Bash Tags for Everyone : IV - Oblivion

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:32 pm

Lemme expand a little using LtbD as an example since you use it. As PW said, you only uncheck when the mod is either merged (+) or when you are importing data from the mod but you only want the imported data to be present and not anything else in the plugin.

This is how Bash an import works. Import is a function which will transfer the specific import data (i.e. NPC Faces, Graphics, Stats, etc) while disregarding load order, except with other similar imports (i.e. import stats gives the mod priority over all stats unless there is another mod with import stats present). When you leave a mod checked before you rebuilding your Bashed Patch, you are telling Bash to only import the data when it will resolve a conflict.

Example: LtbD changes all cells' light and Mod X changes one cell's ownership. Mod X load later so without Bash you wouldn't get the lighting in the one cell that Mod X is changing owners. Now say you tag LtbD with C.Light but leave it check, Bash will combine the changes for that one cell Mod X edits so that it has LtbD light and Mod X ownership. Now say you tag LtbD with C.Light and leave it unchecked before rebuilding your Bashed Patch. Now Bash will again combine the ownership and light edits for the one aforementioned cell but it will also import every single cell light edit that LtbD makes because the mod is unchecked.

If you still have further questions, feel free to PM me. I know my explanations are never that great even though they make sense in my mind :embarrass:

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» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:51 pm

Oh... hmm, this seems like the right place to ask.

Can I add Bash Tags to a mod manually? Like, are they stored in the description field or somesuch?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:59 pm

Can I add Bash Tags to a mod manually? Like, are they stored in the description field or somesuch?

in older version of bash you would add the tags to description field but in new version you do it a different way, be selecting them from a box. Listed in wrye help readme {{BASH: TAG}} for manual..

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:02 am

Lemme expand a little using LtbD as an example since you use it. As PW said, you only uncheck when the mod is either merged (+) or when you are importing data from the mod but you only want the imported data to be present and not anything else in the plugin.

This is how Bash an import works. Import is a function which will transfer the specific import data (i.e. NPC Faces, Graphics, Stats, etc) while disregarding load order, except with other similar imports (i.e. import stats gives the mod priority over all stats unless there is another mod with import stats present). When you leave a mod checked before you rebuilding your Bashed Patch, you are telling Bash to only import the data when it will resolve a conflict.

Example: LtbD changes all cells' light and Mod X changes one cell's ownership. Mod X load later so without Bash you wouldn't get the lighting in the one cell that Mod X is changing owners. Now say you tag LtbD with C.Light but leave it check, Bash will combine the changes for that one cell Mod X edits so that it has LtbD light and Mod X ownership. Now say you tag LtbD with C.Light and leave it unchecked before rebuilding your Bashed Patch. Now Bash will again combine the ownership and light edits for the one aforementioned cell but it will also import every single cell light edit that LtbD makes because the mod is unchecked.

If you still have further questions, feel free to PM me. I know my explanations are never that great even though they make sense in my mind :embarrass:

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I simply (should of just tested) tried ltbd with it checked and then unchecked - yep, I understand now what you are saying.

I think it was easy with ltbd, but can I ask about slofs and urlims? I think those 2 mods will be more difficult than ltbd to try it both ways and see the difference. Dont want to fast travel and plan to use horse travel for now. My guess is to leave them "checked" since you want ownership by slofs and then urlims horses as well as graphics (I guess I can just try them when I get outdoors again).

But thanks, starting to understand this a little bit better.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:42 am

in older version of bash you would add the tags to description field

Right, so does that still work?

Let's pretend for a second that there's a modder somewhere, arguably a little insane or stupid, who has absolutely no use for Bash personally (therefore doesn't want to install it) but wants to tag his mods for the benefit of others. ~~Can I~~ *cough* Can he do that?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:24 am

Right, so does that still work?

