Once again, since its not identical to Morrowind its doomed to svck? This attitude is reeeeally starting to get old.

And to answer your question... yes, yes you are in the vast minority. Believe it or not, most of us here are happy and satisfied with what transpired in TES lore today.

And for the record, I think this plot has the potential to be a hell of a lot more epic than Oblivon's; its a lot more lore-centric, and more grand scale. Oblivion's was more random, and completely unrelated to the setting. This one actually fits. But then, you're right. Its NOT Morrowind. So clearly logic dictates that its going to be garbage.

How do you know you are not going to turn to Akatosh's side before the end and remake the Amulet of Kings and with the help of Akatosh kick Dovahkiin to Oblivion? Let's not hope too simple run-through-plot.

If PC is not initially Dovahkiin, but rather has an option to become one (or an Avatar of Akatosh to champion his cause) it will keep the story more interesting and re-playable. Also the hints for the civil war and old beliefs different in various cultures makes the story much less black&white and gives opportunity for PC to be truly confused about the choises he has to make as he is unaware what is right and what is wrong. Add to that some zealous priests of Akatosh fighting against determined Nordic sons of Shor. Meanwhile the mer are biding their time and waiting for the men to beat each other so they would have all men as slaves again...

You're the one who comes across as a foaming at the mouth hokerr full of hate. I merely pointed out that it looked like the exact plot of Oblivion, and that well... that's really uninspired and boring. I even said it in a nice way. Now I'll say it in a not so nice way. The vast VAST majority of people agree that the Oblivion main quest was... pretty bad. It was linear, repetitive, you weren't the hero, you were his errand boy, and you felt no reason you should be helping. The threat wasn't personal. It was just some big god come to destroy things just cause. Morrowind's was, by comparison, better.

As for Skyrim, we have no idea yet. All I said was, if its just some big bad god come to ruin the fun, and only the chosen one can stop him, well... that is such an boring story that it really deserves no praise. So, please take your bias somewhere else.

PS: There's a reason the majority of people thought Morrowind was a better game. Now, I'll say AGAIN, this is only a snippet, and we don't know the full range of detail yet. PRAISING Bethesda for this uninspired snippet, just stinks of fanboyism. The delivery was nice, but the story... yet to be seen if it'll be interesting. So far, seems not. Civil war might be cool though.

Plot of Morrowind:

Evil God who tricked other Gods is coming back to take over/ruin all of Morrowind. Only the one chosen one (the player's character) can stop him.

Doesn't sound so different when you look at the big picture does it? It's the execution that made Morrowind so interesting and since you know nothing of the execution of this game's stoy you have no idea if it will be more Morrowind like or more Oblivion like. And honestly if this game was Morrowind what I wrote above is about what we'd know so we have all the reason in the world to believe this game with be as deep and multi layered as Morrowind was.

On topic, all this happened on my birthday and it was the best part of my birthday. Especially because my girlfriend, who really doesn't care, permitted me to enlighten her into a good bit of lore so I could explain why I was so excited :celebration:

You seem to, like the other poster, gloriously missed my point. I pointed out that we only have a snippet to go on and it could prove to be interesting, what I specifically said was, this snippet does not deserve all the praise, fan worship, and chants of "AMAZING, WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT!" that people have been giving it. Any sane person would agree with that.

PS: Morrowind's "big picture" sounds a hell of a lot more interesting than Oblivion's big picture "The devil is coming to ruin the world, run a series of fixed errands for the chosen one so he can fight him."

You're right that Oblivion didn't seem as multi-layered as Morrowind. But, it's more multi-layered than people give it credit for being.

This plot is nothing like Oblivion's. You can make them sound similar but only by leaving out all the crucial distinctions. I mean, you really don't see the difference between Mehrunes Dagon and Akatosh? They are both just big bad gods?

It's already more interesting than Oblivion by just having the "big bad god" be the chief deity of the Nine Divines.

Let's not forget the ''when brothers wage war" bit. It implies a civil war or the further disintegration of the Empire that player might have to navigate.

I do wonder who these "brothers" are. Nords? Shor and Alduin? Men and mer?

I didn't miss it, what I said is that there's no reason to be a Debbie Downer and act like all the praise is a bad thing. Yes, people are freaking out over small things. But it's because people have been waiting years for anything. And I haven't heard anyone say "OMG WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT?" I have just heard a lot of "Yeah that fits the lore and should be very interesting to see how they choose to explore that. There's a lot of potential and I think this could be absolutely amazing."

