[leni]

I know Nilawen sells the riverside shack but not the house on the docks unless it's a different vendor.

Yup, that's the vendor I was talking about. If you are talking about a different house, then I dunno. Among the player purchasable places to stay in Bravil - There is the actual Bravil House, the riverside shack, the beggar's hovel, and another dockside house? Well, there's only so many places in Bravil that I can stay at anyway...

[Darren]

For some, the latest addition to BC won't appeal at all, while to others it will probably be the bestest thing ever ever ever. Luckily, it's optional

[Chrissie Pillinger]

For some, the latest addition to BC won't appeal at all, while to others it will probably be the bestest thing ever ever ever. Luckily, it's optional

You are a tease man! :drool: :ribbon:

[Lavender Brown]

a while ago i talked about a tree in front of the herbalist tent on the waterfront, it turned out it was added by UL imperial isle so i just disabled it. Now i have a new problem, it seems that VHBloodlines adds a shack to the waterfront, but it's right over a tent at the same spot too, and i can't find a patch for this so i'm assuming it's an incompatibility? also if someone could tell me whether that shack is necessary or not for bloodlines, coz if not i wouldn't mind just disabling it in the game

edit: ughh found the patch wtl i keep missing these things :S nvm this.

[Jesus Sanchez]

We're probably going to abandon modularity and only offer the merged Full/Full B&M and merged Better Imperial City ESPs, without the separate city and IC District ESPs existing at all any more.

If anyone has an opinion on this, feel free to speak up, you may or may not influence us!

[barbara belmonte]

I am fine with the merged districts as I use them all.

But some people with lower end computers might not be able to use BC if it is merged in one. Also, there would be no choice remaining if someone wants to use another city mod like ImpeREAL City etc. Thought I would bring this up...

[Lexy Corpsey]

We're probably going to abandon modularity and only offer the merged Full/Full B&M and merged Better Imperial City ESPs, without the separate city and IC District ESPs existing at all any more.

If anyone has an opinion on this, feel free to speak up, you may or may not influence us!

Sounds fine to me, as I'm sure that will be easier for you to maintain but then again I always use the Full B&M option anyway.

[Michael Russ]

I am fine with the merged districts as I use them all.

But some people with lower end computers might not be able to use BC if it is merged in one. Also, there would be no choice remaining if someone wants to use another city mod like ImpeREAL City etc. Thought I would bring this up...

Separated version or merged version do just the same thing to your FPS. So that is not the problem here. Also we are including ImpeREAL districts already so that is not the question either. There are other mods though for which the modularity is helpful.

Sounds fine to me, as I'm sure that will be easier for you to maintain but then again I always use the Full B&M option anyway.

That is what we assume a majority of the users are doing (if we refer to the different issues reported and the load order we see). We just want to make sure it wont piss off the majority of our users.

[Hayley O'Gara]

We're probably going to abandon modularity and only offer the merged Full/Full B&M and merged Better Imperial City ESPs, without the separate city and IC District ESPs existing at all any more.

If anyone has an opinion on this, feel free to speak up, you may or may not influence us!

I have always had full BC installed, so this is completely fine with me. Anyway, many thanks for a great and important mod :foodndrink:

[Emily Jeffs]

We're probably going to abandon modularity and only offer the merged Full/Full B&M and merged Better Imperial City ESPs, without the separate city and IC District ESPs existing at all any more.

If anyone has an opinion on this, feel free to speak up, you may or may not influence us!

Ah, I have of late skipped the Arcane university part of B.C. but that is about it.
I am not really that into world editing yet but would deleting the affected cells in say TES4Edit be fine if you only will release full B.C. in the future? Or does removing the Arcane university cells from the full B.C. break something else?
Same goes for cities - at the moment I am using all B.C. better cities but who knows what future modders will do.

But do whatever is best for you and we the users will cope.

Cheers!

[Elizabeth Lysons]

I have always had full BC installed, so this is completely fine with me. Anyway, many thanks for a great and important mod :foodndrink:

Ditto from me (especially the thanks)

[Emma Parkinson]

Ah, I have of late skipped the Arcane university part of B.C. but that is about it.
I am not really that into world editing yet but would deleting the affected cells in say TES4Edit be fine if you only will release full B.C. in the future?

This would wipe out the visual changes, but would not disable any BC NPC's AI packages relating to that District/city - to be (relatively) safe, I would suggest leaving any x-markers from BC, so that if a BC AI package references that x-marker, it will still work. If we do go ahead with abandoning the separate ESPs, then future releases may contain quests which cross cities and Districts, in which case wiping out entire BC changes to any single city or District could potentially make such quests impossible to complete, leaving them stuck in your quest log.

[Heather Stewart]

We're probably going to abandon modularity and only offer the merged Full/Full B&M and merged Better Imperial City ESPs, without the separate city and IC District ESPs existing at all any more.

If anyone has an opinion on this, feel free to speak up, you may or may not influence us!

At the moment I use Better Imperial City plus a mix of Better Cities and Open Cities Reborn in two merged esps. I guess the full esps could be customised to suit with a bit of work and so I will continue to use Better Cities in whichever form you choose to release. If only for this...

the bestest thing ever ever ever

... :goodjob:

[Isaiah Burdeau]

... future releases may contain quests which cross cities and Districts...

Oh I see! The reason for this is quest integration. I am totally in favor of dumping separate plugins then...will make installation easier as well...

[Lily]

Ever since I've loaded up better cities, all the cities, except for Skingrad, have shown no VWD buildings within them from aside from the castles while I'm in the Tamriel worldspace (I chose not to have anything for the imperial city though, so that's not a concern), aside from, in the case of Anvil and Cheydinhal, where one or two buildings do show up but the rest of the cities are empty. Up close the chapels pop into view but otherwise there is no change.

