Naw man, you got it all wrong. Stealth suits are all about style and looking badass. Any piece of equipment can be cloaked when found on legendary enemies, but only stealth suit truly has the style. They'd be nuts not to include it in Far Harbour.

If Bethesda were to actually work with Obsidian and somehow combine Fallout 4's gameplay mechanics with Obsidian's dialogue and story you would have an amazing Fallout game. Unfortunately Bethesda is going the stubborn route it seems, which may not have backfired financially but it certainly backfired critically. If they keep going farther down this road and ignore the criticisms that many had with Fallout 4, it will end up hurting them and the franchise in the end.

As far as who Bethesda caters to, they try to cater to everyone which is a bad thing. By trying to cater to everyone they end up pissing off people in every group at some point and end up creating a game that's as wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle.

There was speculation that Obsidian might be working on a next Fallout title, and that it might be even set in New Orleans.

Beth wanted to release diff size/priced dlc's, im happy so far because I got the season pass and it added to the base game. After one or two more addons ill be able to jump back in ( taking a break now ) and get at least another 100+ hours out of it lol.

I wouldn't have minded a more interesting conclusion to it but I rushed and still took me 4-5 hours anyways, plus messing with the robots gave me another 1-2 maybe.

I question those rumors considering that Bethesda seems to be trying to ignore New Vegas entirely for some stupid reason. Though if they are true that would be great.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/3v2psk/fallout_new_orleans_confirmed/

Could be a fluke, but..... Interesting nonetheless.

That was debunked by Obsidian I believe. Though they could be lying.

yeah, it's insane, don't even start me about it....

I agree with everything you said. I also started to find myself concuring with the NMA guys and thought they were stubborn hardcoe fans who looked backwards rather than forward. But I'm coming around to their way of thinking.

And I kinda look at DLC now as an pretext to charge more for not much work, when you look at how much is in the main game. Price wise it just doesn't add up.

I like your attitude. There is an old sayig that "He who dies with the most toys wins", I believe he who dies able to really appreciate the most things they have ready access to wins.

I feel fortunate to at my age be able to feel so good about what this game and it's DLC have to offer at so little cost.

I do not know how common it is for the developers of a company to listen to their customers, and give so many so much of what they wanted, at so little cost.

I think a lot of gamers with my sci-fi background and tastes will be very happy that we can get what I have gotten out of this game and it's DLC, given how expensive similar pass times that deliver so much less are,

It seems like they are just culling what they think the best ideas are from NV and probably popular mods and fun ideas from people on forums. I would think they are trying to appease a lot of people with the choices they made, but are catering mostly to a certain set. I think Beth should make the franchise their own and make the changes necessary to go from an excellent cRPG to an excellent 3D action game, but they really seem kind of clueless, and that extends beyond Fallout. Also, they have just a vague familiarization with the lore, and that plays into it.

You make a good point about their relationship to NV. It's like they barely acknowledge its existence. Look at the Bethesda storefront--there's a lot of FO3 & FO4 stuff, but barely any FNV stuff... if they even have any anymore. I think they are kinda annoyed that their baby didn't do as well as NV critically, although I think it was a smashing success commercially. Iirc, Obsidian just barely missed out on a monetary bonus based on their metacritic score, which is still higher than FO4. I'm glad they attempted something other than the standard Bethesda "it's an RPG but most of your choices don't matter because there's one basic endgame" route, but FO4 seems comparatively shallow. I welcome another Obsidian game, if it's even in the stars.

Well you [censored] in one hand and speculate in the other...

In all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if they contracted Obsidian to do another "interim" Fallout. It would be ideal, imo. In some ways NV felt kinda rip [censored] or bust, but it was still an improvement over FO3 in all the ways that matter. I know Obsidian are pursuing their own things, but FALLOUT! for crissakes!

For the crashing problem specifically the one where you can't leave the Mechanist's lair without a CTD, deactivate all your UI mods, I disable mine and then I stopped crashing when I tried to leave the Mechanist's lair

Obsidian Stated in 2013 they would be happy to create New Vegas 2 but there's nothing regarding whether it'll happen. The other thing is Obsidian as a studio is not doing good, they've been apart of some crappy games and ultimately the original writers of Fallout(Chris and another person I forgot) left the company to work for a new studio. So Obsidian has barely anyone who has worked on the original fallouts.

Yea pretty sure this was debunked as rumor and unless something happens drastically with Obsidian and Bethesda's relationship you'll sooner see Obsidian go bankrupt then see new vegas 2.

The metacritic scores of new vegas on all platforms were 84 to 82. The user reviewers are high but you have to understand Metacritic user reviewers should NOT be taken seriously because there's too many crazy fans who will rate down a game just because of who created it or just because of it's name. Fallout 4 is equal to Fallout 2(86) on metacritic and that's saying something seeing how FO2 was pretty good according to people.

I don't know about that, New Vegas was literally built on 80% of the assets fallout 3 was. Sure they added a bunch of stuff but the main quest was literally the worst among the fallout games. The DLC is what saved new vegas but sadly it added nothing worthwhile to the main game location which would have been far more welcome.

I agree that Metacritic scores don't mean much, but some of the criticisms they have of Fallout 4 are very valid (Dated engine, terrible AI, shallow RPG elements, mediocre story, ect.).

Compared to what exactly? Fallout 3's mediocre story or Fallout 4's mediocre story? New Vegas had a far better story than Fallout 3 and 4 combined. New Vegas fit what Fallout is supposed to be about. Fallout 3 and 4 did not.

I hate to break it to you but the story in New Vegas is widely considered to be better than Fallout 3's and definitely better than Fallout 4's. That may not be the case on these forums but these forums are VERY biased towards Bethesda so that isn't very surprising.

There must be some middle ground somewhere. These crusty old heads have a point, boy do they have a point, but Fallout is going forward, not backward.

On your second point, I take issue with it. There are plenty of DLCs that basically cheat the end user because the ending or the proper ending is famously a pay to play feature or it's tacked on nonsense or whatever. Beth do at least provide updates regularly (whether they actually fix every broken thing notwithstanding), and the content they provide is afterproduct and may even be fan service, like Broken Steel was to people that wanted to play past the endgame or MZ was to people that wanted more alien ammo and weapons. Beth provides a very expansive base game to begin with.

Interesting, was not aware of Chris' split from Obsidian. I would amend all my former mentions of Obsidian in this thread to Chris Avellone and/or Josh Sawyer. Honestly, Josh Sawyer to me seems to be the linch pin between eras now so I feel his input would be the most invaluable. Actually, I would prefer the average fan write the next Fallout game rather than Todd and Emil Paruglio or whoever comes up with the Beth stuff.

Bethesda really needs to get better writers who actually understand the franchise because they clearly do not.

I will commend them on the Robobrain stuff in Automatron though. They actually got that right.

This would have been better if I could travel with my brand new robot buddy without gimping my character. As it stands, travelling with one negates Lone Wanderer perk, whereas I had hoped that they would have given us a pass on this one since A. you can travel with Dogmeat without losing it and B. the robot companion seems like the whole point of the DLC at the bottom line. I just paid $10 to lose 25% of my damage, 30% damage resist, and 100lbs of carry weight if I want to actually enjoy the product.

You're actually completely right.

I don't personally care about metacritic, I was just pointing out that Obsidian was maybe a point shy of a contractual bonus based on metacritic scores and they weren't given anything extra despite the huge success of the game. Which is all fine and good, it was after all contractual. I believe they were meant to hit 85 to get the bonus and only got 84, or that they were supposed to get 90 and got 89 (at the time) or whatever.

