I find the bias thing here to be quite funny, anytime anyone opposes a legion fan its bias.

NCR was poorly armed and they won against BoS. Now please explain to me how they can and the Legion can't. And please say something more intelligent then "they wear skirts."



Yeah but when someones entire case is "they wear skirts." One loses credibility.

Its just that RL comes first then ill believe what is stated in the game. COMMONSENSE IS GOLDEN.

All the NCR had was the numbers...

Well for one they are more experienced with fighting the BoS, they have proper weapons and they actually have a 'reason' to go after the BoS hell for leather, IMO the legion would be far FAR too late.
Or are we just assuming that the BoS would get the weapon working and then sit on their hands. No secondary defences, patrols etc.
I mean it's only elijah in command, the guy who in one of the endings conquers the dam world.. :S

This bias thing is rubbish, apparently its only the legion who can use tactics and 'think outside of the box'?

So between House's securitrons around the strip, the desert rangers everywhere and the BoS at Helios, yes, I feel quietly confident that the Legion would indeed just find another way around.

It would be totally horrible. CL knows very little about tech, so they never would have got the dam going. Most people don t want their wives and daughters to be passed around as six slaves, so almost everyone would have been killed by cl. Everyone but the bos.......

Once cl got near bos at helios bos would have destroyed them.

CL would have wanted none of the walking tanks that shoot lightning at them. So after the bos at helios killed about 20 000 cl they would have left.

CL isn t ncr. They don t have enough weapons that can even hurt pa.

They would have to get Ceasers personal gaurds and try to get them in helios to use ballistic fists. That is not their job, and getting them in there would be.......... difficult.

Ace, have you been here on the forums under the name "epicwin1" ?

Do you have something against skirts sir? Because it honestly seems you do. EVERY single argument is Armour > skirts. Sure, I mean, skirts don't offer you much pretection for your legs but they do give you mobility. Also, look at scotish people. They may be wearing skirts, sure but they're ridiculous in terms of how tough they are. BraveHeart anyone? I'm pretty sure if you made fun of his skirt, he'd kill you. And not in a nice, slow fashionable way either. He'd probably rip you appart limb from limb.

All that to say, men in skirts don't [censored] around.

and the Legion don't have numbers?

Legion would have more then enough to deal with the BoS because they would be free to run around in the Mojave. Legion will just send more and more troops. Legion have armies and BoS have a small chapter slowly dying out.

I hate to be the one who mentions this, but... Legion wouldn't have to kill a BoS Knight or Paladin, the NCR already has power armor. You know salvaged power armor.

I gotta say it would take a lot of mechete wielding Legionairs to take down someone in power armor. and if they had a minigun? ... You could mow down a thousand charging people with that thing. Gettysburg, WW 1. Both teach that automatic weapons are very efficient at killing lots of people.

I use the dergoatory term 'skirts' to represent my distaste for an apparent post apocalyptic superpower going up against heavily armed robots, extremely tough desert rangers and fricken walking tank paladins and people seem to actually think they'd just curbstomp the area..

Also I'm English, the Scottish aren't so tough. We've proved it many times

Yes understandable. But there going to get taken down more than the NCR did. They can keep on sending troops but by the time NCR arrives they will finish them off.

Legion troops would have no use of power armor; it would slow them down significantly. And the Legion does utilize firearms.

NCR' power amrour does not work. BoS lost to NCR's poorly armed common troops simply because they had more men then BoS had ammo. Seige warefare. Attrition. Most Likey it is how they won against Navarro and people in the most advanced PA the world had ever seen.

Inside that PA is a man. A man that needs to drink, eat, sleep and needs ammo. Cut him off from that and he his [censored].

Germans had the Best tech of WW2 and they lost. Very simple reason. Allies had far more men and stuff to throw at the Germans. Having the best toys does not always = victory.

You sir don't seem to see the point of this thread. It's if the NCR WAS NEVER IN THE MOJAVE. If the Legion got there first. Meaning NO NCR AROUND.

Also, no one goes into war head on head, brute force vs. brute force. Don't think you saw my post, go back and read it. Page 6, you'll understand how brute force isn't the only thing you need.

EDIT: Je m'excuse, page 6, we're on page 7, hehe

Yes they do but not everyone is equipped with one. Plus do you think a little cowboy repeater will penetrate BOS armor...no. The Centurions are the utmost armed but they dont have many of them. So they cant waste valuable Centurions on such a thing like that.

I believe his point was the legion could well have gotten their PA centurian parts from heavy ncr troops..

Ok, let's play lore for lore. Let's see those roman soldier-wanna-be's, taliban-style-women-slaving barbarians go invade east and try to take the capital wasteland ruins.
Half of them would probably die from radiation, the tough-can-beat-anything centurians will get chewed up after a few Super Mutant- Overlords, if they don't crap their pants from fear first, and yet the Brotherhood of Steel with roughly 200 members can somewhat contain the D.C. ruins.

Funk that.

Actually I understood it completely. I was trying to understand why they were argueing about where the Centurions got their armor.

Also I doubt the Legion and the BoS would have fought at all. Legion doesn't have any advanced technology, and BoS isn't a true threat to the Legion. I do think it would have been interesting to see how House handled the situation, maybe he would have started a slave trade with the Legion in exchange for the Dam.

Point of this debate is NCR is not in the picture. I am not doubting the BoS wouldn't kill a great deal of Legion but in the end the Legion will win because Legion have thousands more then BoS have. Legion arn't stupid. They will figure out all they have to do is cut off the BoS of food, water and ammo and keep them awake and in time all their fancy toys will be nothing but worthless papar waits. A tank can't fight without gas and ammo. A man in PA can't do much without water/food and ammo. That is now NCR won and it is how the Legion would win.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar%27s_Legion

Have a read. Also, this isn't about the east coast, that's a WHOLE other thread.

Do you even know what lore is.....? Because if your post is anything to go by, then I'd say it's a big fat NO.

Ah, all right. Also, Caeser even said he wants them eliminated. He does not like them one bit. They are of no use to him and pose somewhat a threat thus leading to him eliminating them completly.

One BoS scouts goes undercover, points the rangefinder at the legion command tent, bam.. Lots of scared [censored]less cl running home, quickly..

Oh I forgot to mention. Caesar forbids "chems" even normal ones like Radaway. LOL, they all die of radiation.