sorry if thise already been ask but wene i typed Baar Dau in search it coulndt find anyting


my question is now vivec is rumord to be gone will Baar Dau still crash into the city? or like some storys say has it a mind of its own and stays there?

I imagine Vivec let it down gently before his power waned, after the events of the Morrowind MQ.

Muthsera,

I had once asked the exact same question and was lucky enough to get a reply from MK regarding the query. Although I am still searching for the exact link / quote, his reply was essentially "who says that it is still standing? Fear the Red Year."

Take it for what its worth. I will continue to search for the link. Until then, I remain...


___The Word Merchant of Julianos

oke wonder if the red year means the oblivion crisis in that case i hope 1 futher games also brings us back to Vvardenfell to see what destruction/changes the elderscroll IV done to the land ;S and i what shape the city of vivec lies now

Someone brought up a quote in Tes Moments thread, about the Daedra attacking Ghostgate. That seems counter-intuitive, seeming that at the end of Morrowind we all probably thought that Ghostgate was no longer needed. The shields were no longer there, but the Daedra seemed interested in it. Why didn't they attack Vivec City itself?

Scared of Baar Dau, perhaps?

well the only 2 posibilitys i could think of that they didnt atack vivec is that 1 maby vivec gafe himself to the deadra in return they left the city vivec alone is the only maby intresting thing in vivec city worthfull for the deadra and we heard in rumors in oblivion vivec disapeard under mysterios conditions if im corect
or 2 they knew Baar Dau was going to crash and they seem no reason to atack the city only to lose their man wile the outcome would be the same

"When Nerevar returned, he saw the frozen comet above his lord's city. He asked whether or not Vivec wanted it removed.

'I would have done so myself if I wanted, silly Hortator. I shall keep it there with its last intention intact, so that if the love of the people of this city for me ever disappear, so shall the power that holds back their destruction.'

Nerevar said, 'Love is under your will only.'"http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#33

We've no reason to believe Vivec is no longer loved, so it's probably right were he left it...

Edit: Never mind I need to read things completely before responding.

could be but in rumors vivec has been disapeared and as the tribunal no longer hold any power anymore and there 3 so called gods no longer present woulndt the people either go back to their origan religions or to the ways of the nine divines? wich would lose the faith and love for vivec making the power disapear right?

I maintain that the rumors in Oblivion are slightly exaggerated, as any rumor is bound to be by the time its passed from Vvardenfell all the way to Cyrodiil. A three-thousand year old belief system doesn't dissipate overnight, yes, they'll slowly make their way back to Daedric & Saint worship but its ludicrous to say that the Tribunal won't hold major prominence for quite some time. The Temple (even with a weakened Indoril) has vast power in Morrowind and the common people are too superstitious to just fall away from Tribunal worship (as given credence by how when you tell anybody in Morrowind that you've killed Almalexia they dismiss you as being crazy and tell you go repent). And even if direct worship of the Tribunal eventually fades out, it doesn't mean the people won't still revere and love them...

It has also been theorized on the lore forum that the Red Year refers not to the Oblivion Crisis, but to the moon possibly someday falling into Vivec City. I think the "Loveletter from the Fifth Era" refers to a far distant future when the population of Vvardenfell (and possibly a larger region) consists of the descendants of Dunmer miners who survived an apocalyptic event. Their descendants are described as building an underground city, only emerging aboveground at certain times of the year when the winds have died down. This event is still not confirmed, let alone its cause, however.

Here: http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=864127&hl=landfall

Apologies to MK and everyone if I'm off-base.

When one slays Vivec in-game, the comet should've immediately crashed down on his Palace, as a way of punishing the player instead of that insipid "doomed world, reload previous save" pop-up box.

well what i read and understoot seems like the 4th era becomes a trouble time
as i take a little piece from it: "You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. The Numidium. The Endeavor. The Prolix Tower. CHIM. The Enantiomorph. The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man. "
if the elder scroll V indeed takes place in the 4th era then thise maby some things we may see if i dont missunderstoot
and i could see that its indeed posible that thats the red year

[censored]! There's already a Baar?

That wouldn't have happened. Vivec doesn't need to be physically alive for his divinity to uphold the moon. If you slew Vivec before completing the MQ, he was still a god. If you slew him afterward, he knew CHIM anyway. And it doesn't matter even if you completely destroyed him without CHIM or divinity - it's the love of his people for him that keeps the moon up. Who among them would ever believe he's dead?

The Ghostgate is surely one of the strongest Dunmeri fortifications. The Daedra besieged it because the Dunmer of Vvardenfell took their last stand there after Ald'Ruhn was destroyed. That's pretty straightforward.

The ghost gate, without the barrier, is full of huge gaping holes. Maybe the Daedra are interested in the mechanics that had transformed the Dunmer souls into a physical barrier? I don't see why it would really interest them, though, unless Dagon thought such a barrier could have kept him out of Kvatch. :shrug:

Maybe it wasn't the gate that was the goal so much as the warriors there. There were probably more troops than the handful we saw during "Morrowind", especially since Ald'Ruhn had fallen by now. Probably a large force was at the Ghostgate by the time the Daedra struck, and made a last stand the way they did at Ald'Ruhn.

"Redorans! Tonight we dine in Oblivion!"

Let me explain what I mean.

The Ghostfence was a magical barrier running around a whole mountain to keep something from getting out. It is no longer in function, so that now people and monsters alike can go to and fro unchecked. This is the thing that is full of holes, and it has little to do with what we're talking about here.

Namely, the Ghostgate is a stronghold in the usual sense of the word - a place designed to be defendable for a long time by a relatively small group of people, a place designed to withstand siege. Moreover, the Ghostgate is a base of the Buoyant Armigers, and I don't think it would be abandoned merely six years after the Vvardenfell crisis. Certainly, the purpose of the Ghostgate after the fall of the Ghostfence is no longer to stop people from going into or out of the Red Mountain region, which doesn't mean that the fortress itself lost any of its fortressy attributes. Further, I'm almost sure the Ghostgate was referenced in lore as the strongest fortification in all of Vvardenfell, so it is naturally the place where the people would go to for protection; think Helm's Deep in LOTR.

None of this would interest the daedra in any significant way except for the fact that they want all people and their fortifications gone.

Why? Daedra don't come in to conquer and settle the land. Frankly, they really can't come into the Mundus unless called or through special means (Sotha Sil's arrangement with the Daedric Princes, the Dragonfires). The Daedra don't want to destroy everything for the sake of it. Sure, Dagon likes stomping on people, but I don't picture him as the type to hunt down the last few survivors - he mostly appears, destroys stuff, and then leaves. That's what he does; his sphere is destruction. I don't really understand why the lesser daedra would give a flying poo about what happens on Nirn, other than scratching their heads at the whole 'mortality' and 'death' thing.

Ghostgate, is a GATE. It isn't some huge fortress. And I doubt the Bouyant Armiger's force is comparable to the entire imperial legion - really, they're just an elite group of fighters, not a standing army.

I guess I find it confusing why TES keeps using Dagon as some big bad boogey man that wants to trash Nirn - as if he's got some personal grudge or something against it. I mean, he might have been behind Tharn's actions in Arena, and he was definitely behind the whole Battlespire thing - is he just trying to destroy the Towers that prevent the creatia in Nirn from dribbling into Oblivion? Is he after the Towers?

Molag Bal would've been a better boogey man. He seems the only Daedra that is actively interested in actually taking over Nirn & corrupting/enslaving its inhabitants. Visiting his realm, a corrupted version of Nirn, would've been interesting because of the contrast. Dagon's lava isles became quickly old for me.

I guess I find it confusing why TES keeps using Dagon as some big bad boogey man that wants to trash Nirn - as if he's got some personal grudge or something against it.

Have you read http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml?

It seems to me that Dagon is involved with Nirn more than you give him credit for.

But why? The other Daedric Princes aren't as overtly meddling as Dagon is. His sphere might be destruction, but Molag Bal isn't sending out lackeys to - ahem - "ravish" the inhabitants of Nirn. :shrug:

Because he wants to turn back into the Leaper Demon King, before which he must destroy those things which he stole from previous Kalpas. I just don't think his meddling, as you call it, is as shallow as you seem to think.

And the Leaper Demon King saw a possible way out of this mess for himself but he nodded too eagerly, saying "Yes, yes, yes! Yes!" and the dragon knew that any mercy he might give to this little demon would not result in any true learning. So he cursed the king of the leapers, calling him Dagon, saying:

"The Greedy Man has already f*cked himself up good, hiding inside something that didn't exist anymore, but you: you I curse right here and right now! I take away your ability to jump and jump and jump and doom you to [the void] where you will not be able to leave except for auspicious days long between one and another and even so only through hard, hard work. And it will be this way, my little corner cutter, until you have destroyed all that in the world which you have stolen from earlier kalpas, which is to say probably never at all!"

Yes it is. Citadel, fortress, stronghold - the most cursory search at TIL will bring up multitudes of references establishing the nature of the Ghostgate quite clearly. It shouldn't be an issue at all.


You're right. It seems silly and petty. Still, in the situation - Ald'Ruhn down and people fleeing - I think looking for some magical or mythical reasons for the daedra to go for the Ghostgate would be overkill.