I did a couple of play throughs with Fallout NV last year, which I really enjoyed, and then put it down to play Skyrim.
Did a couple of runs through Skyrim before getting bored, then decided to go back to New Vegas.
I'm really enjoying it after the break, and I'm particularly noticing how much better NV is as regards depth of characters and dialogue.
Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed Skyrim, but a lot of it seemed really shallow, and coming back to NV has really emphasised that difference.

Really getting hooked again with New Vegas, got to the stage where I'm spending way to much time on the PC with it, nothing else is getting done!

Awesome

Seems the common thing goign around these days. (skyrim boring NV Awesome)

I totally agree with you OP! Skyrim is just too shallow for my liking. People will say "but it gives you more than a typical 5 hour CoD single player! Quit whining!" Yeah, well, I'm used to getting hundreds upon hundreds of hours from a TES game, this is just pathetic. Skyrim sacrificed quality for looks. Made magic look pretty, then broke it for example.


LONG LIVE NEW VEGAS! THE BEST FPSRPG TO DATE!

Skyrim is indeed very shallow in comparison to Fallout titles. Especially New Vegas.
It is unfortunate, because Skyrim had real potential in the story aspect and it failed magnificently.

I did the same thing you did, had a brief stint in Skyrim, then moved back to New Vegas, which I immensely enjoyed.

Give it time and everyone will agree, imo.

Great. Also I'll leave Skyrim as Bethesda's best game/writing in quite awhile and generally a good step forward other than in mechanics which Daggerfall succeeds at.

It seems largely they focused on a larger yet shallower cast to differentiate between franchises and because of the more populated world.

Plus TES has Ultima roots more than Fallout i.e. Generic yet very open and freeform.

But back to Writing/Dialogue which is BGS's achilles heel. I'd rank Skyrim's overall VO as the better but obviously everything else is Obsidian's prime forte vs BGS's which is word building.

So obviously New Vegas is better on that front but as a studio BGS improved from past games.

I'll leave it at that.

New Vegas whereas isn't the best Fallout game and not fully Obsidian's best writing but a decent entry. I think J.E. Sawyer's worldly views brought more to it than Avellone in terms of interesting moments and CL not being a generic enemy.

Still good game if very static which is why I have a hard time justifying replays ala Gabriel.

Yep, count me in as well

I did Skyrim once, liked it, but found very little different to keep me interested a second time. That's not to say that I won't, but New Vegas still has more going for it without having to try and create a character to 'roleplay' it differently. I guess I prefer structured quests and feedback on their conclusion to random wandering and grinding.

I don't think Skyrim is Bethesda's best game in a while. The story was poorly written and it was based on Dungeons...

New Vegas is way better than Skyrim, but Skyrim sold more copies and won more awards. Skyrim might actually be a bridge for other players to delve into the world of Fallout

Which is awesome. I wonder what impact this will have on Fallout 4. Hopefully Bethesda will wake up and realise that great writing and RPG mechanics are important in games. Fallout games its really important.

It seems like I was right by saying New Vegas has contaminated Bethesda's fanbase and has finally got alot of people to wake up and see the light.

Don't hold your breath. The number of Skyrim players who've ever played New Vegas (or any Fallout game), or who will ever end up playing it, are a relatively small bunch, unfotunately. Skyrim players who even visit these forums are an even smaller bunch. Beth sees the gazillions of units sold (picture Scrooge McDuck swan diving into mountains of shining gold coins), and probably isn't sitting there thinking "OMG, we really let down our fanbase with the crappy writing and storytelling in Skyrim, we must make that our #1 priority to improve for the next game!" No, they're thinking "We got the formula down pat, guys, they love it!"

Although, it wouldn't be hard for them to improve the writing for the next game- just hire a couple of half-literate 8th graders to replace the computerized 'radiant' (irradiated?) quest system, voila!

Yes but that could also be their downfall. Fallout had a good size fanbase before Bethesda came along and now with Fallout 3 and New Vegas, the fan base is huge. Most likely have to wait another couple years before Fallout 4 is even announced. In that time more people will see the light.

If Fallout 4 comes out and is just total crap, another TES clone. Then the reviews for it will suffer.. at least I hope. I know the big review magazines don't give a crap about great writing. Still Fallout 4 will have a strike against it right off the bat. It will have "outdated graphics" .

This forum for sure will be full of people like myself telling people not to buy the game and other Fallout forum sites will do the same. It will just split the fanbase even more.

How likely is all that to happen? I am not sure. I hope Bethesda just makes a grea Fallout game with Fallout 4, not another mindless TES clone.

Fallout needs to stay away from TES as much as possible. I hate how Fallout is being seen as just a "filler" that is there to fill the gap between TES games.

Fallout New Vegas is a better RPG then Skyrim, both are better then Fallout 3. I would still give the nod of better game to Skyrim due to the fact that you can roleplay better and Skyrim doesn't end as quickly as New Vegas does. New Vegas is still an excellent game, really hope the next Fallout takes the best from New Vegas, Fallout 3 and Skyrim.

