Did I miss something?

I would always like to think that Fallout will never get old no matter what comes out it's always been fun playing with the game and sometimes when I'm bored and played all my games I come back to fallout.

i enjoyed Skyrim for a while. But after coming back to Fallout I realized all the things Skyrim was lacking. Story. Adventure. The strange cooky encounters that defines Fallout. Most of TES:V's quests were, "go here kill this" or "go here grab that." It didn't have an open ended feel to the quests like fallout has.

I will do you one better, sold my nv so after getting bored with skyrim I poped Fallout 3 into my xbox, it hs something to do with the radio I have missed that got me hooked agien.

I'm always returning to fallout NV or FO3 no matter how many times I play other games fallout will forever be played.

TES are great and fun games but fallout draws my attention more so then any TES game.

I felt like a change from skyrim so I'm coming back to new vegas, going to go through owb and lonesome road for the first time.

Don't shoot me for it... but I always disliked (read hated) the leveling system in TES.. (needing to jump up and down to grind my running speed... Oh dear..)
But I always tried them... Why? Because I love the setting and the world Bethesda created..
Morrowind was varied, had a great selection of quests..
Oblivion.. Had very varied sidequests and great (imho) storylines for the guilds.. (but damn did I hate these gates..)
In both cases however I hated the leveling system... and in Oblvion the level scaling was (imho) ridiculous... (You mug people.. but you can afford an armor which is almost worth as much as a small house)
Then Skyrim.... now what others will call simplifying I genuinely would label as streamlining.. FInally the system works for me. I don't have to methodically plan a character... (like the SPECIAL system it is fairly basic and logic..and you can now plan your character on the fly).
So good new all around.. but then...
In Skyrim exploring and the design of the world have become the focus.. Story takes a backseat.... and that has been simplified compared to other titles..
A few gripes:
- Followers are bland for the most part.. and carbon copies.. without any background..
- There is no karma or reputation.. system.. I can be evil incarnate and nobody will notice.
- There is no conclusion... (in Oblivion at least people acknowledged that you were the champion of Cyrodil), here dragons keep spawning.. and in fact become a nuisance..
-Guild quests are a joke..

Now... did I arrive at this directly... no... Because (and yes I know this is because it is more accesible...) I was blinded by the pretty lights... and the gaming mechanics..
Because of the things mentioned above.. I got really bored with it.... also because the world and the dungeons are rather straightforward..

Now when I am back in Vegas... there are quests which I never do anymore because I hate them (CFWM), but the game because of its variety still manages to surprise me occasionally. Be it comments... Items I never found before...the story can be varied in any way I like... etc... etc.. In other words it's the same story like many others here..

Which got me thinking... Supposedly Skyrim (I am referencing Howard here..)is the lovechild between TES and FO...
Woooo is us... if that is truly the case..
New Vegas sold more copies... (fair is fair the like/dislike is evenly matched though) (edit than FO3)
But what about the many generally liked improvements..
If FO takes Skyrims trend, all of NV's liked improvements will go...
No more traits..., less skills... (Melee and unarmed will probably be combined), no weapon mods...but the ability to create über awesome weapons on a workbench.. Bland companions.. with generic comments about locations (and after leaving.. Look a cave.... yes we were just there... Lydia)...No more hard core mode... but the availbility of food/beds and beverages everywhere..etc etc..

(oh btw.. on its own Skyrim is a great accomplishment.... but as a modern RPG it is an extremely bland affair)

I love Skyrim and Fallout, never really played any other TES title other than Skyrim; except Oblivion, but couldn't get into it after playing Fallout 3 and New Vegas. But I would like to see Fallout take a few que's from Skyrim, like the leveling/perk system and integrate it with "SPECIAL".

And when I think about it, Skyrim is actually a lesser game than Fallout: NV when considering story and writing, some gameplay mechanics (like there's no difference between shooting someone in the head, or foot, with an arrow.) But I still love Skyrim... I enjoy it.

