Baurus is one of my favourite characters in my game. I RP'ed that he became SPOILERgrandmaster of the Blades after Jauffre died during the Bruma battle (in my game he did )SPOILEREND

But unfortunately, he almost never gets my class right aswell. I believe the ones I've heard more are Agent, Acrobat and Archer.

I continue to be surprised that people are surprised at the "choice" the game offers. Apparently people are playing different "classes" than they think they are.

A true Mage or Warrior does not sneak through a rat-filled dungeon, and does not know how to pick locks.

how dare you insult baurus... this topic should be locked

Good points, I actually thought exactly that while at work. The game can′t be totally wrong regarding playstyle-class. Most people try various stuff in the tut or just search for valuable things and all that counts towards a certain class

Perhaps the choice the game offers is the opportunity to play something besides fantasy cliches. Why shouldn't a sufficiently determined wizard learn to pick locks? It's a challenge isn't it? And the wizard who spends his life running into large chambers full of bandits shouting a spell without doing any sneaking. is a dead wizard very quickly.

Of course we know that all fighters are stupid and incapable of learning spells. And all thieves are total wimps of course. They should be confined to traditional roles keeping house and raising children killing orcs and robbing from the rich....

But if, in your version of the world, all mages have to be Gandalf, feel free to play it that way. If I don't I'm glad that TES games allow me to do so.

It always seems like no matter what skills I use in the opening dungeon, Baurus guesses my class to be Bard.

No, you're missing the point. The things you do in the tutorial are what influence the suggestion that Baurus makes. If you pick locks and sneak, you are going to be suggested a class that picks locks and sneaks. You don't have to accept the suggestion. My point is that we ought not to be surprised by the choice Baurus offers us, based upon what we have actually done.

Every single time, yes. :facepalm:

Maybe he's guessing just fine, except he has serious misconceptions about what those jobs actually do.

"There are rats and goblins down there... but from what I've seen of you, I'm guessing you are an experienced Bard."

Don't be too hard on him(that's what she said ). He is a knight and they don't focus on intelligence
Seriusly though: The system used to guessing your class is flawed and almost always gets it wrong.

It's as if he goes "screw it. your a bard!" :biggrin:

Except that I don't. I purposefully focus on my Destruction skill, in the form of casting as many Flare spells as I can, yet I never, ever come up as some sort of magic based character. While I do open locked chests, I'd be a fool not to, the only time I use Sneak is with that Goblin Shaman. With a Sneak Attack and the Damage Health potion I pick up, I can drop her with a single hit. And I only use my Blade if I happen to miss my target with my Flare spell. There's absolutely no reason why Bard show come up as consistently as it does.

Sorry, but you're missing the point. I purposely focus on my magic, using the other skills only where really needed, hoping that just once Baurus will get it right. He never does. The mechanism is broken, pure and simple.

Really? You're telling me that you use security, but that you think the results ought not to be taken into account just because you wanted what was inside the locked chests?

I'm telling you that it is possible to go through that tutorial acting like a mage, using only magic, and leaving the stuff in the locked chests. I've done it, and when I did it, Baurus correctly guessed "Mage."

One thing I'd point out, if you're hoping to spam a skill to influence being chosen as a magic class, the skill you'd want to spam is the Healing spell, which will count every time it's cast, since it always has a target. And, as it happens, if you don't sneak and wear armor in the tutorial, you are going to take a lot of damage, and get to use that skill quite often.

I'm not defending the game's method of choosing a "suggested class," because I agree that it's bogus (and I think I said so above.) But it's not "broken"; it actually works as it was designed to work. The method is silly, and the system used in earlier TES games was simpler and more to the point - just a series of questions whose answers led to the class suggestion. But it actually does work if you do the things it's looking for.

Most people are simply not playing the class they think they're playing. Think about it. You're a mage, and you just escaped from prison, and you're running through a rat-infested cave. You've already met one zombie, and you don't know if there's worse hiding in the next shadow. Are you really going to stop and spend precious time trying to teach yourself to pick locks, just so you can get a couple of gold coins and two lockpicks that are in there? No, you wouldn't. A Thief would, but a Mage wouldn't. A Mage doesn't need anything that's in any of those chests.

Posting kinda late here, but I totally agree with this one! Baurus has enough worries on his mind. He's basically stuck in the sewer by himself until a certain quest kicks in, which could mean he'll be down there game-weeks, months, and even years if the player does not follow that particular quest!. I know htis because I had a character who never did quests who went back up the sewers and found Baurus still there after quite some time!

Anyways, He's got to make this snap judgement about who you are just after witnessing his charge being murdered. I'd say he has enough on his mind at that point, which is why he (if you're roleplaying) gets it wrong.

I never encounter Baurus, since I have a saved game just before you exit the sewers. This means I can start a new character from there and skip the idiot completely!!! LOL

Of course not, but if my Destruction skill goes up twice while everything else only goes up once, then it should be an indication that my character is leaning more to magic than anything else.



I don't "spam" spells, I use them. If I'm not wounded, I'm not going to cast a Heal spell on myself just for the hell of it.



Now see, that's part of the problem. I'm not a Mage, I'm a Spellsword who uses both magic and melee. And the game is almost completely incapable of detecting those kinds of hybrid classes. Since there are a number of them to choose from, I'd say this inability makes the selection process broken. What use is it if it's only capable of detecting "pure" classes?



A hybrid class would.

A hybrid class like "bard"?

Seriously, I see your point, but I think the problem is caused by the fact that both Security and Sneak are extremely fast-leveling skills, while the two magic skills you get in the tutorial, and the combat skills as well, are much slower-leveling. This, plus the fact that you are actually encouraged to over-use the Stealth skills; you're prompted to use the bow, and you're told to sneak up on the goblin. And there are too many locked chests, to tempt you.

I wasn't suggesting spamming Restoration (in the sense of casting Healing without needing it.) I was suggesting that Restoration is at least as likely to level up in the tutorial as Destruction is, if you're playing a non-sneaking character with no armor.

But that's never been my issue. As I mentioned, my Destruction skill would raise at least twice, while any other skills I may gain would only do so once. Yet that never seemed to be taken into consideration. While you may not see that as being broken, I do.

It's not based upon which skill was raised the most times. It's based upon proportional skill usage.

If you're getting "bard" suggested to you, then your proportion is 2 Combat, 2 Magic, 3 Stealth. (Bard is actually a Stealth-based class; it has 3 Stealth skills, 2 Magic skills, and 2 combat major skills.)

You don't have to take Baurus's choice. He's an idiot, anyway.

In the sewers I don't expect Baurus to get my class right. He's only just met you, he's more than a little distracted by the death of the emperor & his fellow Blades. However what really bothers me about him is when you meet him to try and learn about the Mythic Dawn, the nut doesn't have any body armor. OK, wearing Blade Armour would be a bad idea, it would attract too much attention, but chain mail or leather is common place, and doesn't standout.

Baurus joined the Blades after going out of business as one of those "guess your class" booth guys they have at Cyrodiilic faires.

Or maybe Baurus is just hoping you'll sing him a song. :twirl:

Yeah, he may be an idiot, but he has an ear for good music. :wink_smile:

I wanted to be a mage/spellblade and then he said "You look like a skilled Barbarian" O_O. Ok then.