[Cat]

when you said yeah did you mean yeah a cell reset will work or yeah it's a problem?

[Kieren Thomson]

I was leaving Black Waterside Stables walking west along the main road when I cam upon this tear in the road just passed the stables. To the left by the fence and back towards the castle the land curls up too. Form ID Finder says it's I think (61,21) I'm using Chydinhall falls and had the newest patch for it but ths showed up after I upgraded to the newest BC

here are some pictures of it.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/tatts4life_photos/ScreenShot73.jpg?t=1282324958
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/tatts4life_photos/ScreenShot72.jpg?t=1282325010
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/tatts4life_photos/ScreenShot71.jpg?t=1282325103
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/tatts4life_photos/ScreenShot70.jpg?t=1282325081

[Kelly Tomlinson]

when you said yeah did you mean yeah a cell reset will work or yeah it's a problem?

Sorry, was just saying I too had noticed it. I don't think a cell reset would work. Did you also update Warcry, though I think I seen it before that. Gonna go check again...

Edit - still floating in all his drunken thumbs up glory. I have removed him using TES4Edit (FormID xx03537B) but hopefully Vorians or Ismelda can solve the problem more elegantly. :foodndrink:

[Sammykins]

I was leaving Black Waterside Stables walking west along the main road when I cam upon this tear in the road just passed the stables. To the left by the fence and back towards the castle the land curls up too. Form ID Finder says it's I think (61,21) I'm using Chydinhall falls and had the newest patch for it but ths showed up after I upgraded to the newest BChere are some pictures of it.http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/tatts4life_photos/ScreenShot73.jpg?t=1282324958http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/tatts4life_photos/ScreenShot72.jpg?t=1282325010http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/tatts4life_photos/ScreenShot71.jpg?t=1282325103http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/tatts4life_photos/ScreenShot70.jpg?t=1282325081

A load order might help because this is probably just that...

Sorry, was just saying I too had noticed it. I don't think a cell reset would work. Did you also update Warcry, though I think I seen it before that. Gonna go check again...Edit - still floating in all his drunken thumbs up glory. I have removed him using TES4Edit (FormID xx03537B) but hopefully Vorians or Ismelda can solve the problem more elegantly. :foodndrink:

Well it is one single skeleton. There is no reason to edit Oblivion Warcry or to make a patch just for it isn't it? Use the console and with the skeleton selected just type Disable. That will definitively ends your problem until your next new game

[Marcus Jordan]

Well it is one single skeleton. There is no reason to edit Oblivion Warcry or to make a patch just for it isn't it? Use the console and with the skeleton selected just type Disable. That will definitively end your problem until your next new game

No problem. I never liked him anyway, and now he's gone til the next Warcry update... :hubbahubba:

[Brad Johnson]

A load order might help because this is probably just that...

Do I still need the Unique landscape patch with the newest BC? if I do do I only need to try deactivating/reactivating the patch or both?

[Cheryl Rice]

Hiya am getting the following error with the latest download of 4.6.1b, any ideas whats wrong when trying to rebuild the bashed patch after running boss? Thanks

---------------------------
Missing or Delinquent Master Errors
---------------------------
WARNING!
The following mod(s) have master file error(s):
* Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp
DELINQUENT MASTER: Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp
Please adjust your load order to rectify those probem(s) before continuing. However you can still proceed if you want to. Proceed?
---------------------------
Yes No
---------------------------

[emma sweeney]

Hiya am getting the following error with the latest download of 4.6.1b, any ideas whats wrong when trying to rebuild the bashed patch after running boss? Thanks

---------------------------
Missing or Delinquent Master Errors
---------------------------
WARNING!
The following mod(s) have master file error(s):
* Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp
DELINQUENT MASTER: Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp
Please adjust your load order to rectify those probem(s) before continuing. However you can still proceed if you want to. Proceed?
---------------------------
Yes No
---------------------------

Turn off lock times and re-run BOSS. If BOSS is not updating your LO accordingly, manually move the patch to load after its masters.

[Alan Whiston]

well I tried reinstalling the unique landscape and i still get that tear in the road.

