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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:00 am

Oh I forgot to mention. Caesar forbids "chems" even normal ones like Radaway. LOL, they all die of radiation.


You should probably look up what "lore" means, because right now you're just embarrassing yourself.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:13 am

Ah, all right. Also, Caeser even said he wants them eliminated. He does not like them one bit. They are of no use to him and pose somewhat a threat thus leading to him eliminating them completly.


I don't know, that's the BoS with the NCR and Mr. House as potential allies. Assuming Elija has control of Helios One, and Cesar has Vegas, the Khans and Zion under his control, he might decide just to ignore them. Even assuming Elija never activates Helios One, it is still something of a fortress, and a nightmare for an army lacking any form of artillery.

Oh yeah, and there's the Boomers, a much more potent threat. Without ther NCR and Mr. House, they might decide to expand out to lake mead to get to the bomber.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:43 pm

Oh I forgot to mention. Caesar forbids "chems" even normal ones like Radaway. LOL, they all die of radiation.


Do you even? No, just, wow.
1. You do realize radiation ISN'T EVERYWHERE in DC right?
2. Why would they even want to go to DC at the moment? They're attention is in the Mojave. After the Mojave, the rest of the west coast. After that maybe, but by that time radiation levels would have died down seeing as this war wouldn't last 2 weeks. It would last YEARS.

EDIT: To kdn.

The boomers don't pose a huge threat to Caeser as they don't want to kill him or his Legion as is. If they walk into their territory, sure maybe but as it stands no. Boomers can be left alone without any worries. BOS can't. Bos will probably find someway to attack Caeser because they won't like what he's doing/how powerful he is. They are a threat because of how dangerous they can be, because of the way they act/ think. Boombers aren't. They're passive and don't pose any threat unless provoked, wich Caeser is more then wise enough not to do.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:51 am

One BoS scouts goes undercover, points the rangefinder at the legion command tent, bam.. Lots of scared [censored]less cl running home, quickly..


Right after the Legate wrestles with Steve Austin. About as high change of happening.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:25 pm

and the Legion don't have numbers?

Legion would have more then enough to deal with the BoS because they would be free to run around in the Mojave. Legion will just send more and more troops. Legion have armies and BoS have a small chapter slowly dying out.

NCR has guns that can hurt pa. They also have guns that can lay devastating cover fire. CL cowboy repeater and hunting rifle, or 10mm pistol will not make bos paladins go into cover. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel............ With a gauss rifle. They would be 2 shoting cl recruits. bos has ranged weapons that will destroy stuff. Thet hit what the aim at. CL gets close??? Watch out for the tri beam. CL 20 single and caravan shot gun will not even phase pa. nor will. CL would have to bring a lot of centurions to put out enough cover fire to let the melee oriented soilders get closer.

CL MAIN PROBLEM RANGED WEAPONS, and NOT ENOUGH ROUNDS PER MINUTE.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:43 am

Right after the Legate wrestles with Steve Austin. About as high change of happening.


Why couldn't that happen? Oh I forget, only the legion can be covert, my bad..
Oops, we do actually see evidence of the BoS being all covert and scouty though ingame... :)
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:53 am

2. Why would they even want to go to DC at the moment?


Legion is a tribe that is bent on conquest, unending conquest. Caesar wants to use a city like Vegas to be his Rome, to make a nomadic tribe that swallows everything it consumes into a civilization that swallows everything it consumes. Caesar is a narcissist, he'll never stop and say OK, that's enough after he hs control of evey inch of the NCR.

But folllowing lore as is in the Fallout universe, the entire Legion wouldn't be able to handle the radiation and Super Mutants+Overlords simply because numbers can't do it and neither can a law that forbids Radaway or even Rad-X.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:37 am

Legion is a tribe that is bent on conquest, unending conquest. Caesar wants to use a city like Vegas to be his Rome, to make a nomadic tribe that swallows everything it consumes into a civilization that swallows everything it consumes. Caesar is a narcissist, he'll never stop and say OK, that's enough after he hs control of evey inch of the NCR.

