I think what he meant by 'new ways of doing things' is how they implemented restrictions for crafting. Instead of the usual 'pick 3 crafting skill and you cant learn any more' they just nudge you into specializing by making you run out of bag space if you try to pick up all resources at once.

I like this approach very much, as i plan to have all crafting skills on my one character (i plan to have no alts this time) eventually, even if not leveling them all at once.

theres your problem, why don't you spend time selecting what would be valuable? because autolootings just asking for getting a tonne of crap that you can't use or sell.

Well it looks like you will need to

My bags were full as well. I realised that, went to town and crafted/deconstructed/researched/refined. Store all the raw materials in the bank. Didn't have an issue since. So much money? First upgrade was like 500 gold and now it's included straight away.

Well that's sorted out then - you will have to change your habit or this game's not for you. Simples.

Once the game has launched and enough paying customers have complained about it hopefully they will give us a little more freedom with the storage. At the moment we are being forced to play 'their way' rather than having the choice to play our way, which isn't very 'Elder Scrolls-ish'.

You can see they're new at this MMO thing, they have no idea what they're in for

Quoting Cyba commenting about me from the other locked thread


Sorry I think you are being completely unfair.

I do not think I could have gone more out of my way to show people I understand both sides of the arguments, how I sympathise with you or that I unintentionally missed the poll (as it was a link to a poll in another thread), and went on to quote the poll in a later post. I simply went back to the last locked bag thread so that it was complete, and counted peoples opinion. Nothing sinister, no underhand motives. Had the figures showed 85 were against the current system and only 12 liked it, I would have still posted my findings.

You seem to be someone that has your views, and accuse anyone who has a different opinion of manipulating things for their own means. I would say it's you that seems to be manipulating things. Others have the same opinion as you, but others respond civilly, others don't try to put people with different opinions down, others don't try to score points like I would expect a school kid of 15 to do.


I couldn't care less if they increase the bag space, I would be pleased, but I also couldn't care less if it stayed the same, I will manage fine. All I've said is that since I've invested time in playing, it hasn't been as bad as I first thought it was, I would be quite happy managing my space and that I understand the devs explanations for wanting to try this way,

You seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder with anyone that has a different opinion to you and I am not the first poster to say this to you.,

On that note, I don't put people on ignore ever, but I doubt I'll bother responding you in the future unless you learn to be civil to those that hold a different opinion

Does anyone know how big the bank gets after all upgrades? I've heard people mention 100 which, if true, simply will not be enough.

I hate how all the ones that is crying about the bag and bank space keeps whining. The mass majority has no issue with it. Its the hardcoe number crunching players that want everything that is doing most of the crying and they are also the minority group.

Instead of whining about the bag/bank limits why not try and get the amount of stacks increased from 100 to maybe 250.

It's 100 for the bank (which is shared by all characters on your account), 110 for bags.

Ehhh...110 for bag size doesn't sound half bad, but only 100 for bank means I'll probably have to keep crafting materials on the individual characters that need them instead of pooling them into one place (the shared bank). Seems like it'll be doable, but I'd still prefer if the shared bank was big enough for all of it. There are other MMORPGs where I can get well more than 100 bank slots per character, which makes that shared bank seem pretty small.

You could if you wanted have 7 extra horses giving you 350 slots in addition to your bank slots
You need 10 members to unlock a guilds bank which I believe gives you 1000 slots, so 9 friends and you have crafting mat storage space
You start off with 60 shared bank slots. I haven't read a definite final number of bank slots for release (not saying it doesn't exist somewhere)

I do not know whether the amount of horses is per account or per character

Edit, I didn't get access to my horse from my main on my 2nd character on beta, so it must be per character. So there's a (not cheap or quick) way of getting that extra bank (horse) space if you so choose

I hope all u fools plan on pvping since the only way to sell stuff on AH is be in a pvp guild and go to the frontier guild halls

Uhh you have no idea how the horses work.

You can only have one bag horse - when you swap it out and stable it you lose the slots the horse gave you. So that's 50 slots max from the one bag horse (takes 50 days to feed it to that amount as well), losing the speed you'd get from having built a speed horse instead.

i like the idea of guilds gathering for daily or weekly "exchange markets", where they offer to trade their goods with each other, or selling/trading them with anyone else attending

-but more structured than just WTB/WTS- etc...

