Just like the subject says, really. I'm new to Oblivion, though a long-time Morrowind player. When I make a batched patch and activate it, the game is unplayable--it CTDs instantly upon loading or starting a new game. Playing without the Patch works fine (well...it works, who knows what conflicts there might be in the future).

Here's my load order after BOSSing:

Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
Toaster Says Share v3.esm
TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
Francesco's Optional Files.esp
KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp
ExnemRuneskulls.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp
TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp
TamrielTravellersFactionAll.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp
300_Artifacts.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
LastUnicorn.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_ShiveringIsles.esp
SM_OOO.esp
SM_COBL.esp
SM_EnchantStaff.esp
SM_VanillaSpells.esp
SM_UnlockSpells.esp
SM_Scrolls.esp
SM_SigilStone.esp
MidasSpells.esp
No psychic guards v1.2.esp
AFLevelMod.esp
Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
TSS Custom Companion Template.esp
Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
Cobl Races.esp
Cobl Races TNR.esp
Cobl Races TNR SI.esp
Cobl Races - Balanced.esp
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-16.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Any assistance would be appreciated. I couldn't find anything with a Google search. All the results were for the reverse (i.e., if your game crashes make a Bashed Patch to fix errors).

Edit: This probably should have gone in the Wrye Bash thread. Sadly there doesn't seem to be a delete post option.

Edit Edit: Nevermind, it seems I wasn't using Bash properly. Too used to Morrowind Merged Leveled Lists, I expect. I can get through character creation now--we'll see if it crashes after leaving the sewers.

You can't play Francesco's and OOO together like that. You have to choose either - or, alternatively, use FCOM.

FCOM requires MMM, right? I wasn't really interested in that one, so I didn't get it. If there's no subpatches like FOIP for FCOM, I suppose I'll have to.

Edit: After checking, there are, so that's covered.

The problem I'm having now is that most of the NPCs eyes are messed up--the left eye is filmed over and the right eye is rotated 60 degrees or so so the pupil is just barely visible at the edge. I'm not sure what causes that.

Hmm...now it crashes to desktop after exiting the sewers. :brokencomputer:

New, updated load order:

Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Toaster Says Share v3.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
FCOM_Francescos.esp
FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp
FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp
ExnemRuneskulls.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp
FCOM_SaferRoads.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp
FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp
FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
300_Artifacts.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
LastUnicorn.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_ShiveringIsles.esp
SM_OOO.esp
SM_COBL.esp
SM_EnchantStaff.esp
SM_VanillaSpells.esp
SM_UnlockSpells.esp
SM_Scrolls.esp
SM_SigilStone.esp
MidasSpells.esp
No psychic guards v1.2.esp
AFLevelMod.esp
Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
_Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp
ElaborateEyes.esp
Beautiful People.esp
TSS Custom Companion Template.esp
Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
Cobl Races.esp
Cobl Races TNR.esp
Cobl Races TNR SI.esp
Cobl Races - Balanced.esp
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-16.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

As for your eyes issues, skip the ones above as you're already using Cobl Races.

Post your load order via Wrye Bash: Right-click File header in the mod tab > List mods > Paste

Generally I'd say it's a bad idea to start out a new game with so many mods at once as it makes troubleshooting quite hard. I'd recommend starting a new game with only a patched vanilla game, checking that it works. Add OOO, check. Add core FCOM, check. Etc.

After narrowing it down, it seems Cobl is what's causing it. Deleting everything except the basic eyeX files made it go away (though a lot of eyes then were totally black pits) and reinstalling the Cobl Cosmetics pack brought it back.



That'll come next after I fix the eye thing, yeah.

