You make me laugh. You rebut what I say then don't expect a rebuttal as well and then you say that I'm "projecting my argument onto you". You have a victim complex my friend. It's called what a discussion is. One person says their side and then the other person says their side with their arguments of why the other persons view is flawed and then it's the other persons turn. I don't know where you learned social context from but yeah, that's how discussions are, one person says one thing and the other person says something back, you just don't get to say your side and expect to have the last word. I pointed out your descriptors because that's what you used to describe the ideas, do I really have to use synonyms or else I'm just regurgitating two words? It's asinine to use the word asinine frankly and I don't see how I'm an ass because I said that there is no need to have a feature like this in the game because it's not worth taking the development time from another feature that actually effects gameplay for the tiny minority of players that want it like you. Not sure how I'm a hypocrite, I sort've needed to perform some act of hypocrisy to be a hypocrite. Your just reflecting the fact that I pointed out your hypocrisy in my last post and now somehow I'm the hypocrite.

Edit: Oh and I don't know why you keep using your as if your trying to show that my writing suggests everything has to affect me when in fact, if you look at the way I write it, none of it is about ME it is all WE or PEOPLE. I actually take into account other players while you only take into account YOU and ME.

i posted a topic about this (twice, by accidnet) yesterday.

It would be a cool option to have.

Option being the key word for all you manly adventurers that don't have time outside of dragon slaying. (I can see where you're coming from though so don't sweat)

Cool :thumbsup:

Once again, comes down to development time. There is no reason to add this in as an "option" when we already can own our own stores and have jobs. It would take key development from other features in the game that has an effect on gamplay or sells the world as real like adding transparent windows. Yes, in theory it is a nice idea for those that want to RP being a mayor and run their own town but in reality, it just isn't worth the development time compared to other features.

My thoughts exactly

What would yo ulike to see in this feature?

no

Being the mayor of a town would be kinda cool. Two Worlds 2 had a system like this for your online character. It was interesting, but could definitely used refining. Pretty much could be said about all of Two Worlds. I love people that complain about stuff turning this game into a life sim. By that logic we should be forced to fast travel to every single location we wanted to visit, because walking is for real life.

Cool story bro, so arn't you the guy that erlier said he'd want the climbing feature of AC in TES?



I never played that game what was its system like?

I want a system were the citys livelyhood really depends on your ability as a leader, if your a bad one people are gonna starve or revolt.

It was mostly geared towards producing gear for your character. But you had to build farms and guardhouses and a tavern to keep the people happy. Only negative to them not being happy that I got to see was that income would go down. The people were static though, and the only person you ever talked to was this kinda steward that would give you little quests to defend the town. I think it would work much better in TES with how much more living and breathing the world is.

Cool story bro. That's now that I said at all. Someone said "Keep your AC out of TES" and I said it would be nice to have AC's climbing feature in the game. Never said it should be a feature or even entertained the idea of adding it. However if you want to go that route, it would be better to have development time put to this feature than to having being a mayor also. It triggers in response to conditions such as running toward certain points with triggers an animation and a position change in response to give the illusion that the character is actually climbing. Unlike the mayor idea, AC's climbing feature would actually have gameplay value. If you guys want to be asses to me I can show you just how flawed your arguments are....



You can affect the lives of the people in a town in Skyrim without being the leader, it has already been confirmed that you can destroy an economy by your actions. However, if you want to control every aspect of a town and everyones lives in it precisely, then there are plenty of life sim games out there and even some RTSs.

Wow, so being able to view through the windows would add that much more to the world compared to running a town? I think the whole window thing would be a waste of time. If I want to see what's going on outside, I'll just walk outside.

And being a mayor makes no sense. You don't have time to run a town, you know, your trying to keep the world from being destroyed and can't really run a city when your not there. Making the world look more real adds more to the non-gameplay changing features than being able to be the mayor of a village which chances are there is no such thing as a "mayor".

I think with the new radiant story feature they've been talking about could help fix some of the flaws you mentioned, do you think that might help. Also TES's characters always have had more depth at least thanks to the interface.


No, no we all love your holyer then thou a attitude, and if you insist you can begin when ever you want

I would like to know what holier than thou attitude you mean. I tell you the facts that it is very unlikely it won't be added and I tell you it isn't worth the development time that it would take from the rest of the game. If you guys want to take it somehow personally as if I'm attacking you and saying it's a terrible idea, go ahead, just don't be rude to me when all I was doing was giving you the facts and I even said it was a nice idea but realistically wasn't worth the time.

You would think that wouldn't you? unfortunatly i have serious problem with prcrastination, mabe you dont have time but as far as im concerned the whole world can get eaten while i manage my little town, if they have a problem with that they can go kill the dragons themself i have mining and woodcuting and town leading to do.

