[Relz] Bananasplit's Better Cities - Thread 34 : IV - Oblivion

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:54 pm

Oh, you meant the raw shot. Oblivion makes BMP files which are just fine to me

I think I liked the PNGs better after comparing Fraps screenies with those of the vanilla game. I only use Oblivion's screenshot feature when I forget to run Fraps (which is not infrequent) or when I need to take diagnostic shots, haha.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:14 pm

As soon as I downloaded and installed 4.6b my power went out here in the Maryland area because of a big storm we had and just now came back on. At least i was able to check to see if the game would load before the power went out. Can't wait to get back to playing this.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:24 am

Are the Origin of the Mages Guild and The Elder Council compatible with this mod

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:20 am

Are the Origin of the Mages Guild and The Elder Council compatible with this mod

There is a compatibility patch that was just released for Origin of the Mages Guild. There is none for The Elder Council, but I'm playing with both along with Better Cities and I haven't seen any problems, though I am not very far in either mod. I can say the revamped Elder Council chambers and all of its parts are accessible (I think).

Has compatibility with TIE Intergration Revised been checked? I'm using version 1.2 and I found an incompatibility with it. In the IC Market District an additional entrance to the sewers right in front of Red Diamond Jewelry is slightly under the ground, blocked by the ground but able to be activated. I found it by pure chance because the grate is right next to some flax plants from Better Cities that are slightly sunken into the ground; I assumed that was intentional for the visual effect, until I tried to harvest them and suddenly ended up in the sewers. Seems like TIE In shifts the ground there down slightly when adding the grate. FormID Finder says the grate is added by "TIE In.esp" (which I guess means its not added by TIE In's many compatibility patches) in cell (8,16) and position (34798, 68730, 3518).

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:43 am

I have the previous version of BC installed. Do I need to download the three packs again? Is there a smaller install file that has all the changes since the last update?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:51 pm

Are the Origin of the Mages Guild and The Elder Council compatible with this mod

A patch has been made for the version 7.3 of Origin of the Mages Guild. There is no need of patch for The Elder Council.

Has compatibility with TIE Intergration Revised been checked? I'm using version 1.2 and I found an incompatibility with it. In the IC Market District an additional entrance to the sewers right in front of Red Diamond Jewelry is slightly under the ground, blocked by the ground but able to be activated. I found it by pure chance because the grate is right next to some flax plants from Better Cities that are slightly sunken into the ground; I assumed that was intentional for the visual effect, until I tried to harvest them and suddenly ended up in the sewers. Seems like TIE In shifts the ground there down slightly when adding the grate. FormID Finder says the grate is added by "TIE In.esp" (which I guess means its not added by TIE In's many compatibility patches) in cell (8,16) and position (34798, 68730, 3518).

We ensured some time ago, with Arthmoor and Veritas Secreto that TIE secret entrance where compatible with Better Cities, Open Better Cities and Open Cities Classic. There is no reason to suppose that this compatibility has been changed. Isn't it Arthmoor?

I have the previous version of BC installed. Do I need to download the three packs again? Is there a smaller install file that has all the changes since the last update?

Sorry but there is no other way. We did lot of changes in this new version of the esp and the packaging of the resources has been changed so that people wont have the reconstruct the resources archive but just use the 2 packs as is.

May He Who Must Not Be Named be stroked by the lightning of victory.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:42 pm

Upgrading from an older version. Do I have to completely uninstall the old version of Better Cities or can I just install the new version and overwrite over the old version?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:56 pm

Upgrading from an older version. Do I have to completely uninstall the old version of Better Cities or can I just install the new version and overwrite over the old version?

Overwriting should be just fine. Just don't forget pieces... We mostly only have plugins and bsa which are easy to replace. There is no need to check all the meshes and textures folder to make sure you did remove every old piece.

May He Who Must Not Be Named be squashed like the annoying fly he is.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:51 pm

I found a problem with the "Hollowed out stump" in the Imp city market district (for the DB quest). The stump is acting like a static and not showing any information when I try to activate it by normal means. Here is a pic of the http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/zornac/Better%20Cities%20Oblivion/Oblivion2010-07-2722-16-54-26.jpg

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Better Cities Resources.esm02  DLCShiveringIsles.esp03  Better Cities .esp04  DLCHorseArmor.esp05  DLCOrrery.esp06  DLCVileLair.esp07  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp08  DLCSpellTomes.esp09  DLCThievesDen.esp0A  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp0B  DLCFrostcrag.esp0C  Knights.esp0D  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp0E  Better Cities Full.esp0F  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp10  Better Imperial City.esp11  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp12  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp13  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:05 pm

I found a problem with the "Hollowed out stump" in the Imp city market district (for the DB quest). The stump is acting like a static and not showing any information when I try to activate it by normal means. Here is a pic of the http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/zornac/Better%20Cities%20Oblivion/Oblivion2010-07-2722-16-54-26.jpg

Have you tried leaving the city, saving & quitting to desktop, then loading and returning to the Market District? It's possibly just a temporary glitch.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:19 am

I installed everything with BAIN but I have some minor gliches in IC:

*A bandit spawining inside the Library map room, in upper Talos Plaza

*Black water in the Public bathing house gardens in IC Market district

*Some bushes with black textures in the Public bathing house gardens, always in IC Market district

I didn't post any screenshot because I saw some about the same problems in earlier posts

edit: the bandit spawning isn't a glitch, I just read the note!