As requested, Bash's load order:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.71]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]08  Toaster Says Share v3.esm09  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0A  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0B  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp12  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  Living Economy.esp16  Living Economy - Items.esp17  Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp  [Version 1.1]18  DLCHorseArmor.esp19  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1A  DLCOrrery.esp1B  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1C  DLCVileLair.esp1D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]20  DLCThievesDen.esp21  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]22  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]23  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]24  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]25  ExnemRuneskulls.esp26  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.69]27  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]28  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp29  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp2B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2D  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.32.Final]2E  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]32  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.39c]3F  TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp  [Version 1.39c]40  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]41  TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp  [Version 1.39c]42  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]43  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp  [Version 1.39c]44  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]45  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]46  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]48  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]4C  300_Artifacts.esp4D  DLCFrostcrag.esp4E  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]4F  The Lost Spires.esp50  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]51  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]52  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp53  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]54  xulTheHeath.esp55  XulEntiusGorge.esp56  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]57  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]58  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]59  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]5A  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]5B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]5C  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]5D  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]5E  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]5F  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]60  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]61  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]62  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]63  xulPantherRiver.esp64  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]65  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]66  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]67  xulBlackwoodForest.esp68  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]69  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]6A  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp6B  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]6C  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]6D  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]6E  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]6F  LastUnicorn.esp70  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]71  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]72  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]73  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]74  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]75  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]76  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]77  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]78  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.86]79  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]7A  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]7B  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]7C  MidasSpells.esp7D  No psychic guards v1.2.esp7E  AFLevelMod.esp7F  TSS Custom Companion  Template.esp80  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp81  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]82  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]83  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]84  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]85  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp86  Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-16.esp87  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

(Ren's hair remains because the Cobl hairs won't load for my high elf without it for some reason).

Edit: And my thought that it was specifically excluding the game from using Ren's eyes (since it does say hair only) is dashed after I unchecked it, rebuilt the patch excluding it and the problem persists. My character's hair stayed the same, though, so that's one less mod in the load order at least.)

OOO- and MMM- Cobl showed up after I reinstalled--are they necessary with FCOM active? BOSS doesn't give any warnings about them, but I have them turned off at the moment.

After further checking, it appears to be a "Ren's eye textures on vanilla eye meshes" problem. It seems, though, that the Cobl Resources pack isn't installing the necessary meshes?

Hmm...I have a Data/Meshes/Characters/Ren/Eyes folder with files for both eyes...

Looks like it's also an issue with having installed Beautiful People previously. Time to surgically remove that. Reinstalling it using BAIN and then uninstalling it should catch all the files, correct?

Yes, that is incompatible with pretty much all other race mods.

Reinstalling it using BAIN and then uninstalling it did fix the eye problem, so that's one problem down.

Now...mod-switching on and off time.

I think I got it. I managed to successfully escape the sewers, at least.

After a bunch of turning stuff on and off, it came down to:

2F Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3C Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]


After turning those off, I can get out of the sewers without crashing. Future stability is, of course, not assured.

Nice.

Regarding Diverse WaterLife, make sure you're using the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1091526-relzmartsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/page__view__findpost__p__15925105 version.

Thank you for all your help!

Sadly, the linked version also causes a CTD.

Edit: Hmm...now I'm getting the MMM green corpse bug too.

Make sure you have the MMM.bsa and that it is renamed FCOM_Convergence.bsa.

Also, you're welcome. I'm almost certain you'll like MMM. It's an awesome mod that basically transforms Cyrodiil into a living, dynamic world.

I actually found another thread that gave the same solution and was too busy playing to come and post about it. >.>



It was kind of refreshing when the barbarians went for the Imperial guardsman wearing full armor rather than my scrawny robe-clad apprentice mage, since I don't actually have a giant sign that says "PC!" over my head.

For some reason, that... doesn't quite look right to me. If I'm mistaken, please somebody tell me now!

To elaborate, my version of that bsa file starts the same, but has some extra characters in it too. Otherwise, there would be an awful clash, with FCOM's own bsa file. Again, unless I've done something horribly wrong this time around...

Sorry, I meant FCOM_Convergence_MartsMonsterMod.bsa. Yes, it would clash with FCOM's bsa if renamed as ^^^.

Phew! I really wasn't sure there for a sec. Seriously not trying to be snarky or whatever. There have been quite a few changes lately, to FCOM, and MMM, what with all the BSAa and so on. Likely there'll be even more changes, now that Fran's has been opened up for repackaging, etc. So, I'm never totally sure I'm up to date with all this. Thanks for clearing it up anyway.