I ran REAVWD which added the chapels to the lod but otherwise I got no change. Any ideas what could be causing the problem?

[Penny Courture]

At the moment I use Better Imperial City plus a mix of Better Cities and Open Cities Reborn in two merged esps. I guess the full esps could be customised to suit with a bit of work and so I will continue to use Better Cities in whichever form you choose to release. If only for this...

... :goodjob:

Hey, to you, that which I referred to may not be the bestest thing ever ever ever, you might hate it! That's why it'll still be optional.

Oh I see! The reason for this is quest integration. I am totally in favor of dumping separate plugins then...will make installation easier as well...

That's one reason. It's also easier to work with a smaller number of files, the OMOD and BAIN install scripts plus manual installation will be simpler, meaning less complaints from people who can't read and can't follow instructions. Also, creating compatibility patches for conflicting mods which affect multiple cities becomes easier, as we would no longer need to consider vanilla cities - BC would be everywhere, so the patches won't need to accommodate patching one city while leaving another untouched for those not using both BC cities, while still also patching both cities for those using both BC cities. It'll also make it easier to handle the bestest thing ever ever ever as well.

[Samantha Mitchell]

Ever since I've loaded up better cities, all the cities, except for Skingrad, have shown no VWD buildings within them from aside from the castles while I'm in the Tamriel worldspace (I chose not to have anything for the imperial city though, so that's not a concern), aside from, in the case of Anvil and Cheydinhal, where one or two buildings do show up but the rest of the cities are empty. Up close the chapels pop into view but otherwise there is no change.

I ran REAVWD which added the chapels to the lod but otherwise I got no change. Any ideas what could be causing the problem?

Well, you need to run TES4LODgen to have the View When Distant items to actually be seen or your will just get the vanilla version of them as we do not include any file to view the distant meshes. If you are using REAVWD, you have all the LOD meshes needed to see Better Cities from far and you will then be overwhelmed by your lost of FPS in Tamriel

[Lilit Ager]

Ah, I have of late skipped the Arcane university part of B.C. but that is about it.

We actually might well retain the modularity of the Imperial City and only abandon the separate files of the other cities, if we do go ahead with this. Our primary reasoning relates to the other cities, not the Imperial City.

[Sophie Louise Edge]

always used bc full b&m edition, so i'm fine with it 100%

[joannARRGH]

Well, you need to run TES4LODgen to have the View When Distant items to actually be seen or your will just get the vanilla version of them as we do not include any file to view the distant meshes. If you are using REAVWD, you have all the LOD meshes needed to see Better Cities from far and you will then be overwhelmed by your lost of FPS in Tamriel

Actually, I've run TES4LODgen hundreds of times (ok, maybe not quite that many) for my computer. My apologies for not being clearer about that earlier Everything else added by REAVWD shows up in game. It leaves me so confused that I decided to take it to you guys. BTW, I am using the city architecture part of REAVWD so it is all their, but like I said, TES4LODgen just won't make anything show up in the cities (other than the aforementioned Skingrad, Cathedrals, and the odd house in other cities). And just to make it that little bit more confusing, everything from city architecture outside the cities also shows up.

[Oscar Vazquez]

Actually, I've run TES4LODgen hundreds of times (ok, maybe not quite that many) for my computer. My apologies for not being clearer about that earlier Everything else added by REAVWD shows up in game. It leaves me so confused that I decided to take it to you guys. BTW, I am using the city architecture part of REAVWD so it is all their, but like I said, TES4LODgen just won't make anything show up in the cities (other than the aforementioned Skingrad, Cathedrals, and the odd house in other cities). And just to make it that little bit more confusing, everything from city architecture outside the cities also shows up.

Are you using the FPS patches?

[Brian LeHury]

I've got a question about a house that is supposedly for sale on the bravil docks, is there someone I can buy it from or was that never added because I've been doing some looking around for a way to buy it with no luck. Thanks.

I wonder about this house too since it has sign "for sale" but I can't find the vendor for the key. Maybe it is something quest related for the future
release of BBC? :wink_smile:

[James Rhead]

I would like you to retain modularity for Imperial City, so that (for example) i could run Open Cities, including the IC Outer districts, while retaining the Better Cities IC core.

I have no problems with an all or nothing approach to the other cities, as i doubt many people use a mix of Better Cities, Open Cities and vanilla for these.

[Kat Stewart]

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16513

I'm a bit tired so I'll just copy the changelog:

-Cheydinhal can now be toggled to be open or closed giving you Open Better Cities Cheydinhal or just Better Cities Cheydhal option. All the patches are also made Open Better Cities compliant in Cheydinhal! Use the console Command: OBCCheydinhalToggleQuest to toggle on an off this feature.
-Fixed the "Better Cities Permanent Resources" archive. This archive shouldn't be updated anymore.
-Optimized the meshes with PyFFI 2.1.5.
-Patch addition for Werewolf Legends of the North (for Bruma & Chorrol).
-Patch addition for the Vvardenfell Imports (for Cheydinhal).
-Patch addition for CUO Bruma.
-Renamed the UL patches to reflect the OBMM Script renaming.
-Remade the Ruined Tail's Tale Patch to remove the need of any script to enable/disable the compatibility (for Cheydinhal, Anvil and the Waterfront).
-Reworked on the Valley View Estate (for Cheydinhal).
-Patch addition for The Lost Spires (for Open Better Cities Cheydinhal).
-Redone the replacer for Against the Zealots of the Nine.
-Grounded plants and repositioned clipping barrels & crates in Anvil. Also altered the walls.
-Rework on the Tears of the Fiend Patch for Cheydinhal.

[Inol Wakhid]

Thank you very much for the new version! :foodndrink: :bowdown: :celebration: