GI Back Cover Poem. II

Post » Fri May 21, 2010 4:36 am

The characters in the text look very similar to the script used by the aliens in the "Predator" series.

Heh, maybe predators are the "dragons".


That would be so wrong. :D
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 1:17 pm

Perhaps we could some how slow down the song to hear it more clearly, phonetically.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 11:01 am

Perhaps we could some how slow down the song to hear it more clearly, phonetically.

The old Trailer threads had some of these. They're on my computer, but I'm too lazy to reupload them. Just do a search. They should be in the first posts.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 1:53 pm

Perhaps we could some how slow down the song to hear it more clearly, phonetically.

It's been done. Anything you can think of that might help to hear the words more clearly has been tried.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 1:06 pm

There's words that repeat in my version of the thing, do they fit into the song?

http://i53.tinypic.com/54vvgy.png

Gah, just noticed RKG in the second and last line of the second part.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 8:07 am

Looking at the chart referenced on the first page,

by my untrained eye, 4, 19 and possibly 17 look to be the same character and

27, 25, and possibly even 11 and 12 look very similar.

We should consider that maybe these characters are supposed to be hand drawn or hand carved, and therefore contain a lot of variation between different instances of the same character. These wouldn't be like a word processor or typewriter where every character appears exactly the same throughout an entire document.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 6:45 am

This may seem like a lame thing to bring up, but in The Da Vinci Code, there is a scene in which they try to come up with a password, and using knowledge of the history of Latin and some other stuff, they derive the password "SOFIA" from the name "SOPHIE." I expect there are similar substitutionary phonetic effects at play here, which would explain how the name "Dovahkiin" would be shortened to the number of characters in the untranslated poem. So maybe the "ABCDEFG" corresponds to the name "DOVAKIN," which is a draconic substitute for the name "DOVAHKIIN."

Another possibility is that dots imply vowels, so rather than looking at each symbol as a series of dots and lines representing single characters/sounds, we should look at them as a series of lines (representing consonants) accented by dots to denote vowel placement.
Putting DOVAKIN for the first letters gives me this first stanza:
DOVAKIN DOVAKIN
Nxx OK xxN xOx VAxIN
xA DVN VOKxx xAxxxxxK Axx Vxx
AxK xxN NOxOK xxx xxxN
xOD Nxxx xON xxNDxO xxN
DOVAKIN xA xxN KOxxN xx Dxxx
(If I substituted correctly)

It starts to look more like the song, I think.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 8:29 am

There's words that repeat in my version of the thing, do they fit into the song?

http://i53.tinypic.com/54vvgy.png

Gah, just noticed RKG in the second and last line of the second part.



Yea there are definitely patterns to the characters. You might also notice the lengths of the first paragraph lines and second seem to match except for one line in the middle:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2751/dovahkiin.jpg

Going off the fact that some of the "words" are found in both the first and second paragraph I am going to assume the second paragraph is an extended version of the song. A second verse.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 4:26 am

Yea there are definitely patterns to the characters. You might also notice the lengths of the first paragraph lines and second seem to match except for one line in the middle:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2751/dovahkiin.jpg

That certainly implies some sort of meter to it.


Also, it just occurs to me that it should have been obvious from the get-go that it isn't just a text in a different font, because none of the letters occur twice in succession, which happens all the time in English.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 10:47 am

According to a "Yahoo answers" - answer The song Goes something like this - " Dovakiin Dovakiin for the sake of skyrim, for the land for the wulf, for the godless one, for the nords , for the gods, for the sole single son. Dovakiin who'll dawn in fire " I don't know how accurate this is, but Hope it helps.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 6:40 pm

That certainly implies some sort of meter to it.

Also, it just occurs to me that it should have been obvious from the get-go that it isn't just a text in a different font, because none of the letters occur twice in succession, which happens all the time in English.


You must be/have been a fellow musician as well :)

The devs have stated it's not a letter to letter translation though, I am giving up on trying that. Instead I am just observing what repeats here and there.


According to a "Yahoo answers" - answer The song Goes something like this - " Dovakiin Dovakiin for the sake of skyrim, for the land for the wulf, for the godless one, for the nords , for the gods, for the sole single son. Dovakiin who'll dawn in fire " I don't know how accurate this is, but Hope it helps.


That is speculation by going off what someone THOUGHT they heard them sing. It's very hard to understand other them, even "Dovahkiin". At least with this written version we can match the patterns more precisely.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 10:54 am

Let's not forget that GI has already stated it relates to the song

"The strange language seen there offers the first hints of Skyrim's story, along with a unique tie to the singing in the recent teaser trailer."
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 11:57 am

You must be/have been a fellow musician as well :)

The devs have stated it's not a letter to letter translation though, I am giving up on trying that. Instead I am just observing what repeats here and there.




That is speculation by going off what someone THOUGHT they heard them sing. It's very hard to understand other then "Dovahkiin". At least with this written version we can match the patterns more precisely.

