You lie! You're here 24-7 doing damage control for Bethesda. That's all you do. You're apparently never enjoying this game that works so well for you cause you're always here lying to people.

if your that bothered about talking to your brothers then why you playing a game while they on.

And again another thread down the drain.. because of opinion in stead of facts.
1. Fact patch 1.2 contains bugs..
2. Fact it will be fixed soon with a patch update (btw this will not be patch 1.3 but a fix for patch 1.2)
3. MS has a rule, which means every patch by every company, or for that matter any downloaded title update, either DLC/patches/ or stuff like rosters, needs to be certified by MS.
4. Once certified You as a user are obliged (if it is a title update) to download that patch in order to adhere to the terms. X-Box live acquires from you as an end user to download every patch. (this is mostly because of MP games and because X-Box live (golds) main goal is to offer a stable multi-player platform.)
5. Once a title update is certified it will stay there..

So in short: Being angry/mad/pissed whatever at Bethesda because they made a bad patch.. fine.. agreed even..
Being mad at them because you have to sign out of Live because you don't accept a patch is bullocks. Be mad at MS for forcing you to download bad patches. This is not the first title which has patch problems and certainly will not be the last.
MS enforces users to adhere to rules which are meant to safeguard their multiplayer platform even if the title is SP only. (or patches SP content only). Secondly the certification proces is often frowned upon and makes it very hard for companies to put out quick fixes for titles.
So in short blame MS.

I agree, MS is money hungry. Their terms of use even prohibit using an old Xbox 360 HDD on the new slims, just to generate more revenue for their overpriced HDD.

However after switching skyrim from PS3 to 360 I've actually been able to enjoy the game. I don't use Live so I'm able to play on pre broken patch with no issues. MS may even remove the patch but Bethesda hasn't formally acknowledge that it's broken. MS has good reasons to require latest patches for online use.

So the fault goes to Bethesda. They should of requested it removed when they found out it was broken.

The process of patch removal (ie Title updates) is even more atrocious than the certification process (legal reasons and liability issues). It is faster for both consumers and companies to fix a bad patch than going through another lengthy withdrawal process.

I agree with the OP.

We paid for a game that works out of the box and Bethesda sold it as a game that works right out of the box. So why should he be made to suffer? If the worked like Bethesda said it would when he bought it then he would be able to use his XBox Live service while playing the game.

But that is not the case because XBox forces you to accept or decline a patch that has been widely criticized and even is recommended that you avoid by multiple press sources. Thereby, the "patch" that should be avoided is causing him to get kicked offline and should be removed.

A customer of Bethesdas should not be made to suffer through any inconviences while they try to get their act together. And the super shietty lack of information from Bethesda is pathetic.

"Yeah, we'll get to it next week after we spend your money. Hope you have something else to play during the holidays! Love, Bethesda"

Yeah after seeing all the problems with PS3 1.2 release, I don't see why they didn't stop the 360's release of the update. Though I can't see how both parties(Beth&MC) missed the debacle 1.2 is. I mean what does Microsoft do when they get an update for certification?

Also would like to say about paying for LIVE... I have both consoles and play online on both, however I have a more enjoyable time with my 360. Party chat alone is worth the $50 a year, talking up to eight people no matter what game anyone is playing is great. On my PS3 there is no party chat, well it has one you just can't be in game and use it.

Like I said.. Yes they really did a bad job on that patch.. But claiming you can't use XBox live because of their screw up is simply the OP's choice and cannot be attributed to Bethesda. The game was buggy before the patch and has a number of major flaws post patch. So yes be angry at that.
The simple fact is still that Microsoft is the one who decides you have to download it because of the obligations for X Box live.