But folllowing lore as is in the Fallout universe, the entire Legion wouldn't be able to handle the radiation and Super Mutants+Overlords simply because numbers can't do it and neither can a law that forbids Radaway or even Rad-X.


Like I've said before Caeser does not want DC AT THE MOMENT. No, he'll take the west coast first and then move on. This would take years seeing as he'd have to wage a war against the NCR in order to do so. He may not even win but lets say he does.

So Caeser wins, years and years later and decides hey, the west coast seems nice and goes on his mission to take it over. He finds DC. By this time the radiation levels have died down quite a bit ( radiation does go away, I do hope you know that), Mutants would have been hunted down by the BOS and killed. Leaving few in DC. Caesers biggest threat in DC wouldn't be the radiation or even the mutants, no, it would be the BOS.

Anyways, I'm gonna sleep, I'm tired. I'll get back to this tomorow morning possibly or after school/work.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:17 am

NCR has guns that can hurt pa. They also have guns that can lay devastating cover fire. CL cowboy repeater and hunting rifle, or 10mm pistol will not make bos paladins go into cover. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel............ With a gauss rifle. They would be 2 shoting cl recruits. bos has ranged weapons that will destroy stuff. Thet hit what the aim at. CL gets close??? Watch out for the tri beam. CL 20 single and caravan shot gun will not even phase pa. nor will. CL would have to bring a lot of centurions to put out enough cover fire to let the melee oriented soilders get closer.

CL MAIN PROBLEM RANGED WEAPONS, and NOT ENOUGH ROUNDS PER MINUTE.


If you wanna go by gameplay, then the Legion have the exact same weapons the NCR does.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:39 pm

Why couldn't that happen? Oh I forget, only the legion can be covert, my bad..
Oops, we do actually see evidence of the BoS being all covert and scouty though ingame... :)


No but the rangefinder never happened.

EDIT- My bad, should have edited this one into my first post.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:25 pm

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar%27s_Legion

Have a read. Also, this isn't about the east coast, that's a WHOLE other thread.

Yes says any weakness of the battlefield is unexceptable. That is why cl is unexcepable. BOS at helios are not some tribals. They have armour that cl can not penetrate, and weapons cl can t even explain.

No stims or drugs? lol I hope they bring a couple semi loads of healing powder, because the bos at helios will be racking up BIG kills.

100 bos paladins in a defensive position will kill 25 000 mixed cl with no problem. 6 British S.A.S killed over 200 iraqi soilders before Desert Storm started. Bos will be to cl what the S.A.S. was to Iraqi grunts
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:22 am

S.A.S. = BoS Hoo Hah

Helllll yehhah
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:30 pm

Yes says any weakness of the battlefield is unexceptable. That is why cl is unexcepable. BOS at helios are not some tribals. They have armour that cl can not penetrate, and weapons cl can t even explain.

No stims or drugs? lol I hope they bring a couple semi loads of healing powder, because the bos at helios will be racking up BIG kills.

100 bos paladins in a defensive position will kill 25 000 mixed cl with no problem. 6 British S.A.S killed over 200 iraqi soilders before Desert Storm started. Bos will be to cl what the S.A.S. was to Iraqi grunts


You're severely underestimating the Legion.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:56 pm

I believe his point was the legion could well have gotten their PA centurian parts from heavy ncr troops..

Ceaser says they captured brotherhood scribes farther east. He goes into no detail about it, but it is possible that they have killed bos of some sort.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:01 pm

Ceaser says they captured brotherhood scribes farther east. He goes into no detail about it, but it is possible that they have killed bos of some sort.


They have.

And why is it that no one on these forums can spell "Caesar" correctly?
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:30 pm

You're severely underestimating the Legion.


dude you massively over-estimate the legion in almost every thread.
The ncr have previous experience fighting the BoS.
Hell we don't even see that Helios battle ingame so for all we know, some scout encountered BoS, radio'd for backup and a while later some heavily armed troops rolled up, packing pulse grenades.

THIS comes with the advantage of prior experience, something that the legion have none, let alone anything to actually take on the brotherhood.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:47 am

dude you massively over-estimate the legion in almost every thread.
The ncr have previous experience fighting the BoS.
Hell we don't even see that Helios battle ingame so for all we know, some scout encountered BoS, radio'd for backup and a while later some heavily armed troops rolled up, packing pulse grenades.

