I'm not sure I understand? Are you saying that in Oblivion you end up running to places first anyway, so you gain athletics? That's certainly true and I am aware of that, but athletics takes an absolute age to become useful (even with combat specialisation) - I usually end up training it teehee

Why do you support having travelled normally first? What if a player thinks that's boring and just wants to warp there instantly, no normal travel required? Would you support such an option?

I don't personally want it gone just so others can't use it. To me the travel system is just not fun. Saying if I don't like than I shouldn't use it is completely besides the point. That's like saying if I don't like the way the combat works than I shouldn't use it (like so many people complained about with Morrowind, including me). Did people just decide to not use it, and keep the combat like that for people that liked it? No, they complained and wanted it changed (not optional).

It appears to me that the people who "want it gone so no one else can use it", really just want the whole system revised to be much more fun, and immersive. I haven't really seen anyone actually say they want to abolish fast-travel and make everybody run everywhere.

What is with all this "casual" or "action" crap?

1. It's about not wasting time and repeating the tedious task of going along the same path over and over again.

2. Fast-travel was in RPGs way before Oblivion, and way before Morrowind. Arena/Daggerfall fans heavily criticized Morrowind for being "casual", "dumbed-down", and all the rest of that garbage, yet Arena and Daggerfall had fast-travel systems similar to Oblivion's. Morrowind isn't doing things "hardcoe" RPG style, or even Elder Scrolls style. It's the odd one of the four Elder Scrolls games in its implementation, and so the "it's an RPG" statement means absolutely nothing. Morrowind's way is just another way. Prefer it if you want, but don't fool yourself in believing it's any more of an RPG mechanic than fast-travel.

So. please. stop thinking any "it's hardcoe" or "it's an RPG" claims hold any value, because they don't. Varying people think they know what is and isn't an RPG and throw around what they believe is the validity of a claim as an RPG as though it magically makes their opinion right. It doesn't.

Thank you. It appears some posters can't make the distinction between 'restricted fast-travel' and 'no fast-travel'. I don't want fast travel gone completely at all, I just want it revamped.

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There's no correlation between having fast travel and designing quests around it, besides those quests were in Morrowind as well. If you don't want to use fast travel, than you don't care about making the journey there and back. I don't use fast travel all the time in OB, I don't understand what's wrong with FT rewarding Laziness, Exploration is rewarded, with what you find, that which the FT traveler will not find, unless he starts not using FT.



I've got nothing against limiting it between towns, although I think you lose much the convenience, I would rather have it tied to mounts in addition to it having a chance of random encounters. OB did go overboard, but I think it was more because there was not an alternative for those who wanted a more immersive system. I still feel your argument is flawed though, because the sense of exploration and distance was also retained in OB, all you had to do was not use fast travel a single time.

There are two real points against OB FT:

• It's unrealistic that you can tread across the country, on foot, without encountering an enemy.
  
• It neglects an opportunity for the player to roleplay, because the FT isn't recognized by the world.

I agree with you - it really isn't about wasting time (this was more of a retort to fade's Call of Duty insult), it's more to do with the fact that people should decide whether or not they want to use it rather than have it completely stricken so that people who do just want to have a bit of fun don't HAVE to spend an hour walking around to places they've already been

He was saying they won't get rewarded for the trip back I believe. The fast-traveler would have to go there and find the point, same as the non-fast-traveler, but the non-fast-traveler would have to run back whereas the fast-traveler could just... well fast-travel haha

Not saying I completely agree, just saying I believe that was his point.

True. Especially because Fast Travel, is a mechanic of open world games, not rpgs. GTAIV had fast travel services unlike OB, does this make it more of an rpg than OB? Of course not, that's rediculous.

When people complain about fast travel, they aren't criticizing a rpg mechanic, they are criticizing a Sandbox mechanic.

Quit talking about "rpg's" "action" and "casual". They're all irrelevant, and you are contributing to what your complaining about (or at least what Seti was).

When I criticize fast-travel, I'm criticizing a mechanic that I believe to not be fun.

To the people who say, "lack of self control isn't an excuse to not have fast travel," or something along those lines.

It's true that we don't have to use it in Oblivion, but because the only other alternative is run or ride, it's much too slow not fast-traveling.

