So I warned the Railroad, and the Brotherhood. I got there and everyone was fighting. Well, long story short, everyone kept walking into my bullets...in the end I had about 8 gauss rifles, a number of gatling lasers, several sets of Brotherhood T-60, a ton of synth armor, combat armor, some Railroad outfits with ballistic weave, and more. I trudged away with over 2000lbs of stuff.


Anyone else make a similar haul? If I don't fire on them will they kill eachother indefinitely?

the quest won't end until you pick a side to win. well unless you just stood around long enough and waited I suppose eventually one side will win. And then you can just loot them all.

But yeah its a great source for gauss rifles

I've done that battle for each faction now except the MM. In all cases above ground I just didn't shoot anyone whose faction I was in and left the BoS alone. Once underground I had to kill everyone who wasn't in my faction. Oddly enough once back above ground the BoS was still friendly regardless of how many BoS I killed below. I suppose because there were no survivors underground to tell the tale. Loot everywhere.

One really odd scene was once when I was backing the Institute. The essential Courier was pinned down by a BoS Knight in PA. The Courier was laying there needing a Stimpak. The BoS was friendly to me, just talking about the battle and all that. The Courier would try to stand up and the Knight would mow him down again. So I couldn't help the Courier without getting all the BoS all over me (and they were everywhere ... I guess they won the battle), but the Courier wouldn't die either. I was fun watching that go on for a while.

Carrying all the loot back to Hangman's Alley took a little time.

you can finish the quest without finally picking sides at least one way (that i tried, might also be other ones i don't know of):

get the bunker hill quest from the institute side (objective: meet x8-68 (x6-88? x-8-86? whatever .

instead of meeting him, kill him.

you'll get the "meet father" and "deal with the synths" objectives, ignore the synths and do not enter bunker hill, directly go to meet father.

he'll refer to an outcome of the battle that was "not good for the institute", but all dialogue options but one will allow you to stay with the institute, not altering your relations to any of the other factions. back at the institute, father will still put you in command of the institute, and your first quest will be to go piss off the brotherhood.

This is the dumbest quest in the game. I really hope they patch it up and make one or two of the Factions hostile against you. Depending on who you choose, and warn. Theres a big war going on, and you aren't part of it. You can kill whoever you want, but they don't go hostile until you go inside. You kill the Courser, the other synths don't go hostile. Kill a railroad agent, they don't go hostile. kill BoS, they don't go hostile. I feel really cheaped out with this quest, that we are missing out on a sweet battle. I get zero enjoyment about killing enemies who don't fight back. Maybe you guys do. But it does nothing for me.

I finished the quest without firing a single bullet.

A lot of people don't like the fact that you can do this, but I think it's absolutely brilliant. You can work as a triple agent for all three factions. I met up with the Courser, and after the initial dialog I killed him (where there would be no witnesses), which satisfied the Railroad. I walk straight through and since everyone thinks I'm on their side, nobody shoots at me. I went down into the cellar and killed the synths, which satisfied the BoS. Then I grabbed like 8 gauss rifles and 7 suits of T-60, dropped it off, and convinced Father that I was ambushed. All three of the factions think that they're the only ones who know the story of what actually went down there, but in reality I'm the only one that actually does.

Yes, doing it this way means that you're not involved in any combat. That's one of the things I love most about it. There's plenty of combat in the game. What the game lacks is well thought out quests like this one that allow your previous decisions to make you basically a ghost walking right through all of it to carry out your own personal objective. I think this is one of the best quests in the game, and I think this because of the same reasons that have led many to think it's one of the worst.

edit - correction, I finished the quest without firing any bullets aside from the ones used to kill the Courser and the synths in the cellar. I didn't fire any bullets in combat though.

I didn't kill anyone in that quest either. Just walked around and collected the high end loot. I did reset the synths tho. Don't think it matters with the Railroad... but I haven't completed the game yet (I'm dragging it as long as possible). PAM won't give me any more quests but everyone else in the Railroad does. I'm sure once I get do Banished From the Institute she'll soften up to me again.

Once you completed Blind Betrayal, PAM will get locked down because of the Brotherhood quest. It has nothing to do with the Institute.

Does she start talking once you destroy the Institute?

Yes, she would, because it would complete the BOS questline or fail BOS questline by destroying the BOS. If you side with the RR, you would destroy the BOS, thus failing that quest, if you side with the BOS, then PAM would be transported to BOS but you can no longer do RR quests. Siding with the MM is the only way to keep both PAM and Danse and still receive RR quests.

I'm doing Minuteman so I guess that will do it. Just prolonging the ending since I like everyone for different reasons...

Yeah, that's a good idea. I side with the BoS because I get to keep my husbando, and I could care less about the RR and I'm still upset about what they did to Danse. Plus, I got promoted to Sentinel. Basically, the same as the MM with a faction I dislike gone, too bad, the Institute is a casualty though.

You can keep Danse with a Minuteman ending no??

Yes, but I don't care for the RR, so no chips off my shoulder if they're gone, and I was made sentinel, so it's basically the MM ending except you get a higher rank. You can get Danse as Minutemen ending as well, Danse even referencing it. As a sentinel, I'm just one step above Elder, so if anything happens to Maxson or if Maxson leaves the Commonwealth and go back to the Capital, I'd be in charge, and I could work to bring Danse back or maybe influence the Commonwealth with BoS patrolling and guarding the area.

One step "below" is what you meant, I think, but yes, if we hear all the people supporting the Institute because as Director you can influence the Institute to help mankind, if you ever became BoS Elder you could do the same for the BoS and do a Lyons on them (although half the chapter will probably desert again). Given how attractive Maxson's coat is, I'd say your odds of becoming Elder are pretty high - just don't wear that coat.

I support the Institute because Gen 3 synths are already pretty awesome, hell, even Gen 1s and 2s kick ass. So I will focus on weapons, scavenge anything worthwhile from the Prydwen, build disgustingly strong new power armor with institute tech. Create my own Institute of Steel as it were, and rule the wastes with an iron fist. Muahahaha!



...that's a new direction, right?