THIS comes with the advantage of prior experience, something that the legion have none, let alone anything to actually take on the brotherhood.


Saying that the Legion have no knowledge or experience regarding the BoS would be na?ve. We don't know their entire history or experiences.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:36 pm

You're severely underestimating the Legion.

I look at the game. The game tells me cl is a very large army with very no tech, and very little ranged weapons. I think you are seriously over estimating cl.

They fought 1 real battle and lost. Bos are not tribals. I don t care if cl slaughtered 100000000000000000000 tribals. 1 bos paladin in a defensive position with a gauss rifle is equal to 10 tribes. Not 10 tribals, but 10 tribes.

I got bos down at the dam once. The part they were defending cl didn t make it out of the door. The door opened and it was all ashes and cl bodies. Did not get out of the door..... DEAD
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:21 pm

Saying that the Legion have no knowledge or experience regarding the BoS would be na?ve. We don't know their entire history or experiences.


We know the legion conquers tribals.
We know the ncr has had/is in a full scale war with the BoS.

But yeah sure, 'pretend' that the legion is just as proficient at killing the BoS of steel as you apparently think they are with everyone.. :sadvaultboy:
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:06 pm

I look at the game. The game tells me cl is a very large army with very no tech, and very little ranged weapons. I think you are seriously over estimating cl.

They fought 1 real battle and lost. Bos are not tribals. I don t care if cl slaughtered 100000000000000000000 tribals. 1 bos paladin in a defensive position with a gauss rifle is equal to 10 tribes. Not 10 tribals, but 10 tribes.

I got bos down at the dam once. The part they were defending cl didn t make it out of the door. The door opened and it was all ashes and cl bodies. Did not get out of the door..... DEAD


Lol, gameplay. Classic. And Lol at the notion of 1 paladin equating to 10 tribes.


We know the legion conquers tribals.
We know the ncr has had/is in a full scale war with the BoS.

But yeah sure, 'pretend' that the legion is just as proficient at killing the BoS of steel as you apparently think they are with everyone.. :sadvaultboy:


See, now you're putting words in my mouth. Stop that please. I know one thing about the Legion and that's that they don't go into battle without knowing their enemies and exploiting their options first.

Example: Searchlight.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:51 pm

Lol, gameplay. Classic. And Lol at the notion of 1 paladin equating to 10 tribes.


You're a lore fan I think. Look up T51b power armor, then look up BoS Paladin.

When you add these two components you end up with a LOT of dead enemies, I could easily envisage ONE paladin taking down whole tribes solo.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:43 am

You're a lore fan I think. Look up T51b power armor, then look up BoS Paladin.

When you add these two components you end up with a LOT of dead enemies, I could easily envisage ONE paladin taking down whole tribes solo.


So you could easily envision a single paladin taking down the Great Khans multiplied by 10?
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:45 pm

They have.

And why is it that no one on these forums can spell "Caesar" correctly?

We had a discussion about it in fo universe. Ceaser dosen t go into detail, and if it was mid west bos they basically have a slave army too.

Personally I think they had to have killed pa bos soilders to capture scribes, but others that know mid west bos say no. So with Ceaser not going into detail we really have no idea how they were able to capture scribes.
If cl tangled big time with mid west bos we would know it I would hope.
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:02 pm

So you could easily envision a single paladin taking down the Great Khans multiplied by 10?


No, but then again the great Khans actually have weapons and are pretty good at ambush tactics etc.
Now tribes like the blackfoots and the other ridiculous tribes out there, yes, they wouldn't even be able to harm a paladin..
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Post » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:52 am

I still think that the BoS is not the biggest problem for a Legion controlled Vegas. The Boomers would be one hell of an obstacle. Without the NCR they might decide to take Vegas for themselves. At that point anyone trying to take that town would be up a well known creek without a paddle.

Then again maybe they wouldn't leave Nellis, still one hell of a tought net to crack. Numbers would be irrelevent against their artillery.
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