Why? As I see it, it's like calling the holy trinity Phi, Sigma, and Eta (Greek for f, s, and h)

It's cool. :mellow:

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It's A, S, and V in daedric, dawg

I believe the OP gets that.

I know that, it's just that I don't understand why they would be named after their initials in a foreign language. My example was originally going to be Chinese, as it would be more fitting than Greek, but Chinese doesn't use Letters.

The dunmer seem to use daedric as the default standard of letter writing, or for holy scripture (see sign posts and the like around MW). They were daedric worshipers, and to use RL examples, it could be like what the Catholic church did in older times in reading Bible scripture in Latin. And using "dawg" was more going in line with what Stone Frog said.

Ayem, Seht, and Vehk are their mortal names originally. They changed their names when they became the Tribunal gods. I.E. Vivec means Vehk and Vehk (Mortal Vehk and God Vehk as two seperate but same entities).

If you are referring to the 36 lessons of Vivec, I'd say the names are more of a holy name than ones they originally used.

:lmao:

And so VEHK spoke to them, in [MONKEYLAND, who am I trying to fool?]
That's rather random, but what annoys me is that almost all loreapes write Vehk instead of Vivec, extra points for capitalized letters and using AYEM and SEHT too! :brokencomputer:

I don't believe the being who calls himself Vivec and Vehk was really called that any more than I believe P Diddy is Sean Combs' real name.

Fact of the matter is, there's a version of their past which never existed since they were given a new background at the Red Moment they became the Tribunal. In that version of history, they probably had more normal names like the House Dunmer we encounter in Morrowind. The Jills of Akatosh deleted that save game, however. It's a little too convenient - like a version of the Witness Protection Program that really works.

Vivec is kinda like that kid who has a dark, dirty little secret he would sneak into the school archives to erase. Nobody needs to know about that time he stood over a trembling Guar and first uttered the phrase "this is Muatra. Guess what it represents." The farm life ain't easy.

Ah, I guess I was wrong. Thanks for the explanation.

What's with all the Vehk hate here? He's the awesomest video game character ever.

He was a http://www.indopedia.org/Vivec.html, to be exact. He probably gave that up for city life, where he became infatuated with the silver-tongued, barbarian Nerevar and the cosmic idealism of Soth-Sil.

An aside: this is the http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7276/dagoth9bmm3.jpg.

He's the most awesome, cool ass in history of video game characters if that helps, just don't like him in-world.

And that picture, jackfrost :bowdown:

I always just figured they all changed their own names to sound more regal. "Almalexia" sounds more regal than "Ayem," in my opinion at least.


Funny thing, I read the TVTropes article for TES and on the link for Alternate Character Interpretation they said that he was either that (best ever) or a Black Hole Sue, depending on who you ask.


I'd imagine so. After all, aren't there countless cases in real-history of average people being drawn to charismatic heroes (or, in a particularly tragic case, a villain who legitimately though he was a mythic hero).

Also, that picture is amazing.

He is a black hole sue(I can imagine what that means, if it has a parallell to the well known "mary sue"), no question. No matter how good of a character is that can't MK making the world revolve around his godhood. I mean, all the lore discussions are fuelled by it, as if there wasn't anything else.

A "Black Hole Sue", eh? Curious, would you characterize Tiber as a "Black Hole Sue"? They're nearly identical in function, but Vivec talks funny words, which actually grab our attention. I would agree he's a kind of BHS, or something close, but he just might function that way on purpose, and beneficially to the plot. Plus, the dude can't help he's a hermaphrodite, born to a race of elves who drive fleas. I'd talk funny too.

The player character is an example of a BHS, seeing as they don't serve the plot.

Also, Vivec is missing from alot of MK's lore.

Hey I'm just saying what I saw, I'm not saying that's what he is. Also consider a BHS makes all other characters lose their function by both stealing screen/page time and doing everything, particularly what other characters are supposed to do. And since I don't see him magically fixing all of everything after the hero (who would alrerady have to be shown capable of succeeding) fails for some contrived reason, he doesn't seem to fit.

EDIT PS: Although now that I look at it, there are a lot of threads that turn into Vivec threads. Is that because of the stuff written about him, though? Sounds more like he has a particularly dedicated fanbase by coincidence than some mary sue-ness.

Upon apperance, the world revolves around them, and they don't contribute to the plot. A perfect example of the player character. anyway

Most discussions involving Vivec revolve around Chim or his vocab., but mostly its about Chim. Its his avenue into most topics. Its seldom a topic about his character can stay a topic about his character.

Seen any TES religious discussion not containing CHIM lately? It's not that he's everywhere, it's that he's everything(according to himself).
I know it's not only vivec, but the others at least don't shrow their "enlightenment" and absolute truth around.

So is Talos. Talos isn't the talk of the town. Why? Because he doesn't talk funny. It isn't some lapse of character development, or poor plot planning, which makes Vivec the center of attention. Even if he is everyone, he's never pulled an agent Smith and actually stolen a scene, the way you think he's capable of doing.

Also, forum topics aren't scenes from the fiction. If he "steals the scene" here, its because of lame jokes and questions, which are what this forum is all about.

All I'm saying is, there's a better trope. A cross of a bhs and something else, maybe.


"Don't show it around". Yep, Cyrodiil's climate change was totally incognito.

I looked up that "Black hole sue", and I now agree that tiber septim is more of one, or just a lame excuse.

Or, he doesn't talk at all - ie, his character hasn't been developed to nearly the degree that Vivec's has, there's just not as much known to talk about...

I was thinking he went gagged because of his souvernir, from the assassination. That, and he had Ysmir on his tongue alot. Though no, he's not nearly as developed.


I'd still agree Vivec is much like a bhs. Whether you like him or not, he's still got more character, and plot relevance, than those page wasters. That's all I'm saying.