Both games just appeal to different moods I get. I never had any illusions about Skyrim after playing Daggerfall and will continue to imagine future TES games to just be beautiful time filling games when I don't want to bother with thinking and just "destroy" things.
I was nervous about F3 but I took a gamble since I'm a fan of Fallout. I had no idea FNV would exceed F3, so now I feel encouraged that a sequel could work for me if it veers away from the TES style and towards the engaging writing of F2 and NV. I'll also go back to Skyrim, but NV definitely scratches my itch for the moment.

I'm back in the Mojave after a break in Skyrim, I appreciate the game twice as much now, not that I don't really enjoy Skyrim but they've got very different design goals.

The arrows to the knee that Dovahkiin survived simply can't compare to the bullets to the brain the Courier survived.

I'll start off with other people, when'd this topic become a flame Skyrim and BGS topic. We've been there done that. It brings nothing to the discussion. Half the peoples attitudes around here are borderline worse than some BGS fans.


Again I said New Vegas is better written. I also said Skyrim was better written compared to BGS's recent works if not their best. Bethesda's never been great writers and again follow Ultima to almost a fault.

The main story is a different discussion from overall writing, which was Morrowind level if even better.

Daggerfall was their best RPG game, and it wasn't for the story or writing.

And while we refer to New Vegas, FO 1 and Planescape: T's writing far exceeds it. I chalk it down as palatable due to Sawyer. Avellone brings quirkiness and is able to not throw same generic concepts at the wall.

I grade BGS to their works and the standard genre. Note that even with thousands of RPGs in existence we can only hold a few high. Which means not even Oblivion was the worst made ever.

I also grade Obsidian to a handful of members legacies. They haven't done well.

And it's very trivial to contrast the two studios when again BGS's forte isn't writing. Obsidian's is. So why argue about facts set in stone?

Skyrim is a great game and a decent RPG and a step in the right direction for BGS as a whole as I know as time passes old mechanics will come back as new features i.e. "Choices/Consequences" "In-Depth crafting" etc.

That's all I state.

My argument isn't Skyrim vs New Vegas or which game is the best RPG ever as my choice is obvious: Fallout 1 and if not then Wasteland.(Excited for the sequel)

And when I say their best game in a while I do mean awhile. Morrowind was a streamlined mess ushering in the path Skyrim walks. Oblivion had more mechanics than F3 yet was hurt widely by being the first fully voiced main game BGS has made. 3 speaks for itself.

So Skyrim then fixes a few wrongs and sets a slow but steady path.

I think Fallout 4 will be tolerable. Unless Emil screws it up with genius ideas and "Badassery."

Let the guy who made copy and paste Dark: B quests for Oblivion do writing and give setting ideas.

Genius.

People get aggressive and passionate about it because in the past two years we've gotten two titles.

One was a masterpiece, bringing a good story that blows all other Bethesda titles out of the water and providing RPG elements that haven't been seen in ages, the other is a title that basically shows Bethesda selling out with the worst story they've ever written.
I don't mean those as fact; of course that's opinion. But I'm saying that's the opinion of New Vegas fans. Creates tension and worry because we -JUST- saw a title that makes us want to stand up at home and give the game a standing ovation as the credits roll, and then when a game is released to preview "the future of Fallout" basically, it's horrible.

But yeah, sometimes people get a little too passionate in arguments. Personally, I am gonna criticize Skyrim and will probably continue to do so until Fallout 4 comes out. xD Nevertheless, ocassionally I see someone say "CoD really devoted fan" whenever someone criticizes New Vegas, and yeah, that to me is the kind of attitude that just doesn't belong anywhere.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on such matters.

I still have mixed feeling about which direction Bethesda will take with Fallout 4, though. After all, Skyrim is Elder Scrolls, they created it, so can develop it as they wish. So the linear story and lack of feedback from the world itself is clearly a design choice, rather than an complete inability to put a good story together. Put simply, they focused on aesthetics, rather than depth. To most, this won't be apparent at all, and those picking up a TES game for the first time will likely be amazed by it, and rightly so, its a fantastic work. But then again, they are likely the kind of people that would trade in their copy of New Vegas after a week or so.

But to those of us that have played New Vegas, Skyrim's lack of depth stands out a mile.

Fallout, on the other hand, is a different animal entirely. Obisidian showed us the way forward, and I want more of it for Fallout 4. There's absolutely no reason why we couldn't have the best of both. We need a collaborative effort - Bethesda build the world, Obsidian handle everything else.

I don't believe people who say that they "really enjoyed Skyrim" do you also "really enjoy watching paint dry"? Skyrim was a huge let down and a waste of money. I could have used that $60 to pay for finger prints or 20 rosary making kits...or some paint

Yeah, feels good to be back, haha!

New Vegas≥Fallout 2>Fallout 1>Tactics>Fallout 3>Oblivion>Morrowind>Skyrim>Burned Game.

That's my list.

Not sure why anyone would want to lie about such a thing, I put about 350 hours into Skyrim, that's actually more than I've played New Vegas, yet I know New Vegas is the better game.

I agree. Fallout New Vegas is way better than Skyrim in many ways.

FONV is far better written, and is deeper and more impactful.

Skyrim is shallow and nowere near as well written.
You don't have as much a impact as you should.

It's not about the hours you played, it's the game itself. Skyrim is huge, but it does'nt make it better.