But Fallout was in fact extra special, and I put so many hours into the game my disc has actually started to fall apart.

Fallout has always been my fallback game; what I come back to when I'm bored with my other games. Ill buy a new game, play it for a month, then go back to Fallout for a month etc. etc. There's just no game as good as it IMO

but...skyrim's leveling and perk system svcks compared to Fallouts.....If anything I want them to take even more ques from the original games and add in everything they cut out back in....

Oblivion was one of the best games I had played (back then) and there was no other game with a huge, open world to explore (well besides Morrowind, which I had played previously). I've spent years in Cyrodiil and I loved every minute of it. I think the best part for me in RPGs is the open world, no borders, no linear path, just go and explore. So, of course I was looking forward to Skyrim. The opening had me hooked. I loved the look and feel of the world and I was eager to explore every nook and cranny.

After a while though, when the NPCs didn't register anything I had done, that there were NO consequences to my actions (which btw. is my biggest gripe with the game, bugs aside), I realized just how shallow the game world really was. I made a few characters, finished the game/MQ only once though. There are some amazing places in the game, don't get me wrong. The world is beautiful, but yea, shallow.

Enter Fallout 3 - I followed some discussions about FO on the Skyrim forums and I thought it was high time I really found out what this game is all about. Once FO 3 was installed, I never looked back! I'm on my 2nd play-through of both Fallout 3 and New Vegas! Brilliant games - they have EVERYTHING Skyrim is lacking!

I think it hurt Skyrim that they tried to use the Fallout 3 system. I actually liked the way you leveled in Oblivion: by using your skills, you get better at them. TES games are no FPS games, where you gain XP through kills. The system worked, at least for me. It was really organic and felt natural. Just on more thing, Skyrim failed at... too bad, because it could have been so much more...

(shivers... ) No no no..
The leveling system in Skyrim is rather specific to TES... I would hate to see skill improvements based on how much I use them... let alone leveling.
And the perk system in Skyrim is not a perk system.. Its added improvements.. (although it could work for survival and repair... if they are still present in a new FO title)
I see (and FO's history) perks as extra features.. gifts for commiting to a certain build.. Something which ads to the gameplay.... if one didn't pick that perk..
That's why I feel the perk system in NV is better than FO3 (apart from tag no more build skill X quickly perks..)
In Skyrim perks are actually needed to become better in skills.. in some skilltrees perks are still perks (more gold in chests, zooming with bow, beheading etc... for example)... But stuff like damage multipliers, the abilities to buy/use higher tier spells more efficiently, etc.. are not perks but IMHO part of the leveling and skill building.
They are needed to be competitive.. Example:
If you play a battlemage and don't invest in destruction and one/twohanded or archery perks.... You will be slightly stronger than your starting character.. but only slightly so.. Invest in those... you can become a beast who combined the OP smithing/enchanting perks ..and voila you are a God..

There is only one element which I feel could be translated (though it does ignore leveling decisions) is the ability to avoid leveling or... to postpone picking a perk...

I 100% agree with you. TES and Fallout should stick with their respective leveling/XP gaining formulas. They should NOT mix. I said earlier that I think Beth ported too much of Fallout's "system" (perks and such) over to Skyrim. TES leveling worked prior to Skyrim. Why "fix" something if it's not broken? I have NO issue with it and even liked the way I leveled in Oblivion. This is TES specific and it should have remained the same.

Fallout has its own system and I really like it, too. So yea, no mixing genres and games here! To each its own!

Oh yea, I would love to postpone spending a perk point though in Fallout.

I agree with most people on here about the leveling systems Skyrim's system is good for TES and FNV's is good for Fallout.

Hmmm, I've always bounced back in forth between F:NV and F3, then when Skyrim came around I just added it into my regime. But the problem with Skyrim is just that it's too simple to become god-like under easily acquired circumstances. So fallout always wins me back in the end, "Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter" > "I used to be an adventurer like you then I took a _____ to the knee".

