Checking your skill level kills immersion.

@jdeacon: Either enchant will be magic and alchemy stealth/combat, there won't be any more specializations (they already cut classes), or there will be a fourth non-combat classification that includes alchemy, smithing, and enchant.

I hope the fact that Enchanting is back means that not everyone will be able to use enchantments equally well (i.e. you need to be skilled at it). Otherwise it'll be like Oblivion where even the most pure-hearted barbarian can pack his bag full of scrolls, potions and enchanted weaponry and be as good as any mage could hope to (or better).

Armor skills? Well, it would make sense if heavier armor needed some skill and lightweight didn't, but it wouldn't make any sense to be able to shift between any kind of armor effortlessly.

IMO, no one's going to be happy with weapon skills. Obviously swinging a 1H axe is different from swinging a 1H sword, but one could also argue that swinging a 1H longsword feels different than swinging a 1H katana. And seeing as how they can't make a different skill for each weapon, I say let them streamline it a bit. Though I may be a bit biased as I could always just change it with mods if I don't like it.

Also, I'm fairly sure Mysticism was the only magic skill that was cut. Pretty sure there's a screenshot in the mag showing all six other magic skills as being still in the game.

True. In reality, even different weapons of the same or similar size (for instance a foil and sabre) require completely different skill sets to use effectively.

Remember, the perks system will help your character specialize. We already have the example of the mace perk that makes armor get ignored. There are probably similar skills for other weapons.

So in the end, though you may be able to use all weapons well, you'll only be able to do your REAL damage with the weapons you specialize in.

Sneak and security are not together in Fallout :mellow:

Sneak and Lockpick are two very different skills.


IBHO they're gonna do away with blunt and blade and go with one handed and two handed.
IBHO=In Bethesda's honest opinion

haha is that so? I haven't been able to read the GI article as I haven't seen it in the shops over here yet. at least Bethesda and I are on the same wavelength!

hmmm so only 18 skills this time....no major minor system. and it sounds like they got rid of ability scores maybe also?

maybe there will be sub-skills. for instance, destruction magic: the more you use fireball. the better your fireball gets? 1 handers: the more you use a shortsword, the better you get at shortsword? illusion: the more you use chameleon, the better your chameleon gets.....meaning the particular skill gets better, and not the whole set. i sure hope this is how its done.

ps. anyone notice ICESPIKE. i wonder how thats gonna look? also confirms atleast some form of new spells.

I'm actually in favour of streamlining the weapon skills (and perhaps armour skills; I'm fond of having light and heavy be separate, though I might prefer 'Armour' and 'Unarmoured' to be the only armour skills). I've never considered any RPG's combat to be anywhere near detailed or "realistic" enough to make such fine distinctions between weapon types necessary.

Without meaning to be confrontational at all... do any of those concerned about the loss of immersion as a result of simplified weapon skills actually know how different weapon types are wielded? Very few people know how to fight efficiently with a broad range of medieval weaponry, so I fail to relate to this "lack of immersion" or "lack of realism" players seem to find so noticable when more weapon types are covered by fewer skills.

Case in point: the Blunt skill actually makes quite a bit of sense for the wielding of axes.

This is pretty much what I'm expecting. For example: you have general experience bashing things with large objects that take both hands, but you've put a lot of extra practice into axes, they just feel 'right' and you pity any fool that faces you when a two handed axe is in your hands.

If everything is going to be based on perks, why are they including skills at all? If you throw fireballs all the time, you get better at throwing fireballs. Why does there need to be a "Destruction" skill?

What is this nonsense that consoles = dumbed down? That is... [censored].

Furthermore, I am sick of explaining this. Perks will let you specialize within a skill.

All those skills will still be there, just under the hood. If you want to get good at using an axe, use an axe. Why do you need to see the exact number? Enjoy the beautiful game and all that'll be possible within it.

It sounds like it will be a very different kind of RPG (in terms of character skill management and lists) than previous TES games and compared to other games in the same genre.

I'm familiar with the oodles of skills type of thing from previous TES games and from other RPGs. I can't quite see how the Skyrim skills and stuff is going to work out, I guess we'd need more info - and maybe even then we won't really understand it is released.

I'm cautiously optimistic that this very dramatic change might be for the better. I just hope this new system has been really well thought through and tested.

why is my comment systematically deleted ?? I am entitled to my opinion, which is that the loss of these 3 skills is due to further adaptation to the console market. it is, basically, a dumbing down.
why do Beth systematically delete negative opinion on this game ? stop the censorship.

This may very well be the end of The Elder Scrolls for TES fans (ones who like The Elder Scrolls as an RPG, not an action game).

I think that, in order to have a proper feeling of one's role, that the perks be diverse, interesting, and very unique. None of this "Bullcrap Perk #1: Raises X skill by X amount, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr". Those aren't fun. Those aren't interesting.

It's obvious that rather than having one's character's uniqueness be determined by one's major/minor skills and attributes, that instead they are now using perks to achieve that end. As Rabish pointed out, perks are so much more straight forward and easy to understand how they would impact one's ability to play. But, as I said, they have to do it right, or else it will be a frustratingly boring experience.


This is a private forum. The rules are the rules are the rules. If you sincerely think that they are dumbing the game down, perhaps you should form more down to earth arguments supported by evidence and attempt to be as non-inflammatory as possible. But considering what you're blaming, that's doubtful.

I'm a 33 years old 360 owner. gaming on PC since I was 13. I played RPGs on PC, and now I play RPGs on console, for money reasons, essentially. and I can say that RPGs have been VERY dumbed down during the past 10 years, in a vast, vast way.

and the paranoia begins setting in w/ the hardcoe fans.

maybe developers are bored of trying to replicate a pen and paper experience when they could just go play a pen and paper RPG, and are instead choosing to explore different avenues for the evolution of role-playing videogames that aren't just rehashing what's already been done a hundred times?

If melee is divided between just one handed and two handed how is that going to work? If I play the game until say level 20 with just a dagger then want to switch to a long sword I'm going to be just as proficient with it even if I never even picked one up until level 20? Doesn't make sense.

Maybe you specialize using perks? Choose dagger, sword, axe, blunt, or pole. On your next levelup, you may get new perks to choose from in your specialization (i.e. sword), or choose to pick blunt as a backup.

Edit:
Oh, misread that slightly. Well, that's the point, isn't it? You choose early to specialize and get those bonuses, or choosing something else and get slower leveling. For me it means that if I trained hard to be a marksman, that's who I am in the late game too. As in real life, you can only do so much in a lifetime. Except in the game, that lifetime tends to be less than a year.

I think they are deleting the posts that are considered bashing. From what I read you persistantly bash on consoles and many times mods have said that bashing any platform is strictly prohibited. Perhaps thats why

It doesn't really matter if it is a "blade" or a "blunt" weapon if there are no different damagetypes and resistances accordingly.