SO when i installed MMM and everything on wrye bash and obmm I have a huge list of things related to mmm yet http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/924363-the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion/48544847 says that it should beFCOM_Convergence.esm

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

Oblivion.esm (if you have Shivering Isles installed, it will read "Oblivion.esm [SI])

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Bashed Patch, 0.esp (if this isn't listed, go into your Oblivion\Mopy\Extras directory, make a copy of "Bashed Patch, 0.esp", and place it in your Oblivion\Data folder)

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp (if you do not have Shivering Isles, this will not be listed)

FCOM_BobsArmory.esp

FCOM_Convergence.esp

FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp

FCOM_Francescos.esp

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp

FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp

FCOM_Knights.esp (IF you have Knights of the Nine installed. If you have the Game of the Year edition, this should be in your list, and checked!)

FCOM_RealSwords.esp

FCOM_Warcry.esp

Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp (this should only be here and activated if you have Shivering Isles installed)

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp (this should only be here and activated if you have Shivering Isles installed)

Knights.esp (IF you have Knights of the Nine - comes with GOTY edition)

Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp .



as u can see there just one MMM. ALso my fransesco a lot was added (non checked off but all active on obmm) and my MMM has a bunch and all checked off. did i do soemthing wrong is it just the way obmm added the files?

You should have a Mart's Monster Mod.esm, but there should also be an FCOM_Convergence.esm as well.

Some of the Frans optionals are usable, if you follow the installation instructions for Frans on the FCOM homepage (I'm pretty sure they haven't changed).

A lot of the MMM optionals are also fine, but start with testing a barebones build before you add the optionals.

Make sure your BSA names match the suggestions on the FCOM thread as well.


Edit: ...those would be the MMM and FraNewItem BSAs. If you used the MMM OMOD installer, that one should be fine.

would somebody be able to check my load order really quick? and tell me exactly how to get to the load order to paste it onto the site? if its not too much of a bother. if somebody could that would be about the last thing i need.

hmmm. Tomlong. I remember you. You remember me?

Yes. Please, post your load order. Although, this whole thing belongs in the FCOM thread.

Give me one sec. I need to finish my bossing and and adding one more thing and i'll see if i can figure out how to post it here.

Right-click on the File tab, choose "List Mods", and paste the list here.

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.71]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]09  Artifacts.esm0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0B  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0E  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0F  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]11  ExnemRuneskulls.esp12  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.69]13  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]14  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]15  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]16  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp17  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp18  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  Oblivion WarCry.esp  [Version 1.085a]1A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp1B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]1C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]1D  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]1E  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]1F  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]20  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]21  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]22  Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]23  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]24  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]25  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]26  Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]27  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]28  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]29  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]2A  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2C  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - No Spiders.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - No Wyvern.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]32  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - NoReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]34  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Increased.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Moderate Increased.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Vanilla.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - No Giants.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]42  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  Mart's Monster Mod - No Fiends.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]44  Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]45  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - No Uberhulks.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]49  Mart's Monster Mod - No Skeep.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4C  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4D  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]50  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]51  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]52  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]53  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]54  Mart's Monster Mod.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]55  Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]56  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]57  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]58  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]5B  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5C  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5D  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]5E  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]5F  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]60  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]61  Artifacts.esp62  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]63  Knights.esp64  Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]65  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]66  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]67  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]68  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]69  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6A  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]6B  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]6C  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]6D  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]6E  Bashed Patch, 0.esp6F  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]70  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]71  LFGlassArmorPack.esp

I did the whole boss thing and this is what it gave me as an order. Yea LF glass armor is thrown in. kinda the first thing i downloaded. coolest mod ive seen yet.

Read this guide from front to back. You do not need to do every step, but you need to check what you did against it. That installation is full of errors. If you are using the latest BSAs, you need to see the FCOM thread period.

FCOM Installation Guide - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/walkthroughs/fcomguide <-- This guide is not supported by the FCOM team. Any questions you have about its instructions, specifically, should be posted in the installation guides thread for my site. (See my sig.) This guide does not cover the installation using the latest BSAs (which are still in testing for a short while longer.)


Edit: wording

First thing I see would say is: don't just throw in all the plugins from large mods (like MMM). Pick and choose, after reading for a bit.

And secondly, BOSS is not just a mod ordering program, despite the acronym. It also provides valuable information, re: conflicts, redundancy and so on. Read the bosslog.txt that pops up after running it. Really.


edit: The bosslog.txt file can be found in the Oblivion\Data folder afterwards, so it's still there for checking out, if you close it straight after running BOSS.

kinda wish i had that guide before. and idk thats what obmm did i didnt wanna touch anything. damn >.> i thought i was getting somewhere.

Uninstall all of the FCOM components and Cobl. You need to reinstall those.

yea i need the omod for FCOM right? and i dont know about cobl. i saw it on the site said to get it for it so i did.


SHould i just start all over is it better to just continue on what i have? how f'ed up did i make this?

You should have OMODs for everything. Do not delete anything. Just follow the guide, and follow the OBMM track.

well i installed MMM. bad? and installed OOO. and sum mods work but sum need omod converters or whatever. idk. im just gonna keep reading and hope i can manage this b4 11 tongiht.

Please, just uninstall MMM and OOO. You need to reinstall them. Please, do not install them until you have reached the appropriate step. Read, then do.

ive been reading. and damnit those are wrong too? and i dont know how to uninstall those? theres no easy uninstall. I went into the data folder and the OBMM but idk what to do.

I am telling you to uninstall all FCOM components and COBL before proceeding with that guide. In order to uninstall OMODs, double-click on them, or select them and choose 'deactivate' (bottom bar). Fran's EXE adds and uninstaller, so you can simply run that.

yea i already deactivated fcom and cobl and fixed the fcom problem with the omod i didnt have, cobl is just deactivated cuz dont know what to do with that getting rid of the other omods now, downloading the other things u wanted me to download that ur guide says. one thing at a time. im working on it.

What, exactly, is the issue with COBL? Why is it not in an OMOD? The easiest way to uninstall it would be to OMOD it, activate the OMOD, and the uninstall the OMOD. You need to uninstall that mod. Delete the plugin before you try overwriting it with OBMM, and do the deletion through OBMM. (Right-click on the plugin in the right pane, and choose 'delete'.)

idk u told me to get rid of it so i assumed i needed one of those omod converters or whatever. idk whats wrong with it but u told me to chcuk it so i did. along with mmm and ooo

im guessing fransescos is all on the fritz 2? i'll deactivate that also.

Yes, it is an FCOM component... Do not just deactivate it. Uninstall it.


Edit: wording

sorry thats what i meant. now i have....

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]02  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]03  Artifacts.esm04  DLCShiveringIsles.esp05  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]06  ExnemRuneskulls.esp07  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp08  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp09  Oblivion WarCry.esp  [Version 1.085a]0A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp0B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0C  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]0D  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]0E  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]0F  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]10  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]11  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp12  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm13  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm14  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm15  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm16  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm17  Artifacts.esp18  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]19  Knights.esp1A  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod.esm1B  Bashed Patch, 0.esp1C  LFGlassArmorPack.esp