Bash Tags for Everyone : IV - Oblivion

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:49 am

Yeah after re-reading the old threads about CUO and FCOM I see now that there is no easy fix - so I'm going to see how hard it is to edit and import level lists (low level modding). We'll see.

Probably Wrye was on to something here: http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=889466&view=findpost&p=13029853

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:08 pm

should OOO.esm have {invent} tag?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:15 am

I say yes, also OOO.esp. but if you read back a page or two you will see my big list of tags that I suggest, for OOOesm&esp they included invent, relations, and graphics.
Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:15 am

thanks PacificMorrowind,
i saw your list which prompted the question. i have the OOO.esp tagged with the suggestions from the 1st post of this thread. i wasn't sure if invent is handled by the esp or esm and when i was building my patch i got to thinking about your tag suggestion. i agree tagging the esm makes sense. i'll probably go ask this in the OOO thread to check what dev_akm says.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:52 am

Going by a couple of long sessions the inventory changes got carried over best if both ooo.esm & ooo.esp were tagged with invent. Don't ask me why, just my observations: both files do the same changes to inventories and since OOO.esp has to load after I was thinking of just tagging OOO.esm then any other tagged esp mods would take precedence but it didn't carry all changes over all the time.

Also urelatedly:
from the first post "Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp {{C.Water}} To get the new water type " Unless I am totally off on my understanding of C.Water that does not want that tag, since according to my understanding it is only for changes to water heights in cells. Without looking at the file I wouldn't know what it should be tagged with but I'd guess maybe graphics. - Could be totally mistake on this without seeing the file but just a guess.

Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:28 am

from the first post "Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp {{C.Water}} To get the new water type " Unless I am totally off on my understanding of C.Water that does not want that tag, since according to my understanding it is only for changes to water heights in cells. Without looking at the file I wouldn't know what it should be tagged with but I'd guess maybe graphics. - Could be totally mistake on this without seeing the file but just a guess.

Nope, unless I am thinking of the wrong water mod (which is perfectly possible, as I don't use it) Enhanced Water also makes changes to *water type* in some cells. This subrecord is also carried over by the bash tag C.Water, so the C.Water tag is appropriate.

Vac

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:09 am

okay - ignore that half of my last post.
Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:57 am

I'll be going through the posts today and checking tags, and updating first post today. I'll check out your relations tags, PM, they seem unusual to me. As far as I understand, a {{relation}} tag only has an effect if a change is made in faction relations. Say for instance OOO.esp changes undead faction relation with the lich faction to 90, and then FCOM changes the same to 80. In that particular case, you wouldn't even need a tag since FCOM loads later, but I wanted it for an example.

As for tagging esms, I have never heard of any need to do so. The esm is a library, basically, and I don't believe bash would even recognize a tag on it (import any data into the patch), but I will check it out, maybe something new or different there.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:57 am

I wouldn't think it necessary to tag an ESM unless that ESM is doing bad things and editing vanilla references. Which an ESM should never ever do except under a few very specific exceptions, such as adding new dialogue responses to an existing vanilla topic.

Tags should also be completely unnecessary for mods of any type which are only adding new content.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:33 am

OOO.esm changes 100s of vanilla NPC inventory (and other stuff but that was the most extreme) so don't ask me why but if only ooo.esp (which has identical NPC inventories, but are based on the esm) the inventory changes are not brought forward into the patch. (at least from my tests).
re: relation tags - OOO does not need to be tagged if FCOMis loading after (which it has to) but for non FCOM users it does (if they have anything else modifying faction relationships). Same thing for MMM. The other ones that I marked as tagged with relations were adding their mod specific relation changes and if before ooo/fcom/mmm they were overruled otherwise they overruled ooo/fcom/mmm (if not tagged); with all active one tagged it work (more than 95% of factions anyways - there was a one faction that just wouldn't seem to update the changes from one file).
Some of those tags that I suggested are not needed with certain combinations but I settled for the combination that files could be removed and it would still work best (most creature graphical variability etc.)
Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:07 pm

OOO.esm changes 100s of vanilla NPC inventory (and other stuff but that was the most extreme) so don't ask me why but if only ooo.esp (which has identical NPC inventories, but are based on the esm) the inventory changes are not brought forward into the patch. (at least from my tests).
re: relation tags - OOO does not need to be tagged if FCOMis loading after (which it has to) but for non FCOM users it does (if they have anything else modifying faction relationships). Same thing for MMM. The other ones that I marked as tagged with relations were adding their mod specific relation changes and if before ooo/fcom/mmm they were overruled otherwise they overruled ooo/fcom/mmm (if not tagged); with all active one tagged it work (more than 95% of factions anyways - there was a one faction that just wouldn't seem to update the changes from one file).
Some of those tags that I suggested are not needed with certain combinations but I settled for the combination that files could be removed and it would still work best (most creature graphical variability etc.)
Pacific Morrowind

I tried a new profile without my FCOM setup (MMM and OOO) and since they didnt conflict (don't change same NPCs inventories) and mods that did loaded later, I couldn't make an invent tag show any changes. Tagging esms is beyond me, I tried several types of tags, and nothing showed up in the patch.

Relation tags are only needed if 2 mods both change the same faction relations and you need an earlier loading one to win over a later one. I don't have this in my setup since I am running FCOM, and it is the winner in this case. My later loading quest mods, etc, all add new ones, so there are no conflicts I needed to override. You are adding relations tags to things like the UOP, which isn't needed. The UOP made no changes to existing faction relationships from the vanilla game, so you lost me on that one. The USIP only has 2 faction records, and they have no conflicts, so again, weren't needed. Are you checking these with Tes4Edit? I'd really like to see screenies of some before and after tags.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:44 am

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9732/relationstag.jpg

A perfect example of the relations tag in action. You can see where the UOP changes the relationship between the Cheydinhal Guards and the Imperial Legion. TIE incorporates the change, but if you're using Alternate Start, it gets wiped out along with TIE's second change. With the tag, both sets get merged into the patch and everyone is happy.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:27 pm

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9732/relationstag.jpg

A perfect example of the relations tag in action. You can see where the UOP changes the relationship between the Cheydinhal Guards and the Imperial Legion. TIE incorporates the change, but if you're using Alternate Start, it gets wiped out along with TIE's second change. With the tag, both sets get merged into the patch and everyone is happy.

Yes, that is how I see it work in mine. But, I am a little confused by yours. In my setup, the Imperial Legion faction is in OB.esm, and my UOP matches it 100%, so I see no override from the UOP. Your's is showing it as being added by the UOP?

Oops.. nevermind, I forgot that I had the 'modgroups' on in mine. Now it looks like yours. In my FCOM setup, OOO is the last that touches that particular record. So, it does depend on setup. And OOO adds that change in its esm, and again in the esp.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:21 am

Odd. Even when I switch my OB.esm file to the 1.1 version the UOP still shows that faction relationship as an addition rather than an override. Are you sure you're running a fully patched official file? Maybe it's something Bethesda took out in one of the patches?

Edit: Heh. You edited while I was looking into it

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:48 am

Made a note for that on the UOP. Also, good advice to make sure when you are looking for these kinds of things to leave the 'modgroups' feature of Edit, off. :facepalm:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:14 am

I tried a new profile without my FCOM setup (MMM and OOO) and since they didnt conflict (don't change same NPCs inventories) and mods that did loaded later, I couldn't make an invent tag show any changes. Tagging esms is beyond me, I tried several types of tags, and nothing showed up in the patch.

Relation tags are only needed if 2 mods both change the same faction relations and you need an earlier loading one to win over a later one. I don't have this in my setup since I am running FCOM, and it is the winner in this case. My later loading quest mods, etc, all add new ones, so there are no conflicts I needed to override. You are adding relations tags to things like the UOP, which isn't needed. The UOP made no changes to existing faction relationships from the vanilla game, so you lost me on that one. The USIP only has 2 faction records, and they have no conflicts, so again, weren't needed. Are you checking these with Tes4Edit? I'd really like to see screenies of some before and after tags.

How I see usage for the Relations Tag: if it changes a vanilla (or non-vanilla but from master) faction's relations tag it with relations even if there are no known conflicts; bash does not generate junk with it, if there is only master & one plugin changing the faction it is left out of the patch, the factions are only put in the patch if there are multiple mods changing it that are tagged with relations.

That said the one's that I tagged were all doing changes that were getting overwritten (at least with the mods I was testing/playing with); if you want I could send you some other examples, but the one that Arthmoor pointed out is a good example (though not one that I had since I don't have all of those mods).

Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:40 am

If I want the UOP (MOPS version) item names and stats can I achieve this by not tagging OOO with stats and names?
[edit]would you advice merging every mod possible? or should I leave them in my list if not going towards the mod limit?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:12 am

If I want the UOP (MOPS version) item names and stats can I achieve this by not tagging OOO with stats and names?
[edit]would you advice merging every mod possible? or should I leave them in my list if not going towards the mod limit?

Both use the MOBS system. MOBS was based off OOO's system. Names are up to you. Tag according to load order. If you want an earlier loading mod's names rather than a later one, tag the earlier one. Then check it in Edit. Other mods often change things you might not expect, so you need Edit, to verify what is affected.

Merging is okay, but you need to know what is going on pretty thoroughly. It can be a hassle if one of the merged mods gets updated (you would have to re-merge) There is a thread about it (TES4Gecko), good to read up on it.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:33 pm

How I see usage for the Relations Tag: if it changes a vanilla (or non-vanilla but from master) faction's relations tag it with relations even if there are no known conflicts; bash does not generate junk with it, if there is only master & one plugin changing the faction it is left out of the patch, the factions are only put in the patch if there are multiple mods changing it that are tagged with relations.

That said the one's that I tagged were all doing changes that were getting overwritten (at least with the mods I was testing/playing with); if you want I could send you some other examples, but the one that Arthmoor pointed out is a good example (though not one that I had since I don't have all of those mods).

Pacific Morrowind

If you are seeing the desired effects from it, sounds good to me. My goal here is just to enable everyone to see how they are used, and why. And to get a list together of the most commonly needed ones, and notes for special cases. As you can see from the exchange with Arthmoor, it can be very different based on setup. In my case, I don't need a relations tag, and his benefits from it. If you could provide some screens, or notes on what it specifically changes in your setup, I can add them in to the main page. This will help others using a similar setup. I already added notes to the UOP, to show Arthmoor's arrangement.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:27 pm

Having a 'c.water' tag for the Glenvar Castle mod creates a rectangle of water merged into the south hillside of Topal Bay, just up the hill from the Kumiko Manor mod.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:57 am

Having a 'c.water' tag for the Glenvar Castle mod creates a rectangle of water merged into the south hillside of Topal Bay, just up the hill from the Kumiko Manor mod.

There's a fairly high chance that this would be due to a dirty edit in the ESP. Try running it through a cleaning and see if the problem remains.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:28 pm

Hi all, I'm new out there and french so sorry for my bad english.

First thank you Aegyen for this great topic that learned me a lot.

Like I said before, I'm French and installed the french version of Oblivion (with all french official extensions) and all other mods in english.
I play FCOM and OOO overwrites so many things that all was in english so I tagged the oblivion.esm with {names}, rebuilt my bashed patch and a lot of menus, messages, items came back in french. I (fast) verified in TES4edit for an item and it seemed good (OOO stats with french name in the bashed patch).

Do you think I would have some problems with that ?

Other thing, I see a lot of mods of armors, clothes, etc. modified for OOO.
I wonder if we could just not bother with that and simply tag the original mod with {graphics} and import it into the bashed patch.

For exemple could we just tag NPC new clothes and ignore the FCOM fix ?

Thanks.

Edit : My exemple on NPC new clothes is not well chosen as these are new items. My question is only for stock clothing, armors, etc.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:42 pm

OOO needs relations if using Legion Faction Mod(LFM), Faregyl ((Also LO note: Legion Faction Mod wants to load after any mod that change the Legion faction, since it does changes to ranks which is not carried over from older mods by the bashed patch (ie. after Faregyl)), adventurer's items mod (AIM)
UOP needs relations if NOT using OOO & using LFM, Faregyl
OOO/FCOM/MMM need relations if using AIM
AIM needs relations if using with OOO/FCOM/MMM
LFM needs relations if using with OOO, UOP, or Faregyl.
Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:45 pm

this thread should definitely be stickied. quite a huge collection of useful knowledge in here.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:18 pm

does Slofs robe trader need any tags? i just deleted it because i found a newer version, but i don't remember if i tagged it with anything...
also, i am using the suggested tags for mageequipment but it still doeant show up in my bash patch

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any ideas? actualy, when i untick it i do get the "dot-in-box" so i guess it is in the bashpatch. Why then do i not see it in the inventory log after i rebuild my patch? b/c of filter maybe? just curious