[Relz] Bananasplit's Better Cities - Thread 36 : IV - Oblivion

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:57 am

First off, I just want to say that BC makes the cities worlds better, and I don't think I'll ever play Oblivion without this mod again.

Second, I have one...well, not problem, but point of curiosity. When I used the standalone bankmod, I remember being able to talk to some merchants in the outlying cities and withdraw gold from there. With the merged version, those topics don't appear. Since I'm using LAME and thus can teleport, it's not a huge deal, but I'm curious if they're supposed to be there and I'm missing them. I'm running version 4-6-1c

My load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]09  Better Cities Resources.esm0A  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0B  CM Partners.esm**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp0C  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]10  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]11  Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp12  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp13  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp14  TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk UOS.esp15  Better Cities .esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp1A  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp1D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1E  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1F  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]++  BetterImperfectWater.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp++  Drum_Fix.esp20  300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp21  kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp22  Flamering.esp23  High Heels.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]24  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp25  LinchalNecromancerHome.esp26  Musical Immersion 1.0.esp27  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp28  Reznod_Mannequin.esp29  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.2.2]2A  Crowded Cities 15.esp2B  Crowded Cities 15 Vwalk.esp2C  FF_Real_Thirst.esp2D  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.3]2E  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]2F  Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp  [Version 1.1]30  DLCHorseArmor.esp31  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]32  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]33  DLCOrrery.esp34  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]35  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp36  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]37  DLCVileLair.esp38  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]39  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3A  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3B  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp3C  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp3D  GhostArmor.esp3E  JG Elven.esp3F  Underworld Armor.esp40  Wm-Portable-Coffins.esp41  HGEC_SBVelvetRose.esp42  Morrowind Robes and Dresses for HGEC.esp43  GizmodianSorceress.esp44  DLCThievesDen.esp45  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]46  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]47  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp48  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]49  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]4B  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]4C  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp4D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp4E  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]50  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]51  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]52  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]53  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]54  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp55  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp  [Version 0.9.9]56  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]58  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5A  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5B  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5C  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5D  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]5E  TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp5F  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]60  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]61  ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]62  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]64  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - 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House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]AE  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]AF  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]B0  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp++  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp++  Skillbased Thieves Guild Invitation_HARD.espB1  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]B2  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.espB3  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.espB4  RealisticFatigue.espB5  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]B6  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]B7  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]B8  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]B9  MidasSpells.espBA  Midas OscuroGems.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - 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VWD of the IC.espEA  Better Imperial City.espEB  Better Imperial City Vwalk.espEC  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.espED  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]EE  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.espEF  No More Annoying Comments.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]F0  bgMagicLightningbolt.espF1  Get Wet v0.92.esp**  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 4.2.2]F2  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]F3  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Vorians moved the topics from vanilla NPCs to the Gold Horse Courier for which there is a lodge in each city.

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:57 pm

Vorians moved the topics from vanilla NPCs to the Gold Horse Courier for which there is a lodge in each city.

Ah, I wondered what those were for (other than the courier minor quests).

Thanks!

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:18 pm

Ah, I wondered what those were for (other than the courier minor quests).

Thanks!

The bank manager does actually tell you this when you open an account

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:14 pm

(side note - sorry if I mess up in doing this reply, but I don't do many : )

First thing. Been using Bananasplit's better cities for years. Great stuff. Makes a big difference in my game. REALLY appreciated.

Normally I've never had much problem. But lately it seems to be misplacing a bunch of textures (or, meshes, whatever the tech term is). So, basically, buildings growing out of castle walls, ships embedded in the port, etc.

I thought at first it might be a mod conflict (still could be for all I know), so I removed most of the mods that I "thought" might be conflicting. Removed Better Cities. Clean saved. Checked a few known areas that I'd been seeing issues. Everything looked fine (well, as good as vanilla can be : )

Installed the latest Better Cities (create mod, point at the archive, etc.), but the problem still remains. Problems showed back up. Fairly large problems. Here are some pics to show want I mean. Some in Imperial City and some in Leyawiin (port side). Hope these URLs work. First time I've tried Imageshack.

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1928/screenshot1small.png

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/967/screenshot10small.png

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http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3936/screenshot9small.png

Anyway wondering what I should do to correct all this. Here is my mod list. I've tried it directly after installing and then after using BOSS. Same problems. Any ideas on how to fix? Pretty sure this is after I tried BOSS.

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  Jog_X_Mod.esm03  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.3.7]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Better Cities Resources.esm07  CM Partners.esm08  Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp09  Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0 Vwalk.esp0A  Colourwheels sixy Female NPCs.esp0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.4]0C  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0D  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]10  Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp11  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp12  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp13  Colourwheels sixy Female NPCs Vwalk UOS.esp14  Better Cities .esp15  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp16  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.3.5]17  EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 50.esp  [Version Final]18  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp19  AmbientTownSounds.esp1A  MIS Low Wind.esp1B  PCSoundCalisto.esp  [Version 2.6]1C  Storms & Sound.esp1D  WindowLightingSystem.esp1E  Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp1F  nmDLTIC-1-6.esp  [Version 1.6]20  ChaseCameraMod.esp21  Days&Months.esp22  DS Time Manager.esp  [Version 1.1]23  Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp24  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.1]25  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]26  DLCOrrery.esp27  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp28  DLCVileLair.esp29  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2A  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp2B  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp2C  HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp2D  AAbuiesdaqun.esp2E  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp2F  alllll61-Tiny Demon suit.esp30  ALE_Armure_Legere.esp31  DarkIllusionArmor.esp32  Diano.esp33  Deceiver's Armour.esp34  HGEC_Draconic_Armor.esp35  FB_Dark_Crusader_01.esp36  FemaleImperialDragonCuirass.esp37  Growlfs Hot Clothes.esp38  Hentai_Apple.esp39  HentaiDarkLilith.esp3A  IvyArmor_Full.esp3B  LadyDeath.esp3C  ShadowWatcher_HGEC_v2_b.esp3D  SG003_Slit.esp3E  VA_FemmeDaedricHelmet.esp3F  Vampirepotions_MRCHAINSAW_.esp40  StockClothingArmorBBBHGEC_Standard_ECupLBotPPN.esp41  Arctic Gear Improved.esp42  ShadowWatcher_HGEC_v2.esp43  The Dragon Princess.esp44  Velveteen_Armor_HGEC.esp45  StockClothingArmorHGECnormalD.esp46  sixyKunoichi.esp47  TrawlolsCorinthianGladiator.esp48  Argent Iron Armor.esp49  DianoArmor2.esp4A  Dark_Mistress.esp4B  Slof's Horses Base.esp4C  kuerteeHorseCommands.esp4D  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp4E  DLCThievesDen.esp4F  DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp50  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp51  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp52  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp53  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp54  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]55  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]56  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]57  Nightshade_Armor.esp58  Halcyon Island.esp59  FishermansCottage.esp5A  GwedenBrothel.esp5B  GwedenExpansion.esp5C  Halcyon House.esp5D  Horse Dreamland.esp5E  Jeral View Chalet.esp5F  latexshopstore.esp60  PrincessImperialCityApartment.esp61  QQuix - Divine Elegance Showroom.esp62  runestone.esp  [Version 1]63  thievery.esp64  TreasuresOfTyrV10.esp65  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp66  Apachii_Goddess_Store Vwalk.esp67  Villages1.1.esp68  Windfall.esp69  Windfall Vwalk.esp6A  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp6B  DLCfrostcrag.esp6C  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp6D  Blood&Mud.esp6E  Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp6F  Valenwood.esp70  ElsweyrAnequina.esp71  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp72  ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp73  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp74  Valenwood_Anequina_Patch.esp75  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.5]76  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.4]77  Feldscar Vwalk.esp78  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]79  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp7A  Faregyl Vwalk.esp7B  MTCThievesGrottoV4.1.esp7C  MTCThievesGrottoV4.1 Vwalk.esp7D  bartholm.esp7E  bartholm Vwalk.esp7F  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp80  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]81  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]82  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]83  Badmagic - Landscape Fix for 20 -18.esp84  Colourwheels sixy Imperial Legion.esp85  Colourwheels sixy Imperial Legion Vwalk.esp86  GP_Lockpicks.esp  [Version 1.5]87  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]88  MCaleb's_Decompose_Corpse_v1.2.esp89  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]8A  Short Grass V3.esp8B  SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp8C  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.esp8D  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.esp8E  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp8F  Unlimited Amulets and Rings - Shivering Isles.esp90  Telekinetic Mastery.esp  [Version 2]91  MidasSpells.esp92  ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp93  BountyReductionOverTime_standard.esp94  sycHearNoEvil.esp  [Version 1.0]95  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]96  Denock Arrows.esp97  RealisticLeveling.esp98  SW01.esp99  _darker_dungeons.esp9A  MergedMouth.esp9B  JoinedJaws.esp9C  _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp9D  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.2]9E  Ahtata Arquamer female got hair.esp9F  ahtata Ork.espA0  CM Partners.espA1  CM Partners Vwalk.espA2  CM Partners NPC.espA3  CM Partners NPC Vwalk.espA4  1em_Vilja.espA5  1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Xtudo.espA6  1em_Vilja Vwalk.espA7  KT_CustomRaceFix.espA8  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.espA9  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition Vwalk.espAA  Better Cities - Thievery.espAB  Better Imperial City.espAC  Better Imperial City Vwalk.espAD  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]AE  Better Cities - Halcyon Island.espAF  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.espB0  NRB4 Standard Road Record.espB1  SWalk.espB2  Streamline 3.1.espB3  Latexshop7huntress.espB4  SwordDancer.espB5  Latexshop4 sixy Chaps.espB6  ANBDraqeTop.espB7  ElvenPrincess.espB8  TrawlolsCorinthianPitFighter.espB9  SN_Skingrad_Villa.espBA  Leina Armor.espBB  mECB_Collection.espBC  HGEC_Companionmail.espBD  BisBarbLthr.espBE  the farm house 4.0.espBF  Money_ring.espC0  DFSLLatexDream.esp

Thanks,

Tarl

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:20 pm

When I make a change to better cities via a console command, in my case, removing wine barrels from the IC to speed up frame rates, does that change remain applied from when I close the game, turn off my computer, and then reboot and launch oblivion again? If it doesn't, what method should I use for making a lasting setting change in better cities? Thanks.

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:54 pm

When I make a change to better cities via a console command, in my case, removing wine barrels from the IC to speed up frame rates, does that change remain applied from when I close the game, turn off my computer, and then reboot and launch oblivion again? If it doesn't, what method should I use for making a lasting setting change in better cities? Thanks.

as long as you save your game the change will stay.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:07 am

(side note - sorry if I mess up in doing this reply, but I don't do many : )

First thing. Been using Bananasplit's better cities for years. Great stuff. Makes a big difference in my game. REALLY appreciated.

Normally I've never had much problem. But lately it seems to be misplacing a bunch of textures (or, meshes, whatever the tech term is). So, basically, buildings growing out of castle walls, ships embedded in the port, etc.

I thought at first it might be a mod conflict (still could be for all I know), so I removed most of the mods that I "thought" might be conflicting. Removed Better Cities. Clean saved. Checked a few known areas that I'd been seeing issues. Everything looked fine (well, as good as vanilla can be : )

Installed the latest Better Cities (create mod, point at the archive, etc.), but the problem still remains. Problems showed back up. Fairly large problems. Here are some pics to show want I mean. Some in Imperial City and some in Leyawiin (port side). Hope these URLs work. First time I've tried Imageshack.

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1928/screenshot1small.png

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/967/screenshot10small.png

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/702/screenshot2small.png

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5296/screenshot3small.png

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/622/screenshot6small.png

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/397/screenshot7small.png

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7827/screenshot8small.png

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3936/screenshot9small.png

Anyway wondering what I should do to correct all this. Here is my mod list. I've tried it directly after installing and then after using BOSS. Same problems. Any ideas on how to fix? Pretty sure this is after I tried BOSS.

