective that it gives controllers an advantage over the mouse. I understand your concerns regarding the fact that keyboard users can take advantage of auto aim, but I just think the over reaction to remove it completely rather than look at some of the suggested solutions in this thread was wrong.