At the least I'd want full Oblivion fast travel as well as other "in-game" travel options (mark/recall, interventions, mage guild/other teleporting, carriage etc.) But what I would really prefer is fast travel between any form of town, village or city. This includes traveling from the middle of no-where in the wilderness to a town (village or city); but you wouldn't be able to travel to a cave, you would have to travel to the closest town first. This is along with "in-game" travel options. The GTA IV style carriage rides would work along roads.

Floo powder.

No actually, casual / action / rpg is not irrelevant at all. People who prefer to walk around instead of fast-travel don't have to use it (I'm sure they don't use it in Oblivion), people who do want to jump in and use it should be allowed to. I actually quite like the option to fast travel in oblivion because once I get a quest item, I don't want to have to walk back and possibly get killed along the way. Some people prefer to walk back and have a look around while they're on the way back. Therefore, it IS relevant to discuss it because there are different types of gamers around the world who will play this game, and you have to cater to all of them. Just because you don't believe a game mechanic is fun, does not mean the rest of the world shares your view.

At first with Oblivion I was a fast travel hater and criticised it a lot, but now I'd like to see fast travel kept but just enhanced for those who want some aspect of roleplay. It wouldn't have to be mandatory, just have a setting in options if you want normal fast travel, no fast travel or roleplay fast travel, then everyone is happy, to some degree.

I love the Daggerfall(I think it was Daggerfall) fast travel which gave you the option of how carefully you would travel. You could take longer and be safer or shorten your journey by hurrying but run the risk of getting into trouble.

I also think for roleplay purposes, the player should have different levels of safety and speed depending on whether or not he has a horse or whatever Skyrim will have available.

The penalty could be that you get caught in a fight before you arrive at your location or you get set up on by thieves who steal some gold or whatever and flee before your character could catch them.

If people really want oblivion-esque fast travel (why? heaven knows) then I think it should only be selectable when you first start up a new character, i.e. do you want fast-travel enabled. If you say yes it's all yours, if you say no then the option is unavailable and there's no turning it on in the options menu later. I'd be happy with that.

That's exactly what I was saying earlier, I'm glad we have common ground!

You're putting labels on people needlessly. That is why I think it is irrelevant.

What about me saying that I don't believe a game mechanic is fun makes you think that I'm implying other people don't?

It could be easily modded or relegated to an ini option, or even as a built in cheat. I don't oppose them being able to. I just don't think it should be the only option. Fast travel momentarily breaking when your character nears hostile entities would be a good option too I think. Maybe a console command "set fasttravelonlytovisited false" etc.

I'm all for options. I was talking about the default.

I'm not labelling needlessly, how do you think game companies market their product? They want as many people to buy it as possible, so it is relevant to judge the general opinion of the different labels of people so that they can find a generally accepted method. I believe they actually achieved this with Oblivion fast travel - people who did want to use it were able to, and people who didn't want to use it were happy as well. I don't see why there's a problem here?

They are all irrelevant, but not all people realize that.

I think you're just criticizing how it was implemented, I don't believe you have anything against FT really.



This is one of the true arguments against the "don't like/don't use", finally. Too many people think "don't like/don't use" is invalid against any reason for not having OB, which is wrong, "don't like/don't use" can be very valid, except if what you just said, is the reason for you to not like OB FT.



I think this would be a good idea, it would also present some good opportunity for quests.

This could work as well, I would still like an ingame recognized system though, like caravans and such.

Morrowind travel system was very good in my opinion.
I didn't like oblivion fast travel because was unrealistic and there is no need to go on foot, due to the lack of unique dungeons and items.

The point I was making is that at some point you have to draw the line. Having an option where the player can wizz around the map instantly whether they've previously explored it or not may be fun for some people but it is hardly in the spirit of the game. With an option like fast-travel from anywhere I think that also oversteps the mark. But anyway, I can acknowledge that people want to play this way and accept the option should be open to them. I do not accept that it should be the default option though like it was in Oblivion. The choice should be made when you first start up a new character and then you're stuck with it. I also don't like the idea of changing difficultly on the fly either, but that's another story.

People who didn't want to use it were happy? Are you serious? Is that why a thread pops up every freaking week on this subject?

I really need to make this clearer because I realized I failed to do so before. I want fast travel. I don't want Oblivion fast travel because I (as in me) think (as in my opinion) that it was a lazy, un-fun, un-immersive implementation.


True, you are right.

Yes absolutely.