Thanks,

Tarl

These should be loaded before BC, you have them loaded after:
AF [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
B1 SWalk.esp
B3 Latexshop7huntress.esp
B4 SwordDancer.esp
B5 Latexshop4 sixy Chaps.esp
B6 ANBDraqeTop.esp
B7 ElvenPrincess.esp
B8 TrawlolsCorinthianPitFighter.esp
B9 SN_Skingrad_Villa.esp
BA Leina Armor.esp
BB mECB_Collection.esp
BC HGEC_Companionmail.esp
BD BisBarbLthr.esp
BE the farm house 4.0.esp
BF Money_ring.esp
C0 DFSLLatexDream.esp

Shouldn't be any problem with these two loading after though:
B0 NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
B2 Streamline 3.1.esp

You clearly have mod conflicts. Start by correcting your load order and move the above-listed up before the BC ESPs. Once you've done that, check in-game again then let us know what issues remain. You say you used BOSS, but you didn't follow the instructions for BOSS usage. After running BOSS, any mod BOSS didn't recognise is dumped at the end of your load order, leaving it to you to determine where the ESP should be positioned (then it would be good to post in the BOSS forum thread, naming the mod and the ESP, linking to where the mod comes from, and suggesting a likely place in the BOSS masterlist for the ESP to belong).

This should resolve the conflicts shown in your screenshots 1,2,3,4,6,7,8. I don't see the problem in screenshot 5.
Screenshots 3 and 4 show missing textures for ship cabin windows and one Leyawiin building on the docks. BC doesn't having anything to do with window textures, so this is not related to Better Cities. You're using AWLS (1D WindowLightingSystem.esp) - perhaps the texture pack you chose is not fully installed?

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:53 pm

I recently upgraded the version of Better Cities to 461b (it is still not the latest 461c, but reading the changelog, it did not affect my game it seems - anyway I am waiting for the next fix with the correct GoldHorse courier greeting), but noticed the following anomalies:

1) On my recent visit to the Imperial City (Market District?), I noticed the skeleton with the thumbs up and a bottle (from Warcry) is now floating in the air. I distinctly remember it sitting on the wall next to the pond - did something in the layout to affect this?
2) In Chorrol, the sign outside the public bath for women is stuck in a tilted angle (as if it moved by the wind and got stuck) - the sign for the men's bath is fine. Maybe this needs a fix? Also, I noticed that the vanilla signs move when you hit them with a weapon, but these signs are unaffected - can this be tweaked for realism sake (not high priority at all)?

I am at work so can't post my LO, but I believe all BC packages are installed via BAIN are green (not overwritten by anything except AWLS), and the latest BOSS masterlist (from google code) is being used.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:43 am

I recently upgraded the version of Better Cities to 461b (it is still not the latest 461c, but reading the changelog, it did not affect my game it seems - anyway I am waiting for the next fix with the correct GoldHorse courier greeting), but noticed the following anomalies:

1) On my recent visit to the Imperial City (Market District?), I noticed the skeleton with the thumbs up and a bottle (from Warcry) is now floating in the air. I distinctly remember it sitting on the wall next to the pond - did something in the layout to affect this?

Please click http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1112392-relz-bananasplits-better-cities-thread-36/page__view__findpost__p__16328291.

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:54 pm

I've noticed the zip files contain a lot of BSAs, some with only three files. May be better to use loose files instead of some many BSAs to save on the number of BSAs in the Data folder?
Personally I've unpacked all the BSAs and made a BAIN package with all the files loose, so that I can easily spot conflicts while re-installing my game. When I'm finished ironing out all the conflicts I plan to repack all the files into one BSA. What should I name it? Will Better Cities .BSA work?

Also I discovered some conflicts with the resources used by MTC_Thives Grotto:

==175== MTC_Thives Grotto.7zmeshes\creatures\dog\mtcdogbody02.nifmeshes\creatures\dog\mtcdoghead02.nifmeshes\creatures\horse\mtcsaddlebruma.nifmeshes\creatures\mountainlion\mtccat_body.nifmeshes\creatures\mountainlion\mtchead.nifmeshes\creatures\mountainlion\mtcpaw_l.nifmeshes\creatures\mountainlion\mtcpaw_r.niftextures\clothes\00mtcclothes\armourclothes\leatherboots.ddstextures\creatures\dog\mtcdog_02.ddstextures\mtctextures\berrypie02.ddstextures\mtctextures\berrypie02_n.ddstextures\mtctextures\cork01.ddstextures\mtctextures\cork01_n.ddstextures\mtctextures\intstainewood01.ddstextures\mtctextures\intstainewood01_n.ddstextures\mtctextures\lowerrug03.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtcbottle03.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtcbottle05.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtcbread02.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtcbread02_n.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtcingredginger.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtckennelblanket01_n.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtckvatchrug01.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtckvatchrug02.ddstextures\mtctextures\mtcsteelbow_n.ddstextures\mtctextures\poster01_n.ddstextures\weapons\mtcweapons\steeldagger02_n.dds

I assume BC only uses the same resources and that MTC_Thives Grotto (or part of it) in not included in BC?
And I assume I should install BC after MTC_Thives Grotto since BC is newer and the resources are optimized?

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:39 am

I've noticed the zip files contain a lot of BSAs, some with only three files. May be better to use loose files instead of some many BSAs to save on the number of BSAs in the Data folder?
Personally I've unpacked all the BSAs and made a BAIN package with all the files loose, so that I can easily spot conflicts while re-installing my game. When I'm finished ironing out all the conflicts I plan to repack all the files into one BSA. What should I name it? Will Better Cities .BSA work?

Also I discovered some conflicts with the resources used by MTC_Thives Grotto:

I assume BC only uses the same resources and that MTC_Thives Grotto (or part of it) in not included in BC?
And I assume I should install BC after MTC_Thives Grotto since BC is newer and the resources are optimized?

Loose files are harder to install and uninstall. With BSAs we can just tell people to drop the BSAs into the Data folder, or to just delete the BSAs from the Data folder, or we can ask them to list their BC BSAs and we can know exactly which resources they are using and whether they are using the wrong resources or are missing some resources. Some of the BSAs contain conflicting resources, so leaving them loose makes it harder to remove if someone does install the wrong set of resources.

BC has integrated the entirety of MTC Bravil River Shack & Village, which Nernie created. She then went on to create MTC Thieves Grotto and reused some of her own resources, which is why some of her resources from both mods are included in BC. Because BC's resources are in BSAs, and MTC Thieves Grotto resources are not, they will override the BC versions as the game favours un-BSA'd resources over BSA'd resources. This is harmless.

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:33 pm

Please click http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1112392-relz-bananasplits-better-cities-thread-36/page__view__findpost__p__16328291.

Ha! Indeed, you must be tired of the queries about that stupid skeleton - I wonder why it is there in the first place myself... But hey, I like it now that it is floating and giving me the :goodjob: :rofl:

BTW, I had another item in my previous post about a sign hanging at the Chorrol women's bath house - don't ask me what i was doing there :ninja:

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:49 pm

BTW, I had another item in my previous post about a sign hanging at the Chorrol women's bath house - don't ask me what i was doing there :ninja:

Stop trying to peep at the female baths!

I noticed that but I had no clue on how to fix it. But now I learned that collision from other items placed in the world can hinder the movement of other items so I can only guess that the house building or something else has some weird collision going on and I will check that to see if I can place that sign to a place where it can swing properly.

Edit: Fixed the sign. Wait until next version to get it.

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:41 pm

Hi, I had a small question about Better Cities and Blood and Mud. If I want to use QTP3, B&M, and Better Cities together. Which folders from the Better Cities do I use? I was a bit confused when looking throug hthem.

In the City Resources A would I use Bravil - Blood and Mud QTP3 folder? So does this folder contain the http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12029?

What exactly is in the BSA file?

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:42 am

Hi, I had a small question about Better Cities and Blood and Mud. If I want to use QTP3, B&M, and Better Cities together. Which folders from the Better Cities do I use? I was a bit confused when looking throug hthem.

In the City Resources A would I use Bravil - Blood and Mud QTP3 folder? So does this folder contain the http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12029?

What exactly is in the BSA file?