Yes, manual tags still work, and you should tag your mods even if you do not use wrye bash for the benefit of others..All you need to do is check out the wrye site it has the information that is contained the readme has well that a person needs to adding bash tags even if they do not have it installed.. :bigsmile:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:11 pm

I think it was easy with ltbd, but can I ask about slofs and urlims? I think those 2 mods will be more difficult than ltbd to try it both ways and see the difference. Dont want to fast travel and plan to use horse travel for now. My guess is to leave them "checked" since you want ownership by slofs and then urlims horses as well as graphics (I guess I can just try them when I get outdoors again).

Slof's Horses does two things: changes the graphics of all vanilla horses and adds new, hand-placed horses in the world, thus it should always be checked because it has new data which you can't import and won't see if the mod isn't activated. Ulrim's Horses doesn't only deal with graphics. Ulrim's Horses, fixes some of the graphical settings in Slof's Horses (for compatibility reasons) so it should be tagged with Import graphics. However, it also adds items to horses' inventory and thus should also be tagged with Invent. If it has these two tags and it is left unchecked then you don't need to check it, but the mod is mergeable so there is no reason why to ever check in the first place since you can just merge it and get the same results.

Please note, however, that is Slof's Horses is tagged with graphics then Ulrim's needs to also be tagged with graphics even though it is being merged. Why? Remember I said that Import negates load order rules so even though Ulrim's loads later and is merged, without the graphics tag, Slof's Horses will take priority.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:27 am

Slof's Horses does two things: changes the graphics of all vanilla horses and adds new, hand-placed horses in the world, thus it should always be checked because it has new data which you can't import and won't see if the mod isn't activated. Ulrim's Horses doesn't only deal with graphics. Ulrim's Horses, fixes some of the graphical settings in Slof's Horses (for compatibility reasons) so it should be tagged with Import graphics. However, it also adds items to horses' inventory and thus should also be tagged with Invent. If it has these two tags and it is left unchecked then you don't need to check it, but the mod is mergeable so there is no reason why to ever check in the first place since you can just merge it and get the same results.

Please note, however, that is Slof's Horses is tagged with graphics then Ulrim's needs to also be tagged with graphics even though it is being merged. Why? Remember I said that Import negates load order rules so even though Ulrim's loads later and is merged, without the graphics tag, Slof's Horses will take priority.

Its actually making more sense now as you explain it. So if I get this right, a bash tag will ignore load order until it meets up with another mod loading later with the same bash tag? If its the only or last mod loaded with that tag, it wins?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:36 am

Its actually making more sense now as you explain it. So if I get this right, a bash tag will ignore load order until it meets up with another mod loading later with the same bash tag? If its the only or last mod loaded with that tag, it wins?

With an Import tag, yes.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:21 am

I am getting strange names for Armamentarium weapons (just started a game, so far affects bows and arrows). The names consist of extended ASCII chars (lotsa accented vowels mostly). I have tried adding the NAMES tag to ArmamentariumArmor.esp, but no luck. Otherwise, my install and mods are all behaving nicely.

Are there any Bash tags for the Armamentarium esm or the esps that I should be employing?

Edit: Placed the NAMES tag on the esm instead and all is working fine (eg "Iron Black Arrow" in lieu of gibberish).

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:27 am

I am getting strange names for Armamentarium weapons (just started a game, so far affects bows and arrows). The names consist of extended ASCII chars (lotsa accented vowels mostly). I have tried adding the NAMES tag to ArmamentariumArmor.esp, but no luck. Otherwise, my install and mods are all behaving nicely.

Are there any Bash tags for the Armamentarium esm or the esps that I should be employing?

Edit: Placed the NAMES tag on the esm instead and all is working fine (eg "Iron Black Arrow" in lieu of gibberish).

First, you should update to Armamentarium Complete instead of the individual armamentarium mods.
Second, where did you download that copy from? None of the original files had any name issues. Did you download from (for example) a Russian or Japanese site?

Vac

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:56 am

First, you should update to Armamentarium Complete instead of the individual armamentarium mods.
Second, where did you download that copy from? None of the original files had any name issues. Did you download from (for example) a Russian or Japanese site?

