[KU Fint]

Just a small thing I noticed. There is a piece of wood missing from the stairs outside of Riverside Housewares in Bravil. http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2982/screenshot13u.jpg

I bet someone stole it!

As far I can tell from your screenshot, this is a vanilla meshe. Better Cities doesn't have for purpose to fix vanilla meshes. That is more a job for UOP.

[louise hamilton]

I think the problem is that the ground is clipping through the building mesh. The solution there would be to either lower that bit of ground or raise the building.

[Britney Lopez]

I read that this is compatible with FCOM, I assume that means its also compatible with just OOO by itself right? Also can I just put it on the folder and enable it in data files without doing any of that wrye bash technical modding stuff?

[Vahpie]

I think the problem is that the ground is clipping through the building mesh. The solution there would be to either lower that bit of ground or raise the building.

So it is the ground going above the planks that is disturbing you???

I read that this is compatible with FCOM, I assume that means its also compatible with just OOO by itself right? Also can I just put it on the folder and enable it in data files without doing any of that wrye bash technical modding stuff?

Yes it is compatible with OOO of course.

You can do as you want without wrye bash but make sure you have the right load order.

[Lisa]

So it is the ground going above the planks that is disturbing you???


Yes it is compatible with OOO of course.

You can do as you want without wrye bash but make sure you have the right load order.

Dunno what a load order is, I just check every box n the data file thingy. Just switched over form 360 so I'm kinda a noob with mods.

[Mel E]

Dunno what a load order is, I just check every box n the data file thingy. Just switched over form 360 so I'm kinda a noob with mods.

You can't use better cities yet then. Learn about load order and the tools to set them right before considering better cities.

[Josephine Gowing]

You can't use better cities yet then. Learn about load order and the tools to set them right before considering better cities.

Alright. I don't use that with OOO and I assume I should right? Ya I'm reading the load order thing in the FAQ. What order should this mod be in?

[brandon frier]

Alright. I don't use that with OOO and I assume I should right? Ya I'm reading the load order thing in the FAQ. What order should this mod be in?

Not sure if OOO need any specific load order. Better Cities sure need to be set last on your load order to work correctly.

It is also not an easy mod to install manually. It is really best to use either Oblivion Mod Manager or Wrye Bash BAIN installation for an easy install and they both let you change your load order.

[Steven Hardman]

Not sure if OOO need any specific load order. Better Cities sure need to be set last on your load order to work correctly.

Ok thanks. I'll be sure to download OMOD when I get home and make sure Better Cities is last.

EDIT: Do I have to convert my savegames or anything or is the load order stuff the extent of the technical stuff associated with running this mod with OOO.

[Darren Chandler]

Ok thanks. I'll be sure to download OMOD when I get home and make sure Better Cities is last.

EDIT: Do I have to convert my savegames or anything or is the load order stuff the extent of the technical stuff associated with running this mod with OOO.

You don't have to convert anything and it is not an OOO issue. It is simply the way the mods are. They need to be set in a correct load order to work well together.

[Damian Parsons]

Rainman: Use BOSS to sort your load order. Doesn't need Wrye Bash to do that, and BOSS is very very simple to install and use, and you are almost guaranteed to get the correct load order without any thought from you.

[Hussnein Amin]

As far I can tell from your screenshot, this is a vanilla meshe. Better Cities doesn't have for purpose to fix vanilla meshes. That is more a job for UOP.

I was thinking that the staircase could just be lowered but looking at the object in the CS it looks like the mesh could use some fixing. I'll let the UOP guys know.

[Add Me]

Rainman: Use BOSS to sort your load order. Doesn't need Wrye Bash to do that, and BOSS is very very simple to install and use, and you are almost guaranteed to get the correct load order without any thought from you.

Ok thanks.

[Shirley BEltran]

I searched for the solution to this problem, but did not find it, so if this has been previously addressed, my apologies.

I found missing ground at the exit to the Imperial City via the Imperial City Arboretum Outer Gate. Everything seems to be okay with my load order, but below are two screens and my mod list. Perhaps I missed something.

Spoiler

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5041415368_c233c456db_b.jpg

Spoiler

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5041417022_56a71abbd7_b.jpg

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm04  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.7.1]05  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]06  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]07  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]08  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp09  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]0A  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]0B  Immersive Interiors.esp0C  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp0D  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp0E  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp0F  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp10  ImprovedSigns.esp11  Living Economy.esp12  Living Economy - Items.esp13  Cutthroat Merchants.esp14  moDem's City Life.esp15  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]16  samurai.esp  [Version 04]17  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]18  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp19  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp1A  Nascosto Isles 3.esp1B  All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]1C  za_bankmod.esp1D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]1F  xulTheHeath.esp20  XulEntiusGorge.esp21  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]22  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]23  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]24  mythsandlegends.esp25  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp26  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]27  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]28  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]29  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]2A  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2B  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]2C  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]2D  xulPantherRiver.esp2E  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]2F  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]30  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]31  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]32  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]33  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]34  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]35  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]36  The Lost Spires.esp37  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp38  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]39  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp3A  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Book Placement v2.esp  [Version 2.0]3B  ImmersiveHealthIndication.esp3C  Ingredient Storage Shelves.esp3D  RenGuardOverhaul.esp3E  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp3F  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.7.0]40  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.7.0]41  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]42  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp43  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]44  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]45  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.7.0]46  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.7.0]47  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]48  Better Cities .esp++  Real Lava 1.3.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]49  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[Ladymorphine]

I searched for the solution to this problem, but did not find it, so if this has been previously addressed, my apologies.

I found missing ground at the exit to the Imperial City via the Imperial City Arboretum Outer Gate. Everything seems to be okay with my load order, but below are two screens and my mod list. Perhaps I missed something.

Spoiler

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5041415368_c233c456db_b.jpg

Spoiler

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5041417022_56a71abbd7_b.jpg

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm04  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.7.1]05  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]06  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]07  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]08  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp09  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]0A  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]0B  Immersive Interiors.esp0C  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp0D  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp0E  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp0F  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp10  ImprovedSigns.esp11  Living Economy.esp12  Living Economy - Items.esp13  Cutthroat Merchants.esp14  moDem's City Life.esp15  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]16  samurai.esp  [Version 04]17  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]18  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp19  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp1A  Nascosto Isles 3.esp1B  All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]1C  za_bankmod.esp1D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]1F  xulTheHeath.esp20  XulEntiusGorge.esp21  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]22  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]23  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]24  mythsandlegends.esp25  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp26  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]27  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]28  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]29  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]2A  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2B  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]2C  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]2D  xulPantherRiver.esp2E  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]2F  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]30  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]31  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]32  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]33  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]34  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]35  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]36  The Lost Spires.esp37  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp38  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]39  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp3A  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Book Placement v2.esp  [Version 2.0]3B  ImmersiveHealthIndication.esp3C  Ingredient Storage Shelves.esp3D  RenGuardOverhaul.esp3E  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp3F  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.7.0]40  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.7.0]41  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]42  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp43  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]44  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]45  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.7.0]46  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.7.0]47  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]48  Better Cities .esp++  Real Lava 1.3.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]49  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

You should check your BC install. Banks of Cyrodiil is now integrated so zabankmod.esp should not be used. Also drop ClocksofCyrodiil.esp when using the BC version which should be further up your Load Order.

Might not sort your problem but it should at least fix some others. :foodndrink:

[Miss K]

Rainman: Use BOSS to sort your load order. Doesn't need Wrye Bash to do that, and BOSS is very very simple to install and use, and you are almost guaranteed to get the correct load order without any thought from you.

No! Bad advice! "Use BOSS to sort your load order", yes, but "almost guaranteed to get the correct load order without any thought from you", no! After running BOSS you must look at the log file which opens to display the new load order, and check the section titled "Unrecognised mod files: Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility." Then do as that section suggests, and reorder any unknown mods by hand, using Wrye Bash or OBMM. And if you think you put them in the right place, post in the BOSS thread here on Beth forums, naming the mod, the ESP names, and which section of the BOSS masterlist you believe they should go into. That all requires plenty of thought from you.

Just blindly running BOSS and assuming it'll magically get it all right is not the way to go.

I searched for the solution to this problem, but did not find it, so if this has been previously addressed, my apologies.

I found missing ground at the exit to the Imperial City via the Imperial City Arboretum Outer Gate. Everything seems to be okay with my load order, but below are two screens and my mod list. Perhaps I missed something.

Bad load order.

This
42 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
MUST load before
40 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.7.0]

Also follow Tofolo's advice.

[Stefanny Cardona]

Thanks guys. That seems to have done the trick.

[Genevieve]

I can't belive you guys have only got 100 votes in your Poll... :confused: how lomg will you run it??

[Sherry Speakman]

I'm seeing duplicate doors in Bruma and now Cheydinal. The dupe appears ~10ft in front of the other door, otherwise aligned. Is there anything in my load order that could be causing this?

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  You Are Here.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Ulrim's Horses.esm06  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]09  Better Cities Resources.esm0A  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0B  CLS-Craftybits.esm0C  CM Partners.esm0D  DIM Elves Of Lineage II Retex.esm0E  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.0]0F  sg869sLibrary.esm10  sg869sAsianLibrary.esm11  Skillbookssave.esp12  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3]13  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp14  DLCShiveringIsles.esp15  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]16  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]17  Better Cities .esp18  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]**  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]19  Immersive Interiors.esp++  No wind.esp++  phinix-waterfix.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp1A  AmbientTownSounds.esp1B  MIS Low Wind.esp1C  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp1D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]1E  WindowLightingSystem.esp1F  300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp20  AliveWaters.esp21  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp22  ChaseCameraMod.esp23  FlyingCameraMod.esp  [Version 1.3]24  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp25  CLS-Sailboats-COBL.esp26  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.2.2]27  diversegrasses.esp28  ImprovedSigns.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]29  Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp2A  More_Animals.esp2B  P1DseeYouSleep.esp2C  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.8]2D  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.8]2E  Harvest[Containers].esp2F  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp30  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3]31  PTRoamingNPCs.esp32  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.3]33  HouseMapMarkers.esp34  FastEquipping.esp35  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp36  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp37  Binoculars.esp38  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp39  Growlfs Hot Clothes.esp3A  Thieves Arsenal.esp3B  Rope Ladders v1.esp3C  Armamentium female.esp3D  Slof's Horses Base.esp3E  kuerteeHorseCommands.esp3F  MELF_HorseSanity.esp40  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]++  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]41  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]42  FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.4]43  TamrielTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  TamrielTravellersFactionAll.esp  [Version 1.39c]44  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]45  Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp  [Version 1.0]46  adTH-druidsdomain.esp47  advlt_BookStore.esp48  adTreeHome.esp49  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]4A  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]4B  Clamshell_Cottage_v1.5_COBL.esp4C  delivery_job.esp  [Version 1.0]4D  FishermansCottage.esp4E  EiAmod.esp  [Version 1.1]++  EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp4F  MountainShackR121.esp50  Players with Jobs.esp51  Sewer_Mansion.esp52  Side's Sailing Ships.esp++  Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp53  StopDarkBrotherhood.esp54  thievery.esp55  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]56  To Feed an Empire - Wickmere Farm.esp57  TrainerFind.esp58  WhiteRoseRiverFarm.esp59  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 2.0.2]5A  za_bankmod.esp5B  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp++  Ulrim's Horses - Vanilla.esp5C  Knights.esp5D  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]5E  Knights - Cobl.esp++  Ulrim's Horses - Knights patch.esp++  KotN Wayshrine Fix.esp5F  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.COBL]60  Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp61  BrewHouse.esp62  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.8]63  Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp64  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]65  AutoBookPlacer.esp66  TimeWizard.esp67  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]68  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp69  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp6A  SleepRestAnyTime.esp6B  Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp  [Version 3.2.1]6C  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]6D  Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp  [Version 1.1]6E  Oblivifall - New Classes.esp  [Version 1.2]6F  PersuasionOverhaul.esp70  SMYB Female Only.esp71  Speedy Disrobe OBSE.esp  [Version 1.3]72  StackableEquipment.esp73  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]74  CLS-Craftybits.esp75  Immersive Mining.esp76  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp77  Q - Carrying Capacity x20 v1.0.esp78  RealisticForceMedium.esp79  RealisticMagicForceLow.esp7A  Irresistible_Allure_Spell-1920.esp7B  KT_DetectHostility.esp7C  RefScope.esp7D  SetBody.esp7E  MidasSpells.esp7F  Cheydinhal for Thieves.esp80  attack and hide easier v2.0.esp81  Stealth Entrances v1.esp82  RenGuardOverhaul.esp83  sycHearNoEvil.esp  [Version 1.0]84  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]85  SM Hand Combat.esp  [Version 1.0]86  nGCD.esp87  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp88  ExperienceTraining (nGCD).esp89  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]8A  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]8B  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]8C  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]8D  ProgressRacial.esp8E  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.76]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp8F  Asian Race.esp90  Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp  [Version 1.0]91  Nec Mystic Dark Elf-Remake.esp  [Version 1.0]92  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]93  CuteElf11 Blue Portal Bug-Fix Patch.esp94  Elves Of Lineage II.esp95  IDKRRR_C_race.esp96  Energy - Beautiful Elves.esp97  Chocolate Elves.esp98  CM Partners.esp99  Nec-Elf_Kaleah.esp  [Version 1.0]9A  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.esp9B  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]9C  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]9D  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]9E  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]9F  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]A0  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]A1  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]A2  Better Cities Full.espA3  Better Cities - Thievery.espA4  Better Imperial City.espA5  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]A6  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.espA7  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]A8  bgMagicLightningbolt.espA9  Vacuity.esp  [Version 0.2]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]AA  Bashed Patch, 0.espAB  FormID Finder4.espAC  kuerteeActorDetails.espAD  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]AE  Streamline 3.1.espAF  FlyingCameraModINI.espB0  My Pitchable_Tent_Remix_NP.esp  [Version 1.0]

[sw1ss]

I'm seeing duplicate doors in Bruma and now Cheydinal. The dupe appears ~10ft in front of the other door, otherwise aligned. Is there anything in my load order that could be causing this?

I used to get this and my workaround was to do a save, exit and then reload. After this, everything seemed to be fine - might be worth a try. Although having said this, does not seem to be happening to me.

[sunny lovett]

I'm seeing duplicate doors in Bruma and now Cheydinal. The dupe appears ~10ft in front of the other door, otherwise aligned. Is there anything in my load order that could be causing this?

Same thing happened to me in Bruma

I used to get this and my workaround was to do a save, exit and then reload. After this, everything seemed to be fine - might be worth a try. Although having said this, does not seem to be happening to me.

And this fixed it.

[Yvonne Gruening]

No! Bad advice! "Use BOSS to sort your load order", yes, but "almost guaranteed to get the correct load order without any thought from you", no! After running BOSS you must look at the log file which opens to display the new load order, and check the section titled "Unrecognised mod files: Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility." Then do as that section suggests, and reorder any unknown mods by hand, using Wrye Bash or OBMM. And if you think you put them in the right place, post in the BOSS thread here on Beth forums, naming the mod, the ESP names, and which section of the BOSS masterlist you believe they should go into. That all requires plenty of thought from you.

Just blindly running BOSS and assuming it'll magically get it all right is not the way to go.

Well, I know you are right, so I won't disagree. But I think that advice was meant for somebody who has just started installing mods, is really afraid of Wrye Bash, and doesn't know the basics. This was meant to get him to adapt BOSS (didn't want to make it sound intimidating). Of course, BOSS makes the LO sorting simpler, and the unknowns are usually assimilated within a day or two after being reported, and one always has to look at the BOSS notes even if there are no reported unknowns, for incompatibilities and other discrepancies.

[JD FROM HELL]

Well, I know you are right, so I won't disagree. But I think that advice was meant for somebody who has just started installing mods, is really afraid of Wrye Bash, and doesn't know the basics. This was meant to get him to adapt BOSS (didn't want to make it sound intimidating). Of course, BOSS makes the LO sorting simpler, and the unknowns are usually assimilated within a day or two after being reported, and one always has to look at the BOSS notes even if there are no reported unknowns, for incompatibilities and other discrepancies.

But there's the problem. Encouraging people to use BOSS is good, but letting them think that no thought is required is leading them astray. Multiple-mod usage with Oblivion requires time, thought and effort, so it's not good to start off blindly accepting what BOSS does.

[Bereket Fekadu]

Just want to clarify: The Clocks_of_Cyrodiil has a replacer esp, but requires the original mod's resources.
The Bank_of_Cyrodiil is completely integrated, original is not needed. Right?

Thanks!

[Tyler F]

Just want to clarify: The Clocks_of_Cyrodiil has a replacer esp, but requires the original mod's resources.
The Bank_of_Cyrodiil is completely integrated, original is not needed. Right?

That's right, you don't need any resources from the original Bank of Cyrodiil mod, but you do for Clocks of Cyrodiil.