To say that NV was built on 80% assets as FO3 is entirely unfair. They created a lot of new physical assets in the game, they added tons of new gameplay value as far as consumables and equipment go (not to mention crafting), re-introduced traits and perks every other level, they balanced it fairly well (arguable, but undoubtedly better than 3), they added companion loyalty quests and perks, had a hardcoe mode from the get go, and the main questline was able to be completed in four major ways with quest outcomes and ending slides reflecting a large number of permutations for followers and secondary factions based on your choices in game. In some ways, the questline felt a bit less epic than previous titles, including FO3 (which frankly takes cheap emotional shots, plays up drama, and makes a big deal out of nothing), but there was a lot to make up for that. To call the MQ "literally the worst among the Fallout games" is a slap in the face considering the amount of meaningful choices in NV as compared to even FO 1 & 2, let alone the totally linear MQ of FO3... and FO4 is considered by many to be a very shallow game... and I will venture that that is because of a lack of "gray" choices, you are basically looking at who is the absolute least repulsive faction to you--even when you find one that isn't that absolutely horrible to you you're tasked with destroying other factions unless perhaps you side with the absolutely bland and soulless Minutemen good guys.

So, uh, in summation and such, I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

i don't see the point of the forum being for people who hate the game and don't play it, a lot of people hate on bethesda for their vision and development of the fallout franchise, its one thing having opions and likes and dislikes and something totally differfent to have people who obviously do not play the game and all they do is live on forums and have nothing but negative nonsense about a game they don't even like or play, i don't see the point of a fallout 4 forum being so people who are all ticked off at bethesda for owning the fallout franchise to just spread hate and argue with everyone who likes the game, there's some of those people and they need to kicked off the site, they prob are but come back with other nicknames so those people shouldn't be on here.

You're making a lot of assumptions about people who have criticisms of or don't like Fallout 4 pal. Don't do that, it solves nothing.

Also, Criticism is good. A company getting nothing but praise isn't. Fallout 4 has a LOT wrong with it despite what some here may claim and pointing out those flaws and dislikes on these forums is the best way to bring it to Bethesda's attention.

fallout 3 was a great game, and despite your negative review of it , its really inconsequential, more people's first fallout game was fallout 3 so they don't have and it doesn't matter, the reference point of comparing it to fallout 1 and 2, fallout sold 12 million copies and most of the those people never played fallout 1 or 2 and couldn't care less, fallout 1 and 2 combined, sold 400,000 units so, and compare that to fallout 3's 12 millon, and so your argument about how fallout 3 isn't really a proper fallout game doesn't matter to most people, most people's experience with fallout doesn't include fallout 1 and 2, so they have no beef with bethesda like you do, you need to move on and just accept the fact that bethesda owns the franchise not black isle, and they have no obligation to make the game as some duplicate or copy of fallout 1 and 2, if they did do that and made the game different from what they do best which is world building, enemies to fight, tactical locations for combat and exploring, if they deviated from what they are succesful at, there would of been no NV or no fallout 4, so i really put no weight in your opinion regarding fallout 3 or fallout 4 since its biased and based on a dislike of bethesda developing fallout games.

I agree. Points out actual flaws is a big thing... It's just, we need to agree on what is an actual flaw in Fallout 4 and what is just opinion, that's the real issue with having multiple critics... Which is the forums is all about a lot. Fallout 4, like any game, has a lot of issues and flaws, which I would gladly point out and criticize myself... It's just, takes some thinking on other things, due to the opinion side of things.

I think there are very very few people who post here that hate FO4, sure there are a lot that complain about it but [censored]ing and complaining is kind of the number one way people seem to express themselves these days.

Back on point, the critisisms are mostly born from people who got super hyped and excited for the game based on the info they got. And while they were waiting their imaginations created higher and higher standards and expectations of what they were going to get. I imagine a lot of people believed that FO4 would use a new game engine (while a lot of seasoned fans would have told them this would definitly not happen, at least not yet) and are probably the majority of the people that complained that FO4 was too similar to FO3.

Personally I used to complain a lot about Oblivion when it came out. One of my expectations for example was that the map was going to be super super huge, as I was going by a map comparison of the isle of vvardenfell and Cyrodil. And was extremely sour over the size of the map for a long time. As well as being sour over the reduction in number and variety of weapons, armor, and skills vs features. Over all though in the long run the improved combat and mods have made Oblivion my favorite elderscrolls game.