Vac

No, DLed the "Complete" version (1.2.2, is there newer?) from TesNexus.

Given the name error, and now some missing meshes also attributable to AC, it is clear that the BAIN install.7z I built is not right. Now in process of recreating...

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:13 pm

No, DLed the "Complete" version (1.2.2, is there newer?) from TesNexus.

Given the name error, and now some missing meshes also attributable to AC, it is clear that the BAIN install.7z I built is not right. Now in process of recreating...

you should not be using armamentariumarmor.esp along with armamentarium complete.
Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:22 am

What is the dirty edit made by Battlehorn Castle? I have the merged version of the unofficial patches and sm refurbish plugins, and I would like to make sure that this plugin has the correct owner.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:26 am

you should not be using armamentariumarmor.esp along with armamentarium complete.

Yep, you need to sort that out. Follow the readme instructions for armamentarium complete.

What is the dirty edit made by Battlehorn Castle? I have the merged version of the unofficial patches and sm refurbish plugins, and I would like to make sure that this plugin has the correct owner.

It makes a stray edit to The Mystic Emporium. This record can be removed completely from Battlehorn without any negative effect (and thus remove some conflicts from your game).

Vac

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:09 am

I just wish to advise that adding C.Water to Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul.esp as per the advice in the OP causes major water height issues with Unique Landscapes, specifically Fallenleaf Everglade, and The Heath (though i haven't looked at others).

Would suggest removing it from the post unless there's a compelling reason why it should be retained.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:55 am

I've noticed that the only mod tagged with import factions in my 34 GB FCOM+++ is Oscuro Oblivion Overhaul.

What other mods should be tagged with this import factions? Here comes my load order:

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Koi Addon.esp27  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp28  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp**  Book Jackets DLC.esp29  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp2A  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.75]2B  Japanese Clothing.esp2C  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.4]2D  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]2E  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.4]2F  Reznod_Mannequin.esp30  Living Economy.esp31  Living Economy - Items.esp32  Map Markers Be Done -Elys-.esp33  DLCOrrery.esp34  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]35  DLCVileLair.esp36  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]37  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp38  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]39  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp3A  1AlexScorpionSneakingSuit.esp3B  A_Simple_Ring.esp3C  ACB_Yamigarasu.esp3D  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp3E  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp3F  Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp40  Boots of Blinding Speed.esp41  BlackGear.esp42  Bride.esp43  DMACArmor.esp44  Elvenguard.esp  [Version 2.1]45  FemaleSweaterMod.esp46  kfDarkAdventuressBow.esp47  Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp48  New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp49  Nicos Kynareth Archery.esp  [Version 1.0]4A  pale_rider's Pirate Reloaded.esp4B  RavenWearClothing.esp  [Version 1.5]4C  RGMsCheerleader.esp4D  samurai.esp4E  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]4F  SLPD_Ponytail.esp50  TheOrdinatorsArmor.esp51  tkRapiers.esp52  Town_Ceremonial_Armor.esp53  Unlimited Wear.esp54  umbrella.esp55  Unlimited Weapon Recharge.esp56  VA_DKWeaponSet.esp57  Thieves Arsenal.esp58  ArynnsDrowQueen2.0.esp59  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp5A  Elven Armours.esp5B  Gloria Armor.esp5C  Female Assassins Creed - 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» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:47 am

I've noticed that the only mod tagged with import factions in my 34 GB FCOM+++ is Oscuro Oblivion Overhaul.

What other mods should be tagged with this import factions? Here comes my load order:

I would suggust:

Masters for: Streamsave_3.ess02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm0A  TIE4MODS.esm0C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]0D  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b1]14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]-- USIP - you should have that and again should be tagged with factionsand the various UOMPs tha you have but I didn't list them all.76  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]7B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]88  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c] (not yet running TT, meaning but haven't yet integrated it into my LO so haven't looked in tes4edit but I suspect this would want faction tag)8A  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c] (^^)8D  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp8E  TIE4MODSMain.espEE  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp

One of the nice things about the factions tag is that factions are rarely accidentally edited. Also for all those I would suggest relations tag as well.
Note some people will probably disaggree about tagging the fcom files with factions+relations but I do to prevent later loading stuff (ie. quest mods) from accidentally overwriting those changes.

@@Orbitor I don't use c.water on anything and I don't have any water issues but if you use it on OOO you should also use it on most/all of the ULs (which I keep meaning to add to my massively overburdened LO so I don't know specifically which ones want the c.water tag and which dont')

Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:09 am

I've noticed that the EDI soldiers had slaughtered the truffle pig and a few dogs found in Better Cities B&M Bravil.

I think I saw them do it in regular Blood and Mud Bravil - would a factions tag on EDI fix that?

thanks

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:25 am

@@Orbitor I don't use c.water on anything and I don't have any water issues but if you use it on OOO you should also use it on most/all of the ULs (which I keep meaning to add to my massively overburdened LO so I don't know specifically which ones want the c.water tag and which dont')

I just have c.water on better cities now. I added it to OOO due to the advice in the original post.

Interestingly, I did add c.water to one of the particular UL esp's where I was seeing water issues (and rebuilt the bash patch). This didn't resolve the water issues at all despite it being after OOO in the load order...only removing c.water from OOO fixed it.
I didn't try adding c.water to ALL the UL esp's, though I can't see why that would be any different.

And just btw, you should really add UL - it really is one of the absolute best mods out there. Makes the world so much more interesting & fun to explore.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:20 am

I would suggust:

Masters for: Streamsave_3.ess02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm0A  TIE4MODS.esm0C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]0D  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b1]14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]-- USIP - you should have that and again should be tagged with factionsand the various UOMPs tha you have but I didn't list them all.76  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]7B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]88  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c] (not yet running TT, meaning but haven't yet integrated it into my LO so haven't looked in tes4edit but I suspect this would want faction tag)8A  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c] (^^)8D  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp8E  TIE4MODSMain.espEE  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp

One of the nice things about the factions tag is that factions are rarely accidentally edited. Also for all those I would suggest relations tag as well.
Note some people will probably disaggree about tagging the fcom files with factions+relations but I do to prevent later loading stuff (ie. quest mods) from accidentally overwriting those changes.

@@Orbitor I don't use c.water on anything and I don't have any water issues but if you use it on OOO you should also use it on most/all of the ULs (which I keep meaning to add to my massively overburdened LO so I don't know specifically which ones want the c.water tag and which dont')

Pacific Morrowind

Thanks, PacificMorrowind! obviously I've been missing quite a chunk of the action!
As for USIP - actually I've got it but it is renamed to DLC Shivering Isles.esp, so that I can get rid of the dummy empty esp (am at 255 and still cannot merge esps...) - it is even the MOBS version!

Thanks agauin for your help, PM! (as says Jensine

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» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:35 pm

What tags do I need for this mod http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=26634 in order to make it work along with FCOM?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:36 am

I was wondering if there's a way to use tags to import only the NIFZ records from a mod into the Patch?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:06 pm

I was wondering if there's a way to use tags to import only the NIFZ records from a mod into the Patch?

currently no... why are you wanting to import that? (an importer for nifz records could easily be created)
Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:48 am

currently no... why are you wanting to import that? (an importer for nifz records could easily be created)
Pacific Morrowind

I wanted to try out Hel Borne's new http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27544 without losing FCOM settings. They look really cool - I'm going to suggest to the FCOM folk that they ask if they can integrate it, though I imagine they're busy enough just getting the next version polished off.

I've another question: If a mod just adds an item (like a weapon) and puts it in an Oblivion.esm generic container like 'ChestVendorWeaponWhatever', can I use a tag to get the container placement out of that mod and into the Bashed Patch? My guess is no again, unless Invent works with containers. I use Item Interchange, if that would work, though I'm not sure how to do it.