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:10 am

i have a slight problem, not sure if i encountered this before, but the pathing is horrible? Pretty sure i'm not loading anything after BC to alter the pathing of npcs..which seems to be what the problem is, unless bc itself has major pathing issues? As in, ie on the waterfront all the guards, npcs are just walking towards the walls, it's the most severe pathing problem i've found in the IC. Any ideas why this may be the case?

LO:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  GTAesgaard_2.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  Windfall.esm04  Jog_X_Mod.esm05  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]06  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm07  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm08  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]09  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]0A  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0B  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0C  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0D  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0E  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]0F  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm10  Better Cities Resources.esm11  CURP_Controller.esm12  CM Partners.esm13  HorseCombatMaster.esm14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.9]15  DLCShiveringIsles.esp16  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]17  Better Cities .esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp19  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1C  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1E  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1F  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]20  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp21  WindowLightingSystem.esp22  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]23  DLCHorseArmor.esp24  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]25  DLCOrrery.esp26  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]27  DLCVileLair.esp28  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]29  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2A  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2B  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]2C  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]2D  Thieves Arsenal.esp2E  DLCThievesDen.esp2F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]30  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]31  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp32  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]33  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]34  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]35  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp36  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]37  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp39  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]3B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.39c]40  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]41  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]42  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]43  Castle Ravenpride.esp  [Version 1.01]44  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]45  300_Artifacts.esp46  Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp47  eyja.esp48  GTAesgaard.esp49  GTAesgaard_2.esp4A  Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp  [Version 1.0]4B  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.0.1]4C  300_White Stallion 4.esp4D  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - 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Timed block and 150% damage.esp96  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]++  Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp97  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp98  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp99  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]9A  CM Partners.esp9B  CM Partners NPC.esp9C  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]9D  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]9E  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]9F  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]A0  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]A1  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]A2  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]A3  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.962]A4  Better Cities - Full City Defences.espA5  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.espA6  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.espA7  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.espA8  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.espA9  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.espAA  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.espAB  Walkabout.espAC  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.espAD  Tales Elsweyr Anq Bravil Barrowfields Patch.espAE  Better Imperial City.espAF  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]B0  Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.espB1  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]B2  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]B3  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]B4  Bashed Patch, 0.espB5  Streamline 3.1.esp

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:17 pm

@shiyaoay: What is this? AB Walkabout.esp

@Dhamon: Black indicates missing normal maps for textures. That does not make sense if you did not alter BC's packaging. How many mods are you running, actually, please post your load order through Wrye Bash.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:19 am

um sort of an addon mod that goes with Elsweyr, tbh i actually don't know and haven't played that part yet, it does something around the leyawiin region i believe, boss didn't recognize it though, i put it there manually to check coz it was loading after BC, and it still didn't fix the problem ( same goes with AC and AD). AB walkbout is this: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=30816

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:55 pm

um sort of an addon mod that goes with Elsweyr, tbh i actually don't know and haven't played that part yet, it does something around the leyawiin region i believe, boss didn't recognize it though, i put it there manually to check coz it was loading after BC, and it still didn't fix the problem ( same goes with AC and AD). AB walkbout is this: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=30816

Have you tried deactivating it? Actually, I did not see that BCIC was loading afterward. I really do not see anything conflicting with it, but run TES4View and check the IC districts to see if anything make some unexpected edits to the IC.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:23 pm

@shiyaoay: What is this? AB Walkabout.esp

@Dhamon: Black indicates missing normal maps for textures. That does not make sense if you did not alter BC's packaging. How many mods are you running, actually, please post your load order through Wrye Bash.

Well, the only altering I made was the renaming of the master dependence of "Better Cities - TIE Restricted Area.esp":
From "Tie.esp" to "Tie In.esp"(I'm using the Integration version for FCOM). But I don't thing that's the problem, I guess.

And I assure I didn't touch the packages, since they where ready to BAIN installer.