Yes the 1.2 patch has also fixed a lot for millions of players, many are having no issues, so basically screw all those people, all that matters is that you can chat with people online? Is that what you are saying?

patch 1.2 works for my xbox, did you even have issues before or are you just avoiding patching because of what others have said?

i think i have a solution for you.............
ill have to try to be nice here because either i dont understand your problem, or youre being a complete ____

let me try to get this right... basically what youre saying is, every time you play skyrim you like to talk to your brothers and you like to talk to them the whole time youre playing?


if im wrong and you dont talk to your brothers every time you play skyrim, have you tried:

disconnecting from xbox live ONLY when you want to play skyrim?
lets say you play skyrim from an hour= disconnect from xbox live for an hour
you play skyrim for 3 hours and 12 minutes= disconnect from xbox live for 3 hours and 12 minutes

and then guess what? i have a feeling you know what im about to say
when youre done playing reconnect to xbox live


you know that skyrim doesnt require xbox live to run, so just go ahead and disconnect before you run your game
(hint: you could probably even reconnect once the game loads if you HAVE to talk to your brothers while you play skyrim)


p.s. sorry for all the sarcasm, but your complaint was very frustrating and unnecessary
p.p.s. the patch significantly improved the game for me- you could try that too

40 bucks a year isn't anything to me and worth it back when I used Gold membership. Unless you live with mom and dad still it shouldn't be an issue for anyone else either. Unless of course you are supporting yourself through college.

Now I'm Silver cause I don't play anything online. But 40 bucks is cheap. For ever 4 console players 3 of them are on Live as opposed to PSN. Just a better experience overall.

Anyways.

To the OP: You only have to be dc'd from Live when you are actually PLAYING the game. You can be signed in and sit in dashboard, watch Netflix, or whatever and chat it up. Not a big deal.

I have kids to monitor, my wife plays during the day, I play when they are at school or when Im about to go to bed, I have put in about 110 hours in my game so far. I dont feel the need to play marathon sessions to enjoy my game.

Well, you feel the need to lie to people here all day, all night. Why dont you go play your game instead? I cant cause it's broken. What's your reason?

Hey bro. I can't use my game to its full potential so stop your whining and get over it.

It wasn't a personal attack. I was quoting a Metallica song in reference to Sammuthegreat's avatar. Chill.

Bumping this old thread for that comment wasn't necessary. :lightbulb:

I'm pretty sure I can respond to comments made to me on this forum as I see fit. Also, as far as "bumping", didn't you just do the same with your pointless comment?

Yeah, I lived all over the world, and even on the smallest remote locations you can get near free numbers, like 2 p per minute. http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&q=call+uk+cheap

2 minutes after yours? Nice try.

lol Im lying? oh wait is it cause my copy is running fairly well (save some quest issues and a backwards dragon) that it makes me a liar? Im about to play some more now but had to drop kids off to school

Some people just don't understand the responsibilities that advlts must tend to (got 3 kids myself) before just playing games all day. You shouldn't have to explain yourself.

Just to reiterate:

I understand that if I want to use my Xbox Live features without downloading the 1.2 patch I can just not play Skyrim. No worries, easily done. The only hitch here is that people aren't always on when I log in and sometimes it is nice to see that a brother of mine logged on. I could either turn my Xbox on and just sit there staring at the dashboard waiting to see when someone will log on, or I could play Skyrim and enjoy myself and jsut et a prompt whenever somebody logs on. There is a reason why the other Xbox Live services are designed to work on the background.

I also understand that some people claim that 1.2 fixes a lot of things, but it also negates and or reverses magic (fire, frost, shock, poison, disease) resistance. This kind of nullifies much of what makes many character types special, and seriously detracts from gameplay. Conjure a fire atronach and shoot it with your flames spell ...

I understand that patches are difficult to get together and fully test. I understand software is a finnicky beast. Sometimes the small size restriction for patches on Xbox makes it even tougher for developers. I get it, and I wholeheartedly support giving the developers time to make the patch as good as they can. In the meantime I would like to have the patch that adds problems to the game removed so I can enjoy the game on 1.1 but not be forced to be offline while I do so.

This isn't a big deal in the larger scope of life. This doesn't keep me up at night but from the perspective of these two items (the service of Xbox Live and the product Skyrim) this issue is a letdown and an inconvenience for me, a paying customer.

And BTW, a lot of you guys should stop trying to make this personal because it just makes you sound foolish. Have a nice day.