As you know QTP3 patch for B&M reset the textures to vanilla-ish color. We did some retextures ourselves on several meshes to fit B&M color so this bsa simply holds the meshes with the textures used in the QTP3 patch instead of the meshes using B&M textures.

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:07 pm

As you know QTP3 patch for B&M reset the textures to vanilla-ish color. We did some retextures ourselves on several meshes to fit B&M color so this bsa simply holds the meshes with the textures used in the QTP3 patch instead of the meshes using B&M textures.

Sorry that was a little confusing. So to clarify, if I want to have QTP3 textures that MATCH B&M style I should use your Bravil - Blood and Mud QTP3 folder? Upon doing so, I will have B&M style textures and NOT the QTP3 patch for B&M vanilla-ish color textures?

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:30 pm

Sorry that was a little confusing. So to clarify, if I want to have QTP3 textures that MATCH B&M style I should use your Bravil - Blood and Mud QTP3 folder? Upon doing so, I will have B&M style textures and NOT the QTP3 patch for B&M vanilla-ish color textures?

QTP3 patch make the texture looks vanilla. If you don't want that, you don't use that patch and that bsa
QTP3 doesn't have B&M colors texture at all nor meshes. There is no QTP3 textures with the same color as B&M. They don't exist.
So if you want B&M color you use the B&M bsa we provide.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:23 am

QTP3 patch make the texture looks vanilla. If you don't want that, you don't use that patch and that bsa
QTP3 doesn't have B&M colors texture at all nor meshes. There is no QTP3 textures with the same color as B&M. They don't exist.
So if you want B&M color you use the B&M bsa we provide.

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:20 am

These should be loaded before BC, you have them loaded after:
AF [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
B1 SWalk.esp
B3 Latexshop7huntress.esp
B4 SwordDancer.esp
B5 Latexshop4 sixy Chaps.esp
B6 ANBDraqeTop.esp
B7 ElvenPrincess.esp
B8 TrawlolsCorinthianPitFighter.esp
B9 SN_Skingrad_Villa.esp
BA Leina Armor.esp
BB mECB_Collection.esp
BC HGEC_Companionmail.esp
BD BisBarbLthr.esp
BE the farm house 4.0.esp
BF Money_ring.esp
C0 DFSLLatexDream.esp

Shouldn't be any problem with these two loading after though:
B0 NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
B2 Streamline 3.1.esp

You clearly have mod conflicts. Start by correcting your load order and move the above-listed up before the BC ESPs. Once you've done that, check in-game again then let us know what issues remain. You say you used BOSS, but you didn't follow the instructions for BOSS usage. After running BOSS, any mod BOSS didn't recognise is dumped at the end of your load order, leaving it to you to determine where the ESP should be positioned (then it would be good to post in the BOSS forum thread, naming the mod and the ESP, linking to where the mod comes from, and suggesting a likely place in the BOSS masterlist for the ESP to belong).

This should resolve the conflicts shown in your screenshots 1,2,3,4,6,7,8. I don't see the problem in screenshot 5.
Screenshots 3 and 4 show missing textures for ship cabin windows and one Leyawiin building on the docks. BC doesn't having anything to do with window textures, so this is not related to Better Cities. You're using AWLS (1D WindowLightingSystem.esp) - perhaps the texture pack you chose is not fully installed?

Appreciate the help. I followed your instructions. This appeared to fix all problems that I initially was seeing in IC.

However, it did nothing for Lewyawiin (I'm ignoring the windows issues). That said, maybe the ship is supposed to be pushed up into the building like that? The double doors entry into Leyawiin itself is pretty strange, though. I glanced through my list of mods and don't see any that would be impacting that area. And, it all goes back to normal if I uninstall BC and then immediately shows back up again as soon as I install BC.

I may try a manual install (so, try to maually create an OMOD if there are instructions).

At the very least I'll remove it, do a clean save, re-install and make sure it's at the end of the mod list.

I have at least one island house mod that is located out in the Leyawiin bay. I'll see if I can locate any of those and remove just in case they are causing a conflict. I'll go ahead and remove Animated Windows and chimneys just to get that variable out of the picture. I don't want to do more than that since that would mean almost going back to a new game and I'm saving that for when I get a new computer (possibly later this fall or winter).

Thanks,

Tarl

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:36 am

Another possible bug report:

In Chorrol Castle, once you enter the West Tower from the main hall (I was doing the stolen painting quest and was looking inside the various rooms) - you see two entrances to the Arch Tower (one is a hatch, the other is a door) - I entered the door and started falling in an abyss (nothing was around me) - I could see a moon up in the sky, but I was just falling. Had to reload. Is this something changed by BC?

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:23 am

Appreciate the help. I followed your instructions. This appeared to fix all problems that I initially was seeing in IC.

However, it did nothing for Lewyawiin (I'm ignoring the windows issues). That said, maybe the ship is supposed to be pushed up into the building like that? The double doors entry into Leyawiin itself is pretty strange, though. I glanced through my list of mods and don't see any that would be impacting that area. And, it all goes back to normal if I uninstall BC and then immediately shows back up again as soon as I install BC.

I may try a manual install (so, try to maually create an OMOD if there are instructions).

At the very least I'll remove it, do a clean save, re-install and make sure it's at the end of the mod list.

I have at least one island house mod that is located out in the Leyawiin bay. I'll see if I can locate any of those and remove just in case they are causing a conflict. I'll go ahead and remove Animated Windows and chimneys just to get that variable out of the picture. I don't want to do more than that since that would mean almost going back to a new game and I'm saving that for when I get a new computer (possibly later this fall or winter).

Thanks,

Tarl

Screenshots 1,3,4 are showing a ship and dock from another mod which conflicts with Better Cities. You'll need to find out which mod added that ship.

Don't uninstall AWLS, it's an excellent mod and works perfectly. Instead, reinstall it, ensuring that you are using a texture pack as well as the main package.

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:37 pm

Another possible bug report:

In Chorrol Castle, once you enter the West Tower from the main hall (I was doing the stolen painting quest and was looking inside the various rooms) - you see two entrances to the Arch Tower (one is a hatch, the other is a door) - I entered the door and started falling in an abyss (nothing was around me) - I could see a moon up in the sky, but I was just falling. Had to reload. Is this something changed by BC?

Ooh, wow, now how did the teleport marker get... well I don't actually know where this is, but it certainly shouldn't be here! Thanks for reporting that, I'll fix it for our next release.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:37 am

Screenshots 1,3,4 are showing a ship and dock from another mod which conflicts with Better Cities. You'll need to find out which mod added that ship.

Don't uninstall AWLS, it's an excellent mod and works perfectly. Instead, reinstall it, ensuring that you are using a texture pack as well as the main package.

That was the info I needed. I thought the ship was from your mod.

So, I used FormID to figure out what mod the ship belonged to. It showed it as belonging to Gwenden Brothel. I removed that mod and the graphic problems went away. I'll check to see if the mod author for Gwenden Brothel has put up a fixed version (or, it could be just the way I installed it, so could be just my problem).

Anyway, thank you very much for your help (and your mod : )

Tarl

» Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:53 pm

Ooh, wow, now how did the teleport marker get... well I don't actually know where this is, but it certainly shouldn't be here! Thanks for reporting that, I'll fix it for our next release.

The room location:

Enter the castle main hall, go up the stairs to the left door for the private quarters (needs key) - on the left, there is a room for Chanel (the castle mage), and a little ahead on the left side is a corridor with an entrance to the west tower. Once inside - there are 2 exits (1 door to arch tower, 1 trap door hatch to west tower below). Take the door to the arch tower. Once inside, again another room with 2 exits - one door to arch tower, and one trap door to arch tower. If you go through the door (not the trap door hatch), you fall into the abyss.

Wish I could've taken a screen shot, but I hope the description helps you zoom in on the right one.

» Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:37 am

I am in the process of installing BC.

In the 4-6-1c there is a patch for UL Skingrad Outskirts. But there is also a separate one under optional files on the nexus. While it does say "use instead of version in the BC v4.6.0d archive" it has a more recent upload date. To add to the confusion they also have different names. BOSS does not report anything wrong if both are installed. :confused:

So which should I use?