I gave up too, I was Just trying to throw a little bit of "something " in to contribute :confused: I understand thats what they thought they heard :biggrin: . I know I'll never figure it out lol
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 4:37 am

Let's not forget that GI has already stated it relates to the song

"The strange language seen there offers the first hints of Skyrim's story, along with a unique tie to the singing in the recent teaser trailer."


Lol I can't believe I didn't catch that reading the article this morning. By "tie" they have to mean "is the lyrics to" in this case :P
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 1:26 pm

I think my version fits the song. The parts that rhyme sound the same. FG seems to sound somewhat like "in", the placement of Dovahkiin fits in the song too. The third and sixth line sounds the same in the end (referring to the HI), kinda like "ah".

What do you guys think?

EDIT: I guess G sounds like the letter N?
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 4:29 am

Who says it goes in order? Why cant those stanzas be backwards, or rearranged in some other fashion? Just a thought.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 6:58 pm

eh, I always thought the song was along the lines of this....not entirely complete but that's what I hear.
Dovakiin Dovakiin
For the Fate(Sake) of Skyrim
For the Land , for the Wulf
For the godless(god has won)
And we know what must come, (
(the sole single son who will dawn with fire
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 6:21 am

For the king, for the king
For the sake of Skyrim
For our land, for our home
For Hrothgar's Blood
For the Nords and for the Gods
For the sole? single son
Dovahkiin, our king, who will dawn with fire!
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 7:44 am

For the king, for the king
For the sake of Skyrim
For our land, for our home
For Hrothgar's Blood
For the Nords and for the Gods
For the sole? single son
Dovahkiin, our king, who will dawn with fire!

No, I really don't hear Hrothgar's blood in it at all, none of that makes sense at all. I don't know why people think it's For Hrothgar's blood, or for our home.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 5:56 am

I have made a string of the different letters in the poem that you might want to use
[img]http://i52.tinypic.com/2wbvms0.png[/img]

I've inserted the Latin alphabet in a weird way, (its a long story). But by translating the letters you can easily decrypt the poem.
[img]http://i52.tinypic.com/s6ov41.png[/img]
In this instance I get, when we know a letter, we can use find and replace, on for example F and replace it with DOH.

FGHIJKL FGHIJKL
LCD GJ MNL DGR HISKL
AI FBL HGJED WIOPQSCJ IRV HCD
ISJ ONL LGSGJ TCD USCL
OGF LERV XGL MNLFSG MCL
FGHIJKL OI XNL JGUCL WE FSCD

ISJ ONL JQD DGRV TSGFI
FG HQF HKLU JG ONL JSI
VGD OGF MYWI ANL EBL WYM OELFBL
PDFENL OYL FG ZEL
JSEMKJ HGJEL RVCFLPE
HGVX CL 1IDGJ AI FKHGL ONL DBL

Infrequent letters
1 occures 1 time, 3 Ps, 4 Ws, 3 Xs, 2 Ys, 3 Qs, 3 As, 2 Ts, 3 Us, 4 Rs
Words
3 ONLs, 2 FGs, 3 FGHIJKLs, 2 AI
L is very common ending letter

Can't make out much of this, but FGHIJKL is probably someone of importance
If say FGHIJKL is DOVAHKIIN then F is probably D or DO, and G is probably OV, OVA, VA, VAH etc

Don't think we can solve this before we have a dictionary but my try would be:

Dovakiin Dovakiin
??
??
??
??
Dovakiin who will dawn with fire
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 8:48 am

For the king, for the king
For the sake of Skyrim
For our land, for our home
For Hrothgar's Blood
For the Nords and for the Gods
For the sole? single son
Dovahkiin, our king, who will dawn with fire!

Sounds kind of like that, but the letters don't add up. WHY NOT?! :unsure:

I'm gonna sing it with my replacement letters instead. ABCDEFG ABCDEFG..
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 3:48 pm

For the king, for the king
For the sake of Skyrim
For our land, for our home
For Hrothgar's Blood
For the Nords and for the Gods
For the sole? single son
Dovahkiin, our king, who will dawn with fire!

:facepalm:
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 6:04 pm

I think it is;

For the King, Dovahkhiin.? (or "Dovahkhiin, Dovahkiin")

For the fate of Skyrim. (or "the sake")

For the Nine, for the Wolf, for the Godless One. (or "for the God has won")

And he'll do it for Just, for the sole single star.

For the King. Dovahkhiin. (or "our king, Dovahkhiin" / "Dovahkhiin, Dovahkiin")

Who will dawn in fire. Ah!

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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 3:06 pm

I think it is;

For the King, Dovahkhiin.? (or "Dovahkhiin, Dovahkiin")

For the fate (or "sake") of Skyrim.

For the Nine, for the Wolf, for the Godless One. (or "for the God has won")

And he'll do it for Just, for the sole single star.

For the King. Dovahkhiin. (or "our king, Dovahkhiin" / "Dovahkhiin, Dovahkiin")

Who will dawn in fire. Ah!


Nope, sorry I can tell you that's not it either....I think will all just have to wait for the cipher to see how it relates for the song. I have a very good ear.
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Post » Fri May 21, 2010 2:44 pm

:facepalm:

That was certainly helpful. At least I provided an alternative.
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