I'm playing both F:NV and Skyrim recently. So first thing i'll say is i loved Skyrim: while main story is mediocre at best it adds a lot of new lore and i wasn't expecting it but Dragons just enriched TES world. Daedric quests are very well written( yet guilds... ) still game lacks well written and interesting characters(Only one i can care about is Ulfric who is wordly and well written character). Also skyrim lacks interesting factions and political background(Morrowind had at least 20 faction and 8 of them was joinable and had long quest lines).

That's why i return to F:NV regulary; it's world is just richer when it comes characters and factions. Also i still get impressed by the amount of dialog and how many times they are effected by your skills, stats and reputation.

I have returned to the wastes after getting bored of Skyrim, too. I've gotten back into both Fallout 3 and New Vegas in the last couple of weeks. And, once again, New Vegas has me completely hooked. So much that I just can't be bothered going back to Skyrim (and haven't touched it at all in the last month or so).

Skyrim only seemed shallow on the surface. In reality, it was very deep. Like a puddle full of copies of the Turner Diaries.

What potential? Potential, as in it might have lived up to the lies spewed by Bethesda before it was released? Such as messing with the economy by burning fields and destroying lumber yards, a holy religious capitol whose doorsteps counted 7000, the dynamic "branching narrative" thanks to Radiant AI, the "advanced bug tracker" that squashes all bugs and allows the developer to address new bugs in real time? That must be what you mean by 'potential.'

Skyrim is not better than Fallout 3. Skyrim is garbage and TES is baloney stink trash because if it.

What do you mean it brings nothing? It brings me mirth and enjoyment to see that Fallout New Vegas has one-upped Bethesda on their junk TES. The only downside is that I've read speculation comments elsewhere that Bethtrashda won't let Obsidian do another Fallout game.

Ulfric? That guy who claims that his whaaat paaawr is justified because it is based on nationalism? The only interesting part there is the question: why does Bethtrashda paint him as a hero?

i like Skyrim, played at least a good 150 hours. But for me, I'm ready to pack it up and wait for a more heavily modded experience. Until other great modders create more epic quest mods and the current mods update past Beta, I'm playing New Vegas.

Not complaining, I love the Wasteland!

Being a Caesar's Legion supporter, I enjoy playing almost fresh, forgetting a lot of the finer details that won me over to Caesar. Now, I'm going independent.

I fired up New Vegas about 3 weeks ago and haven't even bothered starting Skyrim up since.

If you quote people to bash the possitive notions they have about skyrim...
A ) Quote the users involved... (IE use the quote tag as intended)
B ) If you want to burn a title... please.... do so... at least do it because you use actual arguments... Let me get this straight... while I might agree with some of the sentiment... You send a flow of hate towards Bethesda without any... yes any... nuance..

To illustrate (even though I agree with the overall sentiment) I can easily demolish your supposed arguments:

-Skyrim is only shallow in its RPG choices.Exploration and World design are about the best in the biz.
-Skyrim does have potential. If you deny this.. you don't read your own arguments. Skyrim implied many systems which have potential.... yet haven't been devoloped..., not be implied.... or are ignored... So if a game doesn't live up to its potential doesn't imply it does not have any potential.
-Whether you like it or not... It is very visible that FO has learned from Oblivion and that stuff introduced in FO:NV is implemented in Skyrim..
(the simplified companion commands, some faction ideas... etc...)

Hate against TES is Fine, biased unfounded and (shiver) opinionating should be avoided (at any forum) IMHO.
Your post borders on the later..(ie opinionating)

completly agree, it seems skyrim sacrificed choice and consequences for graphics and other things that would bring in the COD people. I have to admit it was tough to go back to new vegas graphics again but after skyrim you can really see just how great of an rpg new vegas is.

I did enjoy skyrim but I enjoyed new vegas about 1000 hours more and counting.Edit:@nenina, you are a hero. Not only was all of that completly true, it also had me laughing so hard I was crying.