And you said nothing about how good it could be, you said you were "really let down" and it "seems pretty much the same plot as Oblivion". At the end you gave yourself a bailout that you might be wrong but nothing you said was positive. I don't think I "gloriously missed" your negative attitude. You may have gloriously miscommunicated your attitude on the subject but make no mistake I read your post multiple times and you were negative and did the unbelievably cliche thing of trashing Oblivion while praising Morrowind through direct comparison. Don't get mad at the people who called you out, think before you make a post that goes against everything else and be expecting a negative response if you aren't crystal clear with a solid argument.

PS. You're PS doesn't help your cause. I could have stated "Evil demi-God comes back to try to conquer Morrowind. The player character must stop him." Because at this point we would have been told Dagoth Ur was the antagonist. We wouldn't have known of the Tribunal's betrayal and all the other crap. There really isn't a way to keep a game epic and not have the basic point be saving the world.

I would rule out Shor and Alduin (being the brothers, that is). Seems Alduin doesn't actually make an appearance until the conflict begins.
"And the scrolls have fortold
Of black wings in the cold
That when brothers wage war come unfurled"

This plot so far can go along ways, lets hope that BGS look it as far as they can. I'm excited to hear everything that is going on. Right now we have possible civil war, Akatosh coming back to do his other job (destroy the world to make way for another) since the pact with Alessia is over now. Plus who knows what else, great starting point we have here.

Obviously the Sons of Skyrim spilling blood means a civil war for all the stupid reasons of the world. Power, Greed, Freedom, Specific Divine, They might just be Barbarians who want to spill some blood. Obviously the Protagonist is going to have to do something with Akatosh either rebuilding the Amulet Of Kings or stopping a Dragon/Daedric Lord/Other Person from taking over Tamriel.

Why would Nords sing in the dragon language?

Why would Alduin need a special language?

"We pray for your blessings" - to whom?

These are the questions I wonder about at the moment - I really hope Shor/Lorkhan is involved, too.

From what was released today Alduin(Akatosh) will be the main antagonist. Not a Daedric lord, unless Boethiah is doing this as a conspiracy against Akatosh, which i doubt and i would know...

I just finished translating.

Black wings in the cold = dragons in Skyrim
Alduin = the Nordic "Akatosh" (check UESP for more)
Brothers = Nords

Now we know something about the main storyline. But the question remains; Who the hell is the Dragonborn?

I still think that the civil war is between the Imperials and the Nords. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Nords and the Imperials descendants from the same people, the one who originally came from Atmora?
And when the narrator in the trailer says "That the sons of Skyrim would spill their own blood", doesn't the left ones look like Vikings (Nords) and the right ones like Romans (Imperials)? If the Imperials once came from Skyrim (after Atmora), wouldn't a war between them and their Nord brothers make them spill their own blood?

So if my lore is correct here (pardon my recap, but it is late and I need to for the sake of my thought process)
Lorkahn, the trickster, whom tricked the other daedric princes into creating the mortal plane and subsequntially had his heart ripped out and hidden deep within mundus, is actually a part of Akotosh, the god of time, since he is considered the god of space (Space and the constant force/indefinable illusion of time). By being the god of space his own plane of oblivion (mundus) is actually his own being, not a realm. So now he is going through a cycle similar to sheogorath in which he becomes the ender of all time (so that time can start again). Which would mean mundus will consume itself? How do you fight/stop a world consuming itself?

My guess is that we will need to rebuild the amulet of kings.

Thanks, I can't believe that Beth made a whole new language just for this game, I'm impressed Beth, you're delivering over and beyond the requirements a few weeks after announcement, more respect from me :thumbsup:

No, no, no, no, please no... Let the amulet rest in peace... I don't want to do things I did in oblivion (etc."Someone has stolen the amulet of kings, you must go and hunt them down" or "We need the scale of Akatosh himself now go and get some Akatosh scales"). They're not bad things and I don't trash on oblivion, don't get me wrong, I just want something new.

Yeah the different Holds of Skyrim have always fueded over who is the rightful leader ever since King Borgas of Winterhold died (or was murdered) during the winter hunt of 1E 369, Borgas was the last of the Ysgramor line of kings.

I think that's partly what the Dovahkiin will do. Unify Skyrim again.

And like others have said it could also mean Imperials and Nord of Skyrim fighting a war. They are both descendents of the Nedic people of Atmora. More on this in next post.

I think you answered your own question. Shor/Lorkhan likely will be involved and maybe Kyne. On the side of the Nords.

Remember Shor defeated Alduin once before... Read Spoiler Red Text, read it all if you'de like.

Yeah and from Imperail Cults viewpoint they are separatists who tear the sacred Imperium apart and should be terminated in the name of Akatosh and all Divines!

So exciting, as god/evil purely depends on the point of view of the faction. Elements for a dark and epic game of the century are in the air.

Brothers could also mean Nord vs. Cyrodiilic Men, they are basically brothers, too, since all tamrielic men originate from the Nords. So it could also be Skyrim vs. Cyrodiil this time.