Is the Coc an avatar of Sheogorath after the si quest line? I mean if the coc turned into sheo then he would become the shere of madness and be unkillable if he was a deadra. So maybe that explains why you don't get any special powers and look like your character and not a bearded man, and you can go back the cyrodil

Apparently he has to "wear in" his new powers.

Personally, I don't like the idea, so that's all from me, lest I get some mass flaming from slight disagreements.

Maybe the CoC just went crazy and thinks he's Sheogorath. Boy that would be funny. :laugh: I mean, Sheo makes other adventurers go crazy, what if the main quest was just his special way of making your character insane. And you're locked away in the Isles forever, and anytime you leave is just a hallucination.


I thought I was the only one to have that happen to me!

The CoC becomes Sheogorath, therefore he becomes the Shivering Isles. I'm of the belief that the CoC's physical appearance fades away and his avatar looks just the avatar of his predecessor. However, the CoC becomes Sheogorath himself, not just an avatar. With the conclusion of Knights of the Nine, the CoC is confirmed to be an avatar of Shezarr, however. The process of fully becoming Sheogorath takes time, though.

Pretty much what seti18 said.

What makes you guys think your character isn't just crazy and imagining hes Sheo? There isn't really anyway to tell...

(Not trying to spark an argument, just asking.)

That would be... interesting. The main quest of the Isles was designed to make the CoC insane, but the commonly accepted belief is that it was for him to become Sheogorath. One of the cool things of the whole thing is that you can interpret the whole story as a way of making the CoC becoming a madman who just rambles about being Sheogorath in some little corner rather than being Sheogorath, but the whole point from the CoC's point of view is that the whole thing was to free Jyggalag.

Have you played through the questline before?

Unless from someone else's perspective you're running around the Isles pretending to use a stick to freeze people while Sheogorath laughs his ass off. :laugh:


I'm the duke of Dementia but no farther than that. I know what happens though.

It'd say it would be boring and therefore wrong (BATW) if the CoC just went insane and is now curled up in a corner saying he's Sheogorath. It would be too much of an http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllJustADream.

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That's actually really awesome! Go work for Bethesda!

Seriously, that's a really in depth, yet simple storyline, right there.



I'm a member of Bethesda's Forums that dislikes fast travel and quest markers. Of course I get it! ^_^

That's lame. I forgot about that element of ES lore. It seemed like a fitting end for a champion, utterly insane and drooling.



That's where I thought the story was heading right after the quest where you make the adventures go crazy in that fort. I was just thinking to myself, "Wait, what if this is what Sheogorath is doing to me..."

He/she is insane and he/she is drooling, but he/she's drooling over cheese and brain pie.

The CoC was probably at least a little insane before he entered the Isles, though. If he/she truly takes after Pelinal, I believe he/she was a mer-murdering madman(try saying that 10 times fast) before he entered the Isles.

It seems more plausible that he is just crazy and thinks he's Sheogorath. It would be out of character for Sheogorath NOT to try and make someone insane.

Well, I'd say that the CoC before KotN had an incredibly bad case of multiple personality disorder. He was the head of the fighters guild, mages guild, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, the Champion of Cyrodiil, the imitator of Pelinal, and an the freelancer. For anyone to be the heads of all of those, and switch his or her role so easily has to be clearly insane.

Oh lord my CoC is suicidal and homicidal.

I don't like the coc as a mental patient outlook, (I do believe that the coc was probably nuttier than squirrel poo before the trip to the isles.)

I thought sheo was becoming extremely lucid as he became jyggy. Jyggy didn't want to become sheo again, and sheo didn't want to destroy his realm so he probably was becoming more rational as he became jyggy.

And if he didn't stop the greymarch then the drooling coc would have died just like the rest of the realm.

Who said it wasn't just another one of Sheogorath's games with mortals? Maybe Sheogorath kicked him out of his realm befoer Greymarch happened, if not, because he likes him. If he dies, anyway, that's by far the best way to get rid of a character. Quick, simple, and no hope for him to come back.

that would be funny if the coc popped out of the gate and that one guard cut him down as he began gibbering about knights of order

I think the idea of the CoC being insane is rediculas. Bethesda would have made that clear if it were true. The CoC does not become the avatar of Sheogorath he infact does not even become a daedric prince according to Haskil.

Bethesda isn't known for making things very clear.

I remember reading in lore that daedra princes can be anything they want, male, female, even visual appearance can change (though the ability to be male or female kinda falls under changing visual appearance). They may also be able to change what they are lord of I recall something about what a deadra lord supports can change a bit depending on who they associate with (mortal groups I think).

You could become the daedra lord of Massively elaborate practical jokes and sarcasm (a trickster).

Neither are any of you lot, i have no idea what's going on.

What about sth in manner of the Dragon Break?

1. CoC is Divine Crusader (avatar of Shezzar)
and
2.Another CoC is Prince of Madness.(two separte entities, like Mannimarco, Akatosh-Lorkhan...)

or CoC after fulfilling his role as an avatar of Shezaar has gone to SI and become a God of Madness. (simple way)

^He will be slowly morphing with entity(power of SI) known as Sheogorath or only his presence will be seen as that of ol' good Sheo:d - his true form will be that of CoC.

In other words future Sheogorath (TES V and later) will be the same ol' madman known form previous TES games:d

^It's very easy for Bethesda to keep lore unchanged.

MY QUESTION:

What about Jyggalag?
I'd be nice to see his shrine in TESV. Some books about him?

New daedric prince(power) would be nice as well but this is unlikely(Oblivion would be packed:D)

Because the idea that everything which happened in Shivering Isles was all in the player character's imagination would render the whole thing meaningless, not to mention it would be boring, after all, why should I be interested in things that, even within the setting of the story, did not actually happen and have no real impact on the rest of the story? I hate it when stories pull that horrible twist, and I'd prefer to believe Bethesda would not do such a thing, so I have no doubt that everything within Shivering Isles was real, and that the player character did, in fact, become the new Sheogorath, I'm not necessarily sure I like that idea, but it's much better than the whole thing being a mad dream, at least. I would imagine that over time, the Champion of Cyrodiil will "grow in" to the role and have full access to the powers of a Daedric Prince, though, and will probably also take on the form that the old Sheogorath favored, and his personality, thus avoiding the issue brought up by the fact that not every player's Champion of Cyrodiil is the same.

That's pretty much what I've argued for in lore discussions. That also seems to be a consensus, but don't quote me. Plus, it's BATW to have it be some dream sequence where once the CoC entered, he became some random loony who thinks he's Sheogorath.

Either way, the CoC is now out of the picture, like all the other heroes of TES.