From what i understand, you do not need to ever enter pvp area to be able to use the guild market of the guild you are member of(and you can be a member of five)

You only need to enter pvp area if you want to buy from a guild you are not a member of, and that guild set up a publicly accessible market stall in one of the cyrodiil keeps. And even then you do not need to do any pvp-ing, you can simply port from the border gate directly inside the keep, buy your stuff, and port back.

So, the 'fools' should be fine.

As I understand it (I could be wrong, but I have read about people doing just this) , you only have access to the slots of the horse you have with you but the contents of the slots of the horses you don't have with you are NOT lost. Hence each horse in your stable is like a 50 slot bank. You could have one for blacksmithing, one for woodwork etc, and you can rename the horses to easily keep track.

50 days is not a lot. I doubt I'll even be 1/6 of the way towards levelling after 50 days, the space would have only becomes a real issue at later tiers (for me)

Sure they cost a lot to buy but you only need the slow one, I get one free one with my CE and from my beta experience, I'll be able to afford another one about every 3 days (well 5 days for my first purchase, but every 3 days after that)

So giving me a week to get going, then every 3 days, it will take about 23 days to get my other 6 horses plus another 50 to feed them to give me the 50 slots in all of them. 73 days in total to have all the horse slots. I don't see that as a problem from how I intend to level (I realise for some this could still be a problem)

Although I am not sure if 7 is the max amount of horses you can have, if it is, I shall have 6 as pack horses and also buy one of the faster horses and max it's speed for other things like PvP

The contents of the horse slots are not lost - but they do not stack either. Say when you swap horses you had 110 regular bag slots filled up plus the extra 50 slots of the horse totalling 160 slots full of stuff, after swapping you still have the 160 slots filled up and you'll see all of them still, just now you'll have to lose those extra 50 slots worth of stuff before you could pick another thing up. And at that point you'd only be able to pick up 110 slots worth of stuff till you brought the bag horse out again. Basically they are temporary and can only add another 50 slots from the one horse.

To put it another way - the slots do not stay on the horse, they are added to your regular inventory temporarily and only while you have the horse.

I believe this dude doesn't really know how things work or is holding inventory for the ESO's future.

Lets see a real inventory system. Lotro F2P (VIP=Sub)

- Bags: Max 6x15 slots (VIP players get 5 bags, F2P get 3 bags) -> additional bags can be bought in the cash shop (account wide)

- Shared Bank: max 150 slots -> 20 slots at first buy then upgrades of 10 slots - > cash shop

- Character vault: max 165 slots -> 30 slots at start -> 90 slots with ingame gold -> 3 upgrades of 15 slots (cash shop)

- Shared wardrobe (cosmetics only): Max 140 slots -> 20 slots for VIP -> upgrades of the 10 slots.

P.S. Lotro has its own flaws, inventory is not one.

Someone can check RiFT and Swtor (i need to upgrade my clients). IIRC even in Runes of magic people can create easily a guild and get lots of space and storage chests.

/edit Tibia a 2D game from 1997 has a better inventory system than ESO

Sorry if I'm being a bit thick here, I don't quite follow.

I know that the slots are added to you inv.

Lets say you have 50 inv slots and a 50 inv horse. While you have the horse with you, as far as your inv is concerned, you have 100 slots.

For the sake of this example, lets say the entire char inventory was filled up with ore before you picked up your horse and your horse contains nothing.

You now have an additional 50 slots. Lets say you fill them with wood.

50 slots ore, 50 slots wood.

Now you swap your horse to another pack horse that contains nothing also with 50 slots.

As I understood it, you would now again have 100 inv slots, 50 filled with ore, 50 free.

If you filled the 50 free slots with provision mats, all 100 slots would again be taken

As I have been led to believe from reading other peoples experiences, if I was now to swap back to my original horse, my inv would now contain 50 ore and 50 wood.

In which case it does act like a bank.

I agree that from my beta experience, I couldn't tell which slots belonged to my horse and which didn't as when I had the horse my inv simply increased, and I think that needs looking at, but I also do think that it works as I said?

Or am I missing something (wouldn't be the first time)