Your right by the way i think mayor is a bad name, i wanna make my own "The most amazing ruler of all things in this town" will be my informal name, but i guess "Sir Lord" when i pass by npcs

Cool, that's your decision but menial things like owning your own town is in the realm of mods, not belonging in an Action RPG where the main two focuses are Action and RPG and how they will relate to each other. TES is not a Sims game and making it a Sims game would be a mod that you and some other people might like but it doesn't belong in an Action RPG at the expense of the rest of the game.

You don't have time to run a town, but you have time to run around doing endless side quests? What if you don't start the main quest and you have no idea the world is at stake, do you still not have time to be the mayor of a town? And why are you assassinating people when you should be saving the world. Or joining guilds. Or any of that stuff. I'm surprised you're not advocating stripping the game of everything but the MQ in favor of not wasting time.

What are you not getting? I keep telling you, something as minor as owning your own town is not worth losing development time from sidequests and other more important parts of the game where there is actual gameplay and ACTION in the ACTION RPG. Controlling every aspect of the town has some element of RPG but it is mostly a life simulation instead of a true RP effect. You have to realize for the most part, most people won't use this feature by itself. They will use the mayor feature and then go off and keep playing that actual game. When that happens, it doesn't make sense how your supposed to be a mayor and still do adventures. Thus it comes into the problem where they just wasted their dev time working on a feature that only makes sense for a small number of people that just sit in their town and work on it instead of playing the rest of the game. So they find out that to make the mayor feature, it was at the detriment of another feature in the game or in lieu of another feature that would affect far more people and still feel real like transparent windows or AC climbing.

Two things. First you're are an arrogant [censored]. now that i got that out of the way, Let me emphasize something you said. RPG as in ROLE playing game, you know what roles are? like assassins, theives, warriors, artists, or, wait for it, mayors. someone had an idea about something they would like added to the game. you say its not a Sims game, and its not. it's a TES game. but adding the ability to govern a town doesn't make it, poof, a Sims game. is assassin's creed a sims game? no, i didnt think so. its an action game, where you can govern a little villa/town. now back to why i called you an arrogant ass hole. this guy is suggesting something he likes and you're bashing it because you don't like it, so you're saying only stuff you like should be in the game. you are also pretentious by suggesting only a minority would like it because you don't know what anyone but you would like. i for one would like it, it'd be cool. and a few others have said they'd like it too, now we may be the only ones that like it and hence the minority but maybe most everyone else likes it. who knows. now one last thing since my foods about ready, a guy should be able to post an idea on this thread without having an arrogant, pretentious ass hole like you bashing his idea. if you dont like it you can voice your opinion and give a reason or two, and thats ok, but bashing it is not. now be nice and have a cookie :cookie:

Whatever, I'm tired of you people that are so touchy because your all the same people that have complaints about the game that are unfounded. Obviously you only see the world from the eyes of gamers that think everything is just a click of the mouse to add when you don't know in reality the truth. You call me a pretentious ass bashing the idea when I've said two or three times it was a good idea, it just will NEVER make it into the game because it isn't worth the time that would be wasted on it because there are numerous features that are far better than this and actually affect the gameplay. You can call me a arrogant ass and how I'm so pretentious but your the people that are attacking me because I said it wasn't realistic to put in the game because it doesn't make sense in an Action RPG and it's not worth the development time. You guys are the arrogant ones that flame me because I disagree with you, you guys should be ashamed of yourselves lol. If you can't take the reality that it doesn't fit in the main game then that's your problem but don't flame me when I never flamed you and only showed you the facts. I guarantee the dev team would agree with the assumption. You have to look at it from the point of view of a development standpoint, not from the standpoint of spoiled little players like you who flame me who think everything little, menial thing can be added in with ease....

Edit: Also, ACs system isn't what they are asking for, all you do is pay money on a building and it's fixed up. If that's what they are asking for, even bigger no....

Actually, you seem to be the one that doesn't get it. Just because "YOU" don't find it interesting doesn't mean anyone else does. It's okay, because you have a right to be an arrogant self-serving narcissist.

...I don't know how much more clear I can be. Not once did I say I didn't like the idea. In fact I said it was a good idea. I said it is not WORTH the large amount of development time for a feature that does not affect gameplay. That development time is better suited for another feature that actually effects gameplay instead of just being an aesthetic effect. Aesthetic effects are for mods. I've only been talking from a development stand point and all you do is attack me because I say that it isn't reasonable within development time without losing some other possible better feature. Not once have I ever said "ME" or "I" in the explanations of why it shouldn't/won't happen. I just don't understand why you people start flaming me and taking it personally when I say it doesn't fit in the game for the time needed to make it. Also, it doesn't make since in this kind of game. You can't be the mayor of a town and only be there 3 days out of the month.

Closed for review

Nope. Too much work to clean up at this point. :shakehead: