Please dont shoot me for asking this

I was thinking that there are very little in the way of Ayleid quest mods and wanted to make one. The only thing holding me back is the fact that I am unsure whether the Ayleid could return in anyway. I know in KOTN the Ayleid Sorcerer King makes his retrun [if only for a short while], there must be someone else or multiple people that could.

My question is: Is this possible?

Thanks,

IS

Yes and no. Yes because the Ayleid aren't dead. They've fled to Valenwood and High Rock. No because the Ayleid are dead as a people. The people who fled have been assimilated. So while there might be mer like Umaril, the Ayleid as a people are long gone. Even the ones that didn't move out of Cyrodiil supposedly have become the Wild Elves.

It all depends on what you do. Though I don't think people are asking for the return of yet another Ayleid villain from Oblivion.

Hmm, so they are not dead, did not know that. So if they are scattered to the point they are a not a people any more, would it still be in lore if I were to return to a time before they became scattered?

The whole idea here is to stick as close to lore as I can. So is there any way they could be brought back?, say another villian but in a unique way?

The Ayleid just interest me, just as much as the Dwemer [but the COR mod is dealing with them], so making a detailed lore correct quest is something I would like to develop.

If there was an Ayleid equivalent of Nerevar, they could unite the Wild Elves and possibly a few of the Ayleids that fled to Valenwood and High Rock (I think that some do still call themselves Ayleids, or did until recently).

But just how many Wild Elves there are is unknown. There probably aren't more than a few thousand, if we assume the population of Cyrodiil to be about a million, and they are probably only found in the remotest of regions, possibly in jungle that has became inaccessible. The Alessian government was ruthless in massacring most, but not all, Ayleid cities, so I doubt there'd be one of those somewhere.

An Ayleid city, cool

Uniting the Ayleid sounds cool, though I would prefer to limit the search to just Crodill, due to the scale of creating the other places. It would be nice for the player to become the Ayleid counterpart to the Nerevar and search the landscape looking for remnants of the Ayleids and re-unite them for some purpose.

I think the Ayleids are too scattered and interbred with other mer (and probably humans) to be reunited. In "Oblivion", the wealthy (Altmer) collector Umbecano wants to use an Ayleid crown and bring back what he regards as his people, but he's an exception and fails in his effort anyway, thanks to the player character.

The Ashlanders are another example of a scattered and powerless people; the remnants of the Ayleids are Wild Elves, even more scattered apparently (where they haven't been absorbed into the population by marriage). The Ashlanders we're shown in "Morrowind" are proud but unlikely to rise again. The Ayleid remnants are even harder to find.

Given that, it sounds very unlikely they could return again. As stated by proweler, Oblivion players would prefer to see them in a different way than just an Ayleid come back for revenge, so to speak.

So really this looks like there is not much in the way of options for bringing them back.

Unless you have a Wild Elf firebrand wander into civilisation and start brainwashing the Altmer...

Or if there was an Ayleid equivalent of Dagoth Ur

They're in Ovlivion, what do you think the deer are?

Ayleids at the end of the Third Era would have been at a state like the native americans after Wounded Knee (IMO).

Asking if the Ayleids can come back is like asking if the Romans can come back. They never left, only their culture.

People with Ayleid blood walk the streets of all provinces of the Empire. Some sip coffee in the shade in the Temple District of Imperial City. Some work as House retainers in Morrowind. Some hunt deer in Valenwood. Some sit on the Council of Magisters in Summerset Isle and some are in witches covens in High Rock. Some even live as Barbarians in the Dragontail Mountains. They've interbred with basically everyone.

edit: Asking if beings such as Umaril can return, it's unlikely. He was more of an Idea..a last desperate thrust of the sword for the Elven Superiority movement espoused by the Ayleid Empire. He wasn't even a real Elf. He was a half demonic being whose flesh was supported by Daedric energies and whose hatred was tempered by years trapped in another dimension. He was an avatar of a bygone age, and he lies properly dead now. He's in the same place as the Dwarves. With his spiritual form died the Ayleid Empire.

The Ayleidoon whom fled to Valenwood weren't so much assimilated, as merely adapted to their new environment. They became Tribal, but didn't become synonymous with the Bosmer, and remained their own people, and also you must keep in mind that basically all of the peoples of Tamriel have changed since the times of the oringinal Ayleid people, so really their current state could be challenged as a natural progression of their culture/society.

Dont forget the Wild Elves. They didnt became assimilated by other cultures - of course, their culture is nothing really Ayleid anymore, either, most likely.

So, uh, yes, the Romans example is best. Could somebody come and unite all the Romans nowadays? Err... (mind, pan-romancist romantic-ultranationalist movements existed, particularily in the 19th century, but thats really crazy fringe).

I mentioned the Wild Elves. But anyway, once the sub-sahara and the middle east join the Europian union, I'd say we're well on our way.

Gah. Still too tired. Sorry
And the EU is evil. Must be a subconscious anti-universalist streak of me, never liked the Tamrielic Empire, either

I did not know that

I think it may be best to put this idea to bed. There is no Umaril type character to bring back and re-uniting any of the Ayleid sounds pretty imposible. Now I know why there are no mods like this

Thank you all for your replies though, very interesting.

Maybe you could create an Ayleid city in Cyrodiil that contains what remains of the civilized "pure" Ayleids. Or maybe there could be some sort of magical device that brings out the Ayleid in the ones who have Ayleid blood, turning them into Ayleids.

Both are lame, I'm trying here!

Well, since Cyrodiil is a jungle in the lore there is a possibility that a small group still hides deep in the jungle. But for a mod of Oblivion... I don't think even a small group can hide for thousands of years in just a small forest.

Unfortunately, Cyrodiil is not a jungle anymore. New lore overrides old lore.

Since we encountered no Ayleids in Oblivion, it's likely there are lore-wise none left to make a return. Unless they pull a reverse-Dwemer. But there are bloodlines in other types of elves, as we saw with Umbacano, so at best it would be a conglomerate of Ayleid descendants forming a new Ayleid empire.

Well its kind of a joke, but also steeped in fact as the Wild Elves were well-known to change into animals to evade detection. Its as good an explanation as any on why they weren't in Oblivion like they should have been.

Only when it suits us.

Tiber Septim kinda used his icy breath to turn the jungles into forests, but that doesn't mean there aren't some dense areas of forest in the actual lore that weren't represented by game mechanics. I'd say a couple thousand Wild Elves live in Cyrodill, but you won't notice them. You'll see 'em as birds, as deer, even rocks or trees. A clever detect life spell or something might tell the difference but not the naked human eye. They're mostly harmless anyway and have little in common with their slavemaster ancestors. They've probably developed new tribal traditions and religions and don't have much in common with the old Empire.

What did you say? I couldnt hear you over turning the pages of the PGE 1st Edition


Cyrodiil is an entire province miniaturised on a gamefield barely larger than Morrowinds (the game, I mean), which is just part of a province (and already very much miniatruised at that). If there are no Wild Elves in OB, its because they didnt make it into the miniature, not because tehy arent there in Cyrodiil lorewise.