Saying things like 'dumb down' and hand puppets doesn't help you be more right you know?
Check a map, the area surrounding las vegas is in no way the quickest or easiest way for the legion to get to ncr lands, they go to the mojave in the game because of the ncr being there and because caesar wants the strip..

Both are voided in this debate.

Lore wise I should not be able to kill a bos with something as simple as a hunting shotgun but I can in New Vegas. I get my ass kicked in Fallout with one burst from a BoS mini-gun, not so in New Vegas or Fallout 3. I can kill bos and Enclave in Fallout 3 with a pistol.

NCR isn't much better then skirts. Their average soldier has crap leather like armour and a pea shooter. Yea they won against the BoS. They did it by having simple numbers. More men then the BoS had bullets!

I like to use my common sense sometimes also...

Unfortunately for you Fallout is fiction, so "common sense" means squat.

Strange, so now your comparing gameplay to lore? Weird, that doesn't generally go down well when I talk about how rubbish the Legion are in-game... lmao

Well i try not to get blinded

Lore > Any kind of personal opinion.

Always.

No it doesn't help my case but you just don't seem to getting it. The Legion can take I40 which I guess would be some what easier but they can also send troops in through the Mojave from Utah and Colorado using the I15. http://www.project610.com/files/NCR.png

Yeah, straight through the area that is highly deadly?
If there were direct route connected to the mojave there wouldn't be any logistical problem for the ncr.
Which is my point..

Real life>Game.

You use game play lore as well :facepalm:

Point is NCR can do it. Theri basic and most common troop is not that different from Legion's most basic troop. They both have crap armour and crap weapons. Yet NCR winning out against BoS you can deal with but Legion can't? Do I detect a hint of Bias?

NCR won out against humans in suits that make them "tanks" simply by having more men then they had ammo. Legion can do the same!!!

There, fixed it for you.

That makes no sense. Yes, I know that life is better than any video game, but it doesn't make any sense. Glad you at least forfeited that hopeless argument of yours.

No it wasn't. Real life beats any nonsense said in a game. Or Commonsense can overrule what ever seems totally preposterous.

You can't compare a legion scout to an ncr scout though, do I believe some tribal in a skirt brandishing a machete can take down paladins? No..
You assume caesar is going to send a large force, I do not, for the reasons I've been having to restate for you over and over again...

There is no easy way for NCR ro send troops in. Legion don't care that it is deadly they will send their people. It can't be that deadly, people live there after all. What is deadly is the Big Empty and Divide.

Going through the Mojave is easier then sending troops from Utah and Colorado all the way back south to Flagstaf and then East into NCR. Are Highways connecting the Mojave to locations back to NCR lands.

I am not even a legion fan and yet I can see they would win. Your blind BoS bias is very amazing :thumbsup:



Blind Bias :thumbsup:

NCR with a pea shooter and two weeks training can do more then a person born into being a soldier against a BoS? :facepalm:

Simple Numers. Legion have MORE! END of STORY

I can't believe I'm getting myself into this but I think people around here are to hell bent on the fact that battles are won head to head with brute force. Well I hate to disapoint some of you but they're not. It's not JUST brute force that wins, it's also the head. Yup, the mind can win fights. How you ask? Pretty simple really. anolyse the situation, find loop holes; the enemies weakness, wait for the right moment and then strike. Odds are you do that, your chances are uped significantly.

I mean just look at General Wolf. During the 7 year war he took over Louisburg. Sure he almost lost, but last minute he found a loop hole and went for it. Look what happened. He won.

*sigh*....................................

I'm gonna try to do what Styles did and make it very simple so you'll understand. Are you ready? Good.

Lore states X has armor as strong as tank. Lore also states Y has killed some X's in combat. It's fairly simple and there is really no arguing it.




So your subjective opinion is equally as important as the lore stated is some fictive universe? That's GOLDEN.

You personal attacks are quite amusing, and quite wrong tbh.
I'm a mr house fan

Let me see if I can make this clearer though. The ncr can't send in troops from their homelands through the nojave because of the divide and the big empty. They go the long way around. With no ncr in the mojave the legion have no incentive to make the mojave their point of insertion, this means that any force there would merely be a scouting force...

I agree. So many people think everything comes down to running head long into the enemies guns. All Legion has to do is what NCR did. Cut off the BoS and let their ammo run out.

Hmm another "Legion vs the world" thread, I think i'll stay out of this one.

I will say this though, if the NCR lost soldiers at a rate of 10 to 1 against the Brotherhood I wonder what the Legions numbers would look like? Im guessing at least 50 to 1, im wondering if Caesar would be willing to deal with those kind of casulties or not. Also I wonder if the Brotherhood and the Legion would even get into a fight in the first place, its not like the Brotherhood is going to be overly concerned with the Legion taking over the area as long as they leave them alone, and the Legion is probably not going to care about Helios either.

So a dude with 3 weeks training is 4x better than someone who's trained ever since he's been able to hold a weapon?

Bias.

Bias everywhere.

Legion would still use it. There is a Highway that runs throught the Mojave into NCR lands. It is the fastest way to send troops from Utah and Colorado into NCR. Since they can't go through the Divide. It may not be the main way the Legion would invade NCR but it would make sence to use it. One being what I already mentioned and second Mojave is full of people they can enslave. Legion would attack NCR using different ways "many pronged attack."

Legion will still send more then enought forces through the Mojave to deal with the BoS.

Where did I say that? Hmmm????

More like a soldier with a gun > a tribal in a skirt with a machete?
Against a power armored foe it doesn't really matter how much training you have if you're poorly armed.