This would be a nice idea, though it kinda restricts the plot development... If Bethesda decides to make a mainquest where you choose which path you want to follow, I'd like to have something like this:

-First you can choose any race you can, it will not affect the mainquest, so during the quest you must decide what to side to:
>Side with Alduin believing he will bring the "salvation". (Somehow grey path:)
>Side with Alduin to destroy the world. (Greedy/Evil path, maybe Alduin offers something in exchange)
>Side with Dovahkiin to stop Alduin. (Good path)
>Side with Mer to destroy men for a greater good (Selfish path)
>Side with the religious men to convince everyone that this is salvation. (Somehow grey path)
>Side with the non-religious men to convince everyone to stop Alduin (Somehow grey path)
>Convince Alduin of his madness and turn him into Akatosh again (Grey path)

It's not just nasty evil dragons, it's Akatosh. And presumably his personal army of nasty dragons.


The angry dragon thing is probably how it will superficially appear to most people, though. Like how Morrowind was superficially about stopping a magician from unleashing his zombie horde.

Perhaps the Dragonborn will the help of one side of the coin "Akatosh" will try to stop the other side of the coin "Alduin" since they are the same but different

Isn't Dovahkiin dragon for Akatosh/Alduin?

Dovahkiin is dragon for Dragonborn. The hero guy.

Late.

I'm a noob in knowledge about the lore so... what does this translation tell us exactly?

From UESP wiki:

"After the Serpent people ate the men, they tried to eat the dragons. They managed to make the red dragons slaves, but the black dragons fled to Po Tun. A great battle was fought, and it left both the cats and the snakes weak, and the dragons extinct"

Edit: Although at this point I think it's likely that this is just a really old forgotten piece of lore and won't factor into Skyrim. Which is too bad, as I think Akavir is really cool and one of those things that makes the TES universe distinct from generic fantasy. Although this still leaves us wondering who the dragons were that created this language, and why some of them seem to hold the Dovahkiin as a hero.

Ugh, this hero thing makes me feel weird. I don't want to be the hero, and I don't want a hero. I want everything as grey as possible

predictable as in "dragons are the bad guys and we have to kill them to win"
I just see Alduin as a generic kill-all-humans dragon/bad guy
I hope his alignment is far more ambiguous and the story is deeper than it appears

no it's dragon for... dragonborn.

I love how so many people (including myself) were convinced that they understood some of the words. The human mind will see what it wants.


This is exactly what I was wondering before the lyrics were translated. It's probably just a way to hide the meaning and introduce a new language all at once.


I hope Dagon is somehow on the player's team. It would be great to see everything reversed from the last game. Not to mention that whole rebel and king set up. Maybe Dagon is coming back, in his new role, to take the king seat?


There was a thread by one Cipher 8 awhile back that said Alduin and the dragons would be the villans. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1152130-the-story-behind-skyrim-v20/ I think he deserves some praise.

The plot of future games can usually be predicted, and that makes me happy.

Nope. Sorry. Alduin to the men is the 'bad guy' because he is trying to destroy all men on Nirn so he and his fellow gods can regain their previous status where they ruled the universe. Lorkhan tricked many of the gods into creating Nirn and before it was too late their energy was being drained to create Nirn so they had to procreate in order to survive, with each generation become farther away from the gods that they were originally. Lorkhan has help men in many situations so he is generally seen as the god of all men, it is quite the opposite for mer. They believe that Alduin is the correct way to go because they believe that they are descendants of the gods themselves and the believe Lorkhan is the 'bad guy'.

I'm pretty sure that Allesia formed a bond with Akatosh to make sure that the dragons would not harm men but in return he became the lord of their religion.

EDIT: I believe I'm getting more of my lore info from Cipher's excellent topic which you should all go visit, RIGHT NOW!

But Wulf has his own coin.

He's the hero to somebody even if it's fully gray. Think of World War I. Germany could have had a hero and so could France, but they'd see each other's hero as a villain.

That's what I hope, but Oblivion the hero was really the good guy and everyone praised him but the villains.

Lol at the zombie horde.

I'm just a little wary. I remember feeling that TESIV didn't really contain in-game content that scratched below the surface of "evil demons invading the world." I felt I really had to go on the Lore forums to understand the intricacies behind it. In TESIII, I never got the feeling that the main plot was simplified; and, during the main quest, the player is definitely shown different facets of the situation (betrayal of Nerevar by the Tribunal, for example). I really hope the Alduin/Akatosh world-eating and destroying-creator thing Lady Nerevar mentioned is explicit, rather than a subtlety secondary to "evil dragons and a chosen one."

So it's true then? They are going for the cliche "Dragons are evilll!!1, you are the chosen blah blah" story line? I'd hoped this one would be at lest somewhat more unique/different. Especially with how the Dragons are intelligent beings who CAN communicate with people and have helped them before in an alliance.

I was hoping they wouldn't go down the fantasy cliche trail and instead would have some more unique/different takes on things, making dragons more of an ally or choice for you to take (IE helping them, finding the truth, etc).

Even Divinity 2 did away with that cliche.

The CC works for Germany and everybody praises him except the French.

I get what you're saying, but yeah.

Dude, trust me on this. I got it straight from the imperial library. Alduin and Akatosh are the same thing. They are viewed differently in different cultures. And as it seems to be turning out: the Nord's idea of Alduin was right.

I thought that too...until I actually read the poem. If you consider Akatosh (Alduin) and his role in the lore as chief of the Nine Divines, and then consider the main storyline of Oblivion itself...I think it's pretty ingenious for Beth to go this route, and I'm genuinely surprised. I didn't know if they had it in them. This gives me hope that they'll actually respect and you know...add to...the lore again with this TES =)

*face palm*

For the love of TES, people, read up on some lore before making baseless claims. Alduin/Akatosh is plenty developed and hardly cliche.

If everyone is no better or worse than anyone else then there's no narrative tension and therefore no reason to write or experience the story in the first place. Even if things are grey, then the antagonist may need to be black (and since Alduin is a destroyer-god that doesn't seem to hard from a human perspective).

According to Game Informer, he will be the "chief villain"

Nope i'm pretty sure your wrong.

"The Dragons are a rare (and often believed to be extinct) Akaviri race of large reptilian beasts capable of flight and the ability to create fire[1]. Little is known about them beyond their remarkable intelligence and ability to communicate[2][3] with Nedic visitors to Akavir years ago. There are at least two subspecies, or varieties of dragon; red and black[4]. Their population in Akavir was killed by the Tsaesci, whereas the dragons in Vvardenfell were overrun by the invading cliff racers. It was rumored that they moved closer to Cyrodiil, and it may be for this reason that dragons are sacred to the Empire"