[jason worrell]

well I tried reinstalling the unique landscape and i still get that tear in the road.

Have you tried Land Magic?

[tiffany Royal]

Just went for a walk around Anvil harbor and I have to say the pirates don't last long around here. Within minutes of me going through the gate into the harbor there were fights breaking out all over. The end result was four dead pirates within minutes.

[Je suis]

Do I still need the Unique landscape patch with the newest BC? if I do do I only need to try deactivating/reactivating the patch or both?

I just don't understand that question. Why would you need UL? We support UL by giving patches for them but nowhere did we say you had to have it to run Better Cities.

Now if you could provide a load order we might see what's wrong because Better Cities does not conflict with vanilla (as much as any mod) nor with UL so there is something conflicting there.

Just went for a walk around Anvil harbor and I have to say the pirates don't last long around here. Within minutes of me going through the gate into the harbor there were fights breaking out all over. The end result was four dead pirates within minutes.

What can I say? You have a very bad influence on people

Without kidding though that issue should have been fixed long ago. We reduced the level of aggression of the pirates on the bay so they shouldn't fight so much among each other. Still sometimes, they just cut each other throats for no apparent reason. I guess too much rum...

Edit Note: I guess I went back to kidding again

[lexy]

This may seem an obvious question - if so, I'm sorry.

I was using OMM to install Better Cities and my computer crashed during the install (power cord came unplugged). I rebotted and reinstalled Better Cities (again using the OMOD).

When I tested, my FPS was horrid and the game kept crashing. Then I noticed there were two .esps:

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp

I should only be using one, right? The same goes for the FPS patch, too? I ran BOSS but it didn't identify an error.

Thanks for your help.

~ Dani ~

[Nicholas]

This may seem an obvious question - if so, I'm sorry.

I was using OMM to install Better Cities and my computer crashed during the install (power cord came unplugged). I rebotted and reinstalled Better Cities (again using the OMOD).

When I tested, my FPS was horrid and the game kept crashing. Then I noticed there were two .esps:

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp

I should only be using one, right? The same goes for the FPS patch, too? I ran BOSS but it didn't identify an error.

Thanks for your help.

~ Dani ~

Yeah, use the B&M edition if you have blood and mud.
Only use one.

[Syaza Ramali]

Thanks! I deleted the Better Cities Full.esp and it's corresponding FPS patch. Now I'm back to my happy 11-17 FPS in Bravil!

~ Dani ~

[Isaiah Burdeau]

I just don't understand that question. Why would you need UL? We support UL by giving patches for them but nowhere did we say you had to have it to run Better Cities.

Now if you could provide a load order we might see what's wrong because Better Cities does not conflict with vanilla (as much as any mod) nor with UL so there is something conflicting there.

Sorry about that. I'm probably posting in the wrong thread any ways. I just posted here because FormID said the area was part of this mod. It looks like an old up turn page in a book when I walk past it.

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Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp8F  BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp90  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp91  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp92  Better Imperial City.esp93  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp94  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp++  Visually Enchanted Damage and Absorb with Particles.esp++  Visually Enchanted Fire 1.esp++  Visually Enchanted Frost 1.esp++  Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp95  Bashed Patch, 0.esp96  FormID Finder4.esp97  Streamline 3.1.esp98  Slof's Nightmare.esp99  Alluring Potion Bottles v2.esp9A  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp

[Kayleigh Williams]

Good grief, how many copies of the same patch do you need?

88 BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
89 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
These are exactly the same patch, only use one of them!

8A BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp
8B Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
These are exactly the same patch, only use one of them!

8D BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8E Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
These are exactly the same patch, only use one of them!

8F BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
90 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
These are exactly the same patch, only use one of them!

If you're going to install BC as OMODs, don't also install patches manually. If you're going to install BC manually, don't also install as OMODs, otherwise you get duplication of patches.


With regards your land tear, UL Cheydinhal Falls doesn't touch that side of Cheydinhal, so neither does the BC/UL patch.
BC edits the land height in cell 27,22 but not cell 26,22 - these are the two cells with your tear between them. With just BC, this tear does not exist, so another mod in your load order is editing land height in both these cells, and BC has overridden that mod's edits to cell 27,22, resulting in the land tear.

You now need to either find the mod which is conflicting, or do as Tomlong suggested and use Land Magic to repair the tear.

[Roberto Gaeta]

Turn off lock times and re-run BOSS. If BOSS is not updating your LO accordingly, manually move the patch to load after its masters.

Thanks, I have the following load order, still struggling to see what is going wrong, under the masters section all the masters are green and ticked for the Lewayiin patch.esp:

Spoiler

8B Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
8C Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Bravil Patch.esp
8D Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
8E Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Chorrol Patch.esp
8F Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp
90 Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp
91 Better Cities - Thievery.esp
92 Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp
93 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
94 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp
95 Better Imperial City.esp
96 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
97 Better Imperial City - OMG.esp
98 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 01]

[roxxii lenaghan]

Thanks, I have the following load order, still struggling to see what is going wrong, under the masters section all the masters are green and ticked for the Lewayiin patch.esp:

Spoiler

8B Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
8C Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Bravil Patch.esp
8D Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
8E Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Chorrol Patch.esp
8F Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp
90 Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp
91 Better Cities - Thievery.esp
92 Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp
93 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
94 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp
95 Better Imperial City.esp
96 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
97 Better Imperial City - OMG.esp
98 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 01]

Post your full load order. something must be missing somewhere... :unsure:

Edit - In Wrye Bash, highlight Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp. The window on the far right will list its six Masters. What is the last one in that list?

[renee Duhamel]

Post your full load order. something must be missing somewhere... :unsure:

Edit - In Wrye Bash, highlight Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp. The window on the far right will list its six Masters. What is the last one in that list?

Last master in the list for the patch file is "Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp" am I right in thinking if this was changed to just "Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp" like the other patches it would work?
Thanks

EDIT: That fixed it... is this something thats wrong with the download or my settings?. Thanks

[FLYBOYLEAK]

Last master in the list for the patch file is "Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp" am I right in thinking if this was changed to just "Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp" like the other patches it would work?
Thanks

EDIT: That fixed it... is this something thats wrong with the download or my settings?. Thanks

It's a mistake in the ESP from the download.

[bonita mathews]

Last master in the list for the patch file is "Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp" am I right in thinking if this was changed to just "Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp" like the other patches it would work?
Thanks

EDIT: That fixed it... is this something thats wrong with the download or my settings?. Thanks

My copy is the same so I would guess its a mistake in the archive. Hopefully DIsplay Name or Ismelda will check...

Display Name... you're too good... :foodndrink:

[Naughty not Nice]

I don't know whether there'll be a 4.6.1c release, or whether this will wait until our next proper version update, but that ESP will NOT work without correcting the final master using Wrye Bash. Sorry about that!

[Mari martnez Martinez]

I don't know whether there'll be a 4.6.1c release...

And there was.

[Elle H]

Good grief, how many copies of the same patch do you need?

88 BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
89 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
These are exactly the same patch, only use one of them!

8A BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp
8B Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
These are exactly the same patch, only use one of them!

8D BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8E Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
These are exactly the same patch, only use one of them!

8F BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
90 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
These are exactly the same patch, only use one of them!

If you're going to install BC as OMODs, don't also install patches manually. If you're going to install BC manually, don't also install as OMODs, otherwise you get duplication of patches.


With regards your land tear, UL Cheydinhal Falls doesn't touch that side of Cheydinhal, so neither does the BC/UL patch.
BC edits the land height in cell 27,22 but not cell 26,22 - these are the two cells with your tear between them. With just BC, this tear does not exist, so another mod in your load order is editing land height in both these cells, and BC has overridden that mod's edits to cell 27,22, resulting in the land tear.

You now need to either find the mod which is conflicting, or do as Tomlong suggested and use Land Magic to repair the tear.

:facepalm: WOW I really messed up this time. I forgot to un install the patches when I upgraded BC. As far as a conflicting mod I guess I'll have to disable one at a time till I figure it out. I didn't think I had a mod changing land height but I guess I do.