This is my load order

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  MD_Saddle_Master.esm05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Qarls_Harvest.esm07  Ulrim's Horses.esm08  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]09  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0A  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0B  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0C  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0D  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0E  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0F  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]10  Better Cities Resources.esm11  CURP_Controller.esm**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.9]13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp15  Better Cities .esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp1A  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1D  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1E  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1F  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp20  AliveWaters.esp21  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp22  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp**  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp23  CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]24  Qarls_Harvest.esp25  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.7]26  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]27  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.7]++  Regrowing Nirnroot - Dissappear Reappear.esp  [Version 1.01]28  ReneersNotesMod.esp29  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]2A  Landmarks, w Wells.esp  [Version 1.11]2B  DLCHorseArmor.esp2C  DLCOrrery.esp2D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2E  DLCVileLair.esp2F  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]30  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp31  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]32  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]33  Thieves Arsenal.esp34  Slof's Horses Base.esp35  HRMHorseArmor.esp36  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp37  MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp38  HRMHorseCommands.esp39  DLCThievesDen.esp3A  DLCThievesDen - 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» Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:42 pm

Random: Should you be using both of these? StealthOverhaul.esp, StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp [Version 1.1]

Use RefScope to identify the files (that are missing normal maps.)

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:51 pm

Have you tried leaving the city, saving & quitting to desktop, then loading and returning to the Market District? It's possibly just a temporary glitch.

I will try that when I get home. I don't think it will help reason is that I noticed this about a month ago when I had a full load of mods running and I tried to Isolate what mod was causing the problem never did get it worked out So since I am rebuilding Oblivion I loaded BC as the first unofficial mod. I tested the stump before install just to be sure that it was and active then I entered copius coin did a save and then exit and install BC and tested and found problem was same as before (at that time I had tried over several different days and after doing several quests). But when I get home will save at the sewer entrance Exit to desktop and and then reenter and head to market district just to be sure.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:49 am

Random: Should you be using both of these? StealthOverhaul.esp, StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp [Version 1.1]

Use RefScope to identify the files (that are missing normal maps.)

I think you referred to me, Dhamon =). well it doesn't matter

yes, StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp requires normal StealthOverhaul.esp just check Oblivion Nexus if you want be sure

I just installed RefScope, but it didn't evidence those items whose maps were missing (the water and the bushes)
I'm going to provide screenshots
edit: I'm just unable to make screenshots right now O_o
but here are the screenshots of other users, that's the same glich I have
http://img130.imageshack.us/g/201ne.jpg/

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:15 pm

I think you referred to me, Dhamon =). well it doesn't matter

yes, StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp requires normal StealthOverhaul.esp just check Oblivion Nexus if you want be sure

I just installed RefScope, but it didn't evidence those items whose maps were missing (the water and the bushes)
I'm going to provide screenshots
edit: I'm just unable to make screenshots right now O_o
but here are the screenshots of other users, that's the same glich I have
http://img130.imageshack.us/g/201ne.jpg/

I meant "random [question]"...

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:26 pm

I think you referred to me, Dhamon =). well it doesn't matter

yes, StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp requires normal StealthOverhaul.esp just check Oblivion Nexus if you want be sure

I just installed RefScope, but it didn't evidence those items whose maps were missing (the water and the bushes)
I'm going to provide screenshots
edit: I'm just unable to make screenshots right now O_o
but here are the screenshots of other users, that's the same glich I have
http://img130.imageshack.us/g/201ne.jpg/

We do not affect or transform water or vegetation but just use them. There is some other mod that you are using that is doing this to the vines. And as for the water, it may be a shadder matter? I don't know. We can't fix issue we don't have sadly. While we use the game water we certainly do not change it anywhere...

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:22 pm

i have a slight problem, not sure if i encountered this before, but the pathing is horrible? Pretty sure i'm not loading anything after BC to alter the pathing of npcs..which seems to be what the problem is, unless bc itself has major pathing issues? As in, ie on the waterfront all the guards, npcs are just walking towards the walls, it's the most severe pathing problem i've found in the IC. Any ideas why this may be the case?

Pathing is all correct in BC. Either another mod has overridden the pathgrids, or the NPCs are just being stupid (which does sometimes happen). Sometimes NPCs fail to notice the pathgrids and try to head in a straight line to wherever they want to go, regardless of obstacles in the way. I would think this could be resolved by leaving the area for a time, then returning to see if they've remembered where to walk.

You can view the pathgrids in-game by opening the console and typing "tpg"

I think you referred to me, Dhamon =). well it doesn't matter

yes, StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp requires normal StealthOverhaul.esp just check Oblivion Nexus if you want be sure

I just installed RefScope, but it didn't evidence those items whose maps were missing (the water and the bushes)
I'm going to provide screenshots
edit: I'm just unable to make screenshots right now O_o
but here are the screenshots of other users, that's the same glich I have
http://img130.imageshack.us/g/201ne.jpg/

I've not seen those screenshots before. The water in the bath house is just vanilla water, so if it's turned black it's either due to a water mod with a mistake, a lighting mod with a mistake, a shader mod with a mistake, or a glitch in your game. The water is normal blue in there typically.
I cannot see what the problem is in the screenshot of a tapestry.
The trees in the garden above the bath house are just vanilla trees, so if they've turned black it's either due to a tree/texture overhaul mod with a mistake, a lighting mod with a mistake, a shader mod with a mistake, or a glitch in your game. The trees are normal green in there